Chinese court finds Gionee guilty of planting malware on more than 20 million units
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Robert, 06 Dec 2020Say no to Motorola, Huawei, Oppo, OnePlus, Xiaomi, Realme, ... moreHow about Asus?
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Anonymous, 06 Dec 2020This is what comes to my mind when people praise Xiaomi all... moreHow about realme, i started to love realme
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Robert, 06 Dec 2020Say no to Motorola, Huawei, Oppo, OnePlus, Xiaomi, Realme, ... moreOps you forgot Gionee.
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Say no to Motorola, Huawei, Oppo, OnePlus, Xiaomi, Realme, Vivo, Meizu, ZTE, Alcatel, Ulefone, BLU. These are all the brands that are backed by the same gov.
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Anonymous, 05 Dec 2020Why I won't purchase Chinese phones Unfortunately, their phones are also rebranded for various non-Chinese companies so you might still not be safe.
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Mythi, 06 Dec 2020There is always a trade off for how cheap something is. If ... moreA trade-off, POCO userd can't conprehend,
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Crackling Doom, 05 Dec 2020Yes, because every Chinese company does the same. How do... moreI will answer for him: SAFE! As for your claim, most probably for you, to pass gases in public, is an extremist action.
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Shiny Dave, 06 Dec 2020What gets me is that they literally made $2.9m profit from ... moreOj, you tought Samesung is better, i mean really? Is that why they push ads and bloatware on all of their devices? Oh is a freandly move... check!
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Well, China should start with the "giants"... there is no difference.
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There is always a trade off for how cheap something is. If it's free you're the product, if it's too cheap it's likely compromised.
It's simple, you get what you pay for.
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Anonymous, 05 Dec 2020Why I won't purchase Chinese phones Every phone are Chinese made anyway... And if you use Google Android, Amazon Echo, install Facebook/Google on your phone, you're being badly tracked anyway, they monetise from a "legal" way... Which you can't take them to court easily.
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Crackling Doom, 05 Dec 2020Yes, because every Chinese company does the same.
How do... moreIt indeed depends.
Gionee is mostly a China only brand that has little to no market in EU/US, so they will get away easier with malware.
Xiaomi on the other hand would not especially because they are very active on the EU market, so for them more "legal" ways like ads and data hoarding are the way to go.
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MrHong, 06 Dec 2020This is why you need to be cautious of buying Chinese smart... moreThis is what comes to my mind when people praise Xiaomi all the time.
Xiaomi makes great phones, and while they do not install malware (or at least not that we know) there is always a price behind a too cheap phone.
It's not like in the past of with bigger brands that a cheaper phone is cheap because they cut down on stuff like screen, SoC, storage and so on, if a phone is too good to be true price wise it really is so, no matter if it is because of ads, agressive data collection or even malware.
But people prefer to be blind, they prefer to buy that stuff because it is cheap and thus these practice will never stop, they will even get worse by the time.
(again I am not claiming Xiaomi installs malware, there is no proof for that, but their phones are still cheap for a REASON. And this goes for most if not all chinese brands)
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Kostolac, 05 Dec 2020it's good while doing it with phones. it will be dange... moreI hate it when I get ads in my vaxines.
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This is why you need to be cautious of buying Chinese smartphones. While all phones do not have full privacy, malware is even more agressive in data collection.
TCL, Infinix, and Alcatel also installed malware previously to force users into paid subscription.
Samsungs, iPhones, Sony and LGs are the safest bet.
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What gets me is that they literally made $2.9m profit from this for over 20m phones. That's about $0.15 per phone!
I would pay a lot more than that in extra costs to avoid that kind of malpractice (and indeed do, by purchasing Samsung devices over much more bang-per-buck China phones).
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- 05 Dec 2020
Wait, Gio who ?
And this, guys, is exactly why I advocate for privacy, because there are such kinds of thing happening.
It has nothing to do with someone laughing at you through the front facing camera while you are watching adult things, reading your SMS with your crush as bedtime stories, selling localization data to ads to make few pennies...
It is about industries having no limits and no ethic as to what they'll do to milk money out of you in any way they can, even if it means selling information you didn't know your camera was pointed at when you opened X or Y app who took a which shot at it and selling it to the biggest offer.
Telling apart which ethnic group you belong to, just yesterday, there was yet another privacy scandal new about how Facebook refused jobs to US citizens and prioritized immigrants to give the job, because it isn't just non-whites or non US born peoples who are targeted by unethical ethic bias, it works on the other way too, no one is safe from that.
> https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/facebook-new-approach-hate-speech
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/03/technology/facebook-hiring-discrimination-suit.html
This is why privacy isn't just a totally ignorable detail.
It is also because government can use it as a tool by literally silencing some people, and if you think this is crazy, entire cities have already been cut off of the internet for that :
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/global-5
Privacy is also about protecting yourself against identity thieves, just some quotes from this website :
https://www.identityforce.com/blog/identity-theft-odds-identity-theft-statistics
*"In 2019, 14.4 million consumers became victims of identity fraud — that’s about 1 in 15 people"
*"Overall, 33 percent of U.S. adults have experienced identity theft, which is more than twice the global average"
*"Over 1 million children in the U.S. were victims of identity theft in 2017, costing families $540 million in out-of-pocket expenses"
*"Identity theft is the most common consequence of a data breach, occurring 65% of the time"
*"Emotional distress is reported by 77.3 percent of identity theft victims"
Things can get serious !
https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do/crime-threats/kidnap-and-extortion/sextortion-webcam-blackmail
https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/how-long-can-the-effects-of-identity-theft-last/
All those aren't just simple paranoia or someone who fear a hacker will laugh at him through his laptop/phone camera, those are really serious things that happen daily and are a direct consequence of the lack of privacy, and we are only just scratching the surface here, it is surprisingly cheap to ruin someone's life.
The scariest part is that you could literally have done no wrong, keep your private data to yourself and in "private" setting on websites who require them but can keep them hidden from other members, but just a single website having them stored and deciding it is worth the risk to sell some of them, and you could end up having to spend months proving you are yourself, it could even end up by you being considered as the identity thief.
So if for you this is just a detail, or despite daily occurrences it is just a paranoia conspiracy theory crazy thing, I am sorry but you aren't living in the reality.
Privacy isn't something we can solve in a single blow, we need to target every way it is threaten, this includes front camera, microphones, localization, access to clipboard and many more things.
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Crackling Doom, 05 Dec 2020Yes, because every Chinese company does the same.
How do... moreXaoimi did bake ads into their phone didn't they
And you can go ahead and purchase Chinese phones man
To each his own
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- 05 Dec 2020
I guess the Chinese government has to make an example out of someone every now and then to make it look like they aren't totally corrupt. I'll bet they demanded a piece of the pie from Gionee in exchange for that slap on the wrist.