Valve Steam Deck is a handheld gaming PC that runs SteamOS

15 July 2021
Runs custom AMD APU with Zen 2 CPU and RDNA 2 GPU. Starts at $399.

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  • Anonymous

Vegetaholic, 20 Jul 2021At last, Switch killer, is what we needed in handheld space... moreThe first requirement to be a challenger is to sell at retail.

  • Tonyfromdowntheway

Vegetaholic, 20 Jul 2021At last, Switch killer, is what we needed in handheld space... moreFor it to be a switch killer it would have to play nintendo games. You cant kill a nintendo system with this. The market this is going into is against laptops. So no its not a "Switch killer" and its rather stupid to think a pc gaming machine is going to make nintendo sweat.

At last, Switch killer, is what we needed in handheld space absolite beast

Fulljack, 20 Jul 2021really? I just watch a video some guy running Cyberpunk 207... moreman always link your source, i had to search youtube now ryzen 5300u play cyberpunk in this video around 19 to 21fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7-lBdckAbc&t=450s

in same video he tested doom eternal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7-lBdckAbc&t=270s
stable 40fps sometime it reach over 50fps.

so you see at same hardware cyberpunk is heavy we can barely get 20fps in mainstream cpu, while consistenly we get 40 to 50fps in doom eternal.

Hemedans, 20 Jul 2021That is true for almost any game, don't forget you are... morereally? I just watch a video some guy running Cyberpunk 2077 on HP laptop using Ryzen 3 5300U. so it's not heavy games after all, huh

Fulljack, 20 Jul 2021just set the graphics on high and 1080p and it'll lag ... moreThat is true for almost any game, don't forget you are in deck vs switch discussion, that game run on 540P or 720p (docked) in switch, so why should we judge it if it's heavy by using 1080p standard?

But in other way Cyberpunk even in 720p won't run.

Hemedans, 20 Jul 2021Show me Doom eternal lag on zen 2 or tiger lake Cpu, htt... morejust set the graphics on high and 1080p and it'll lag easily.

Fulljack, 20 Jul 2021because it's as irrelevant and as arbitrary as your de... moreShow me Doom eternal lag on zen 2 or tiger lake Cpu,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O9AhoNfqDFE&vl=en

That's ryzen 4500u 50 to 60fps,

If you don't trust my source bring yours.

Hemedans, 20 Jul 2021So now you include recent desktop class Gpu and cpu which i... morebecause it's as irrelevant and as arbitrary as your definition of heavy games.

I mean Doom Eternal still could lag on on the laptops that you said couldn't handle Cyberpunk 2077. So Doom Eternal is a heavy games or not?

I'm just using your argument against your logic, really.

Fulljack, 20 Jul 2021it's because the limitation of GPU, not the CPU. I thi... moreSo now you include recent desktop class Gpu and cpu which is gaming desktop in switch and deck discussion? How is that relevant?

And it doesn't matter if it's gpu heavy or cpu heavy as long as it doesn't run well on mainstream machines that can be heavy.

Hemedans, 19 Jul 2021Cyberpunk 2077 is good example of our time. Even Latest Cor... moreit's because the limitation of GPU, not the CPU. I think you need to understand the difference of such and the workload that shared between the two. also Vega 8 and Xe-LP are for eSports, AAA gaming it's shit.

according to your logic, Cyberpunk 2077 isn't heavy game too because a Ryzen 5 1600 with RX 5600XT could ran that shit, too. sorry, your argument are invalid with yourself kek.

Fulljack, 19 Jul 2021cool argument, example of such games?Cyberpunk 2077 is good example of our time. Even Latest Core i5/i7 from Tiger lake struggle to run it, and ryzen 4500u (same architecture as deck) cant reach 30fps.

Hemedans, 19 Jul 2021It doesn't matter if it's optimized or not, as lo... morecool argument, example of such games?

Anonymous, 19 Jul 2021I don't think that you can run most Switch games at fu... moreMost games Are playable Xbox 360 and ps3,

My rig has i7 4790, gt 1030 and 12gb ram (deck is more powerful than my rig) and I can play my favorites jrpg like lost Odysses and ffxiii without a problem, also these new handheld like onexplayer, gpd etc can handle 360 and ps3 emulation somehow.

This Apu can operate as low as 4W, no need to go 15W, around 2 to 3ghz you can get enough perfomance to run most of games without producing much heat and drawing more power. Let's wait for reviews first, all these speculations will end.

  • Anonymous

GyariSan, 19 Jul 2021For the people who purchase it’s not stupid at all. Let’s s... moreI said that it's stupid to buy this device to mainly play 2D games. Most of the things you listed are irrelevant to what I said. The Switch games are also discounted regularly. You can check it. It's much different from the past. Most 2D games don't have online play. The Nintendo eShop works. It goes under maintenance from time to time, but most of the time, it works. Connecting a controller kind of defeats the purpose of a handheld device. It's dumb to connect it to a TV/monitor to use it as a PC. I'm sure that everyone who is going to buy this device has a decent PC. Why buy this to use it as a weaker PC? I mean, yes, you can do that if you want, but it will serve no purpose for most people. 2D games won't require grip buttons and track pads. I don't see why you'll use a mouse to play 2D games.

In my opinion, this device will be most useful if you use it to play AAA games, and that's my point. If you mainly play AAA games, the battery life may only last for 2 hours, which is way too short. It won't be fun to be able to only have fun for 2 hours per session.

  • Anonymous

Hemedans, 19 Jul 2021Many switch games are playable with yuzu and Ryujinx so yes... moreI don't think that you can run most Switch games at full speed on this device. It's a very powerful handheld device, but it's still quite weak compared to latest desktop PCs.

The Switch can't play PS2, PS3, and Xbox 360 games. Isn't is obvious? I didn't say this because I thought it was a rhetorical question. Also, as I said, it's beside the point. My point is about the battery life. It's you who brought emulation up. Emulation of not-so-old games requires a lot of processing power, though. So the battery life may only last for 2 hours when you emulate those games on this device.

Anyway, I don't follow the emulation communities for years. Can you emulate PS3 and Xbox 360 games at full speed now? A few years ago, you can't.

  • Anonymous

Hemedans, 18 Jul 2021Show me laptop or any device with 4 core and 8 thread cpu a... moreHmm how about a brand new ps5 or Xbox series x.
They can destroy this piece of shit.

Fulljack, 19 Jul 2021oh so your definition of heavy games are unoptimized piece ... moreIt doesn't matter if it's optimized or not, as long as latest hardware can't handle it that's heavy game.

Anonymous, 18 Jul 2021In my opinion, it's stupid to buy this console to main... moreFor the people who purchase it’s not stupid at all. Let’s see (just from top of my head):

1.) PC games are cheaper and have more regular discounts.
2.) Online gaming is free, instead of having to pay monthly subscription.
3.) Store(s) actually works, unlike the ridiculous lagging hell that is the Nintendo e-store.
4.) Ability to install mods.
5.) Better range of both AAA and indie games.
6.) Can connect to any brand of gaming controllers via BT to play both single & co-op.
7.) Can run emulators to play older PS, Xbox & Nintendo games.
8.) Can install Windows.
9.) Can connect to TV or Monitor to be used as a PC.
10.) Can install flick stick to take advantage of gyro for FPS games.
11.) Back buttons and track pad for wider range of input.
12.) Mouse support.
13.) More games will support AMD FidelityFX
14.) Full sized thumb stick

Etc.

Basically, for $50 more than Switch, the Deck basic model (which is expandable with memory card) has not only much more power, but can do everything that the Switch can do and a lot more. It’s bulky I agree, but it’s far from a stupid purchase for the targeted audience.

Anonymous, 19 Jul 2021Most Wii U games are ported to the Switch. So yes, you can ... moreMany switch games are playable with yuzu and Ryujinx so yes you can play switch games in this console. What about ps2, ps3 and Xbox 360? I see you keep ignoring them.