The Amazon Appstore will support Android App Bundles soon
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[deleted post]What choice do I have? Well, same as on Android genius. Apple has monopoly on their own devices (that's like complaining BMW has monopoly over car engines in their cars because they only use own BMW engines). And Google has monopoly on everything that runs Android. Where it's a legit monopoly. That would be like enforcing every car maker in existence to use Renault engines and nothing else. Would you like a BMW with a Renault engine? And Audi with Renault engine? And VW with Renault engine? And Subaru with Renault engine? That's how monopoly looks like on Android.
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Anonymous, 19 Jul 2021You said this: "Without good compression, you're ... moreAnd when you do, it'll take same amount of data to transfer, it'll just do it some other time and not on app install time. What have you just done? Delayed the inevitable. You know, you can compress all 50 modules genius. It seems it is you who doesn't understand it. Heh.
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Anonymous, 19 Jul 2021No, it's not. Monopoly means that there is only one ch... moreIt seems you don't understand it. What "choice" do you have with Android smartphones when 100% of them comes with Google preinstalled from the store? Google isn't majority player, it's monopolistic player when it comes to phone OS. There isn't even an easy way to entirely kill/remove Google stuff. It's always just there and only way to do it is absurdly overcomplicated bootloader unlocking and use of questionable custom ROM's. Aka, not really a choice. With Apple, the choice is not using it. With Android, you can't just choose Samsung over Google's own Pixel. Or Nokia over HTC. They ALL without exception have Google stuff installed by default. Huawei isn't included because it's irrelevant at this point, with or without Gapps.
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AnonD-1003038, 19 Jul 2021Why you keep presuming I don't understand lol? And wha... moreYou said this: "Without good compression, you're just delaying the same amount of data." This is false. It clearly shows that you didn't understand the purpose of modularity. Compression and modularity are two different things. As I explained, if a user uses only a few features of a modular app, only the necessary modules will be downloaded, so it can save a lot of storage space. It's not just delaying. If a user only uses 2 features of an app that has 50 features, the other 48 modules will never be downloaded and installed.
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AnonD-1003038, 19 Jul 2021But having GooglePlay on every single phone without excepti... moreNo, it's not. Monopoly means that there is only one choice, so you can't choose another choice even if you want to because there are no other choices. Some people don't understand the meaning of this word. It has nothing to do with what the majority people choose. As long as there are choices, it's not monopoly.
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Anonymous, 19 Jul 2021You probably don't understand the purpose of modularit... moreWhy you keep presuming I don't understand lol? And what happens if you compress every "modular" module with better compression than ZIP's Deflate? SMALLER SIZE. Even for individual modules. Would you look at that! Especially since most of package content are scripts and other bits of code which are generally highly compressible.
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Anonymous, 19 Jul 2021Do you even understand what monopoly means? It means exclus... moreBut having GooglePlay on every single phone without exception, that somehow isn't monopoly. Pretending eveyone just sideloads apps from god knows where is just delusional. 99% of Android phone users get apps from GooglePlay and nowhere else.
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AnonD-1003038, 19 Jul 2021Sideloading apps is NOT an ecosystem feature. It's an ... moreDo you even understand what monopoly means? It means exclusive control of a product or service. If the only choice to install apps is through the Google Play Store, then it's monopoly. But if you can use third-party stores or download and install APK files, it's not monopoly because you have choices.
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AnonD-1003038, 19 Jul 2021Without good compression, you're just delaying the sam... moreYou probably don't understand the purpose of modularity. With modularity, necessary modules will be downloaded when they are needed. Most users don't use every feature of an app. For example, you may make an app for buying/selling products on an online market place. Some users will only be buyers, which means that the Sell module will never be downloaded. Some users will only be sellers, which means that the Buy module will never be downloaded. Only some users will be both buyers and sellers.
If your app has 10 feature modules, and a user only uses 3 features of your apps, only 3 modules will be downloaded, so the installation size will be kept at minimum.
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Anonymous, 18 Jul 2021You missed the modularity part probably on purpose.Without good compression, you're just delaying the same amount of data. Maybe you ignored something on purpose...
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Anonymous, 18 Jul 2021You can install APK files, so I don't understand what ... moreSideloading apps is NOT an ecosystem feature. It's an OS feature.
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AnonD-1003038, 18 Jul 2021The monopoly where phones without Google's ecosystem b... moreYou can install APK files, so I don't understand what you mean by monopoly.
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AnonD-1003038, 17 Jul 2021Deflate is pretty old (and shit) compression compared to LZ... moreYou missed the modularity part probably on purpose.
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Anonymous, 17 Jul 2021What monopoly?The monopoly where phones without Google's ecosystem bolted on top of Android AOSP are pretty useless and barebones and you can't actually buy one in any store that doesn't come with Google's stuff. They all have it pre-installed. Also, Android "ecosystem" doesn't actually exist without Google's stuff because there just isn't any "ecosystem" then. It's just OS that you sideload apps on. Imagine removing all Apple services from iOS. No App Store, no Music service, no Maps service, no iCloud services, no Siri, just iOS as an OS. It would also be pretty dumb OS with very limited functionality and essentially no ecosystem as well. Google has the same monopoly over Android ecosystem as Apple has with their ecosystem over on iPhones. Only difference is, Apple is doing it on their own devices only and you're willingly picking their product and their solutions. On Android devices, it's just Google or Google and it doesn't matter if you buy Nokia, HTC, Realme, OnePlus, Samsung, Xiaomi or Google's own Pixel phones. They all come with Google stuff bolted on top whether you like it or not.
You can technically unlock the phones and install one of community developed ROM's without also installing Gapps, but then you're essentially turning your super useful and advanced smartphone for 1000€ into a very smart brick with bunch of limitations and technical issues like apps whining over unlocked bootloader which you can't lock back if you're using 3rd party ROM (with exception of GrapheneOS on Pixels specifically). I did so once as I wanted to get rid of Google and there was so many limitations and problems with usability it just wasn't worth the effort.
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John, 17 Jul 2021It can be open source by name but still have the Google mon... moreWhat monopoly?
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Anonymous, 17 Jul 2021Isn't android still open source with the Android Open ... moreIt can be open source by name but still have the Google monopoly behind the scenes.
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Anonymous, 17 Jul 2021It's not the compression that's making the AAB sm... moreDeflate is pretty old (and shit) compression compared to LZMA2. It does matter too.
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AnonD-1003038, 16 Jul 2021Well, so far they were basically just using renamed ZIP arc... moreDid you even read the article?
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Hello Life, 17 Jul 2021No the reason is not for blocking. With APK, the problem wa... moreIsn't android still open source with the Android Open Source Project, what's stop third-party OEMs from using there own package manager along with their own app stores?
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Anonymous, 17 Jul 2021>Don’t think so since google and Microsoft are not frien... moreNo the reason is not for blocking. With APK, the problem was.. google services weren't needed.. so you can just make a 3rd party app store and put APKs and you won't have to pay a single penny as revenue to google. Huawei is doing this in their harmony OS. With Google App bundles.. google services key mapping is included inside the app package. so google services are mandatory for 3rd party app stores in micro level. So even when 3rd party stores are putting app bundles, google is earning revenue as well as cut from micro transactions inside the app. So for example, if you purchase UC inside PUBG made for android platform from amazon store in a completely different OS, google will earn out of it.