Xiaomi Mi Mix 4 to launch with MIUI 12.5, company's PR confirms

31 July 2021
MIUI 13 still needs more polishing.

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AnonD-909757, 01 Aug 2021Well actually then pop up is not expensive at all, some cla... moreAlso I hate holes and notches, think it is totally idiotic thing to do, especially since I now own phone with hole, it is as bad as i thought it would be.

And yes, everyone I know thought popup camera on my previous phone was pretty cool.

So only one reason why it is so widely used remains.
Well apart from the cost, only reason I can think of not to have pop up is people using selfie cam being ashamed of it, but it is not like without pop up it is not obvious.

Also when you are at it, I do not think all phone screens need to be black mirror, reflection handling can be much better, and it even was in the past, so again, people don't care and black mirror is cheaper because economy of scale.

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    • 01 Aug 2021

    AnonD-909757, 01 Aug 2021Well actually then pop up is not expensive at all, some cla... moreWhy? Clearly on cheaper build more expensive phone you make more profit then on phone that costs more to build and you sell it cheaper.

    In your world the companies are stupid and leaving the profit on the market because that is not their goal. Weird.
    Well there might be incentive that data provided from hidden camera provides more profit then selling phones. I would argue data from mics are more valuable
    But if there is no oem you can buy that pop up mechanism, i don't think it is cheap as you claim, might be in theory, not in reality.

    Does not make sense if you have this market advantage with screen with no hole that people love, why would you leave that be and go for the hole. Maybe because most people will buy the phone anyway and it is cheaper to make, does not make sense otherwise.

    Same with UD fingerprint, it is worse in every way then fingerprint on the back or sides, so only reason to use it must be it is massively cheaper. Which is only cheaper and cheaper as everyone is using it.

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      • 01 Aug 2021

      Evlo, 01 Aug 2021I would guess popup si more expensive, more components, und... moreWell actually then pop up is not expensive at all, some claim that the reasons why the Mi 9t Pro, K20 Pro, K30 Pro and Poco F2 Pro did sell well was because of its low price and not because of the fulldisplay, and at the same time say the pop up is expensive, you are yourself guilty of this right here.
      Not only those phones are (were, as they are now rarer and the price has inflated) among the cheapest phones with their SoC, but there are quite a few phones with pop up in the 100-200€/$ range.
      It is a really simple mechanism which cost next to nothing and the R&D is really simple, less known OEMs were quick to adopt it.

      UDC on the other hand was supposed to release years ago, and was under research longer than that, one can only imagine the ridiculous amount of R&D cost it wasted, mainly considering it is an overhyped thing, meaning it is heavily researched.
      It is costly to manufacture (punch holes and notches are much more expensive than normal displays including pop ups, even now that their cost have decreased significantly, the UDC is even more complicated), and the UDC don't require artistic quality, it only needs to acquire data.
      UDC is actually 3 parts, the display, the camera, and the software which is the most important part.

      All the Xiaomi phones with pop up, along with the OnePlus 7(t) Pro were sold in quite substantial amount of numbers.

      Take a look at Kimovil, which unlike GSMArena don't do news, meaning the "top trending phones" aren't influenced by direct clicks from the latest articles.
      The Poco F2 Pro is alongside the iPhone 12 Pro in the Bestseller category, the K30 Pro and OnePlus 7 Pro are just behind, and prior to the top categories changes (for the moment satisfaction and most popular don't work anymore), the K30 Pro/Poco F2 Pro, OnePlus 7(t) Pro and K20 Pro/Mi 9t Pro were often in the top 20 in user satisfaction and most popular.

      So the pop up was clearly loved and had no issues.
      It was killed by the hatred of people it wasn't even interfering with.

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        • 01 Aug 2021

        Anonymous, 01 Aug 2021You could use it for the next ten years with custom roms an... moreI bought it few months ago, and it was ONLY because I found it at a price equal to which I could sell my OnePluys 6t, otherwise I was already considering it slightly outdated for buying it new.
        And I am comfortable with MIUI even though I use Xiaomi eu over the stock.

        So, no, I won't do that, and I shouldn't have to, a market where there are no options for anyone who want something else that the extremely limited mainstream in products with near limitless diversity capabilities is an awful market, and I won't accept that.
        And considering that it is the community's fault, I target the root of the issue.

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          • 01 Aug 2021

          kiasunkiasi, 01 Aug 2021"why would I care about something whose only potential... moreThat's where the arrogance of people into trending stuff is, we are MANY to want the same thing.
          Oh, of course people who want X or Y alternatives only represent a small part of the overall market, but then again, the Smartphone industry is the ONLY ONE where niches aren't covered, on any other markets, there are big companies making everything from mainstream to niches as well as companies that only do niche products, and it is really profitable.

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            • 01 Aug 2021

            AnonD-909757, 01 Aug 2021Dude, this is LITERALLY what pop up does with the front cam... moreI would guess popup si more expensive, more components, under display is is most likely just variation of finger UD print reader (which is worse in every way then normal one still and why apple face id in the end makes sense) so it is just one component. Same reason for notch / hole - it is cheaper and people en masse still buy it, so why do something more expensive if you still get the sales. I guess xiaomi also found out poco f2 and mi 9t did not sold more then other models without popup and they get rid of it because of that reason.

            Shame, but real.

            I went from pop up to hole, it is about a year and i hate the hole.

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              • 01 Aug 2021

              We don't even know when Google will officially launch Android 12.

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                • 01 Aug 2021

                I personally care about the quality of the cameras a lot more than about having a notch.

                If placing the camera under the display compromises the quality of the photos it takes, even a little, then I'd rather have a notch. Others may feel differently, of course.

                I am a big fan of secure face unlock though.

                MIUI 12.5 is as close as Android gets to iOS, adopting the best of both worlds. I like it.

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                  • 01 Aug 2021

                  AnonD-909757, 01 Aug 2021I own its newer brother, the Poco F2 Pro, and I won't ... moreYou could use it for the next ten years with custom roms and battery replacements.

                    AnonD-909757, 31 Jul 2021Where did you read that I have any f*** to give about video... more"why would I care about something whose only potential use is for something I don't even do?"

                    phone manufacturers are not going to launch a new model just for you alone

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                      • 01 Aug 2021

                      Anonymous, 01 Aug 2021I hope you realize you cannot have mechanical shutter just ... moreDude, this is LITERALLY what pop up does with the front camera and what the Oppo Find X did with both Front AND main cameras.
                      Same for this for front cameras :
                      https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088TL29VL
                      This for main cameras :
                      https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71tpdL4J5+S._AC_SX522_.jpg
                      This for both :
                      https://spy-fy.com/product/iphone-12-mini-privacy-case/

                      There are tons of ways that don't take any relevant amount of space or weight to do all this.

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                        • Anonymous
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                        • 01 Aug 2021

                        AnonD-909757, 31 Jul 2021On laptop and tablets it isn't embedded inside the dis... moreI hope you realize you cannot have mechanical shutter just to "close " the hole.
                        On 📷, it covers the sensors when lens is removed, you cant force it to remain shut all the time.
                        Also, phones do not have space for it.
                        And it adds weight.

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                          • 01 Aug 2021

                          Chip, 01 Aug 2021I own the Mi 9T Pro, which has the pop-up type cam. I so lo... moreI own its newer brother, the Poco F2 Pro, and I won't go back to any notches or holes.

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                            • 01 Aug 2021

                            AnonD-909757, 31 Jul 2021And I respect your choice, I also don't like those. I... moreI own the Mi 9T Pro, which has the pop-up type cam. I so love the display without any of the mentioned below.

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                              • 31 Jul 2021

                              Chip, 31 Jul 2021I'd go with a UDC any day instead of a device with a h... moreAnd I respect your choice, I also don't like those.
                              I just want people to respect my choice to have phones with no front facing camera, or at least pop up (which is the closest we got except for the Vivo Nex Dual Display and Nubia Z20), but since the beginning they don't well, I imply cranked up the way and frequency I say it as a response.
                              Mainly considering this phone is SO close to have no front facing camera.

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                                • 31 Jul 2021

                                AnonD-909757, 31 Jul 2021If only a version without the gimmick useless underdisplay ... moreI'd go with a UDC any day instead of a device with a hole, notch or teardrop. Such a display is something unnatural.

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                                  • 31 Jul 2021

                                  AnonD-909757, 31 Jul 2021If only a version without the gimmick useless underdisplay ... moreFor me.a screen without a hole in is much more important than the quality of the selfie cam.
                                  As long as its okey ish quality im.ok whit that
                                  The screen is the most important thing for me
                                  I.dont take selfies use it for video calls sometimes but that's it.
                                  I'm sure ther are.other phones out ther for you
                                  That file your need whit a hole in the display

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                                    • 31 Jul 2021

                                    Berserker, 31 Jul 2021so front facing camera on a tablet or laptop is fine, but o... moreOn laptop and tablets it isn't embedded inside the display, so everyone is free to hide it if they want to, with notches, punch holes, and UDC you can't.
                                    And privacy wise, while all cameras should have a physical shutter, the ones on a Smartphone because of all the places you go with it, are much more sensitive.

                                    Front camera on smartphone always caused issues since the iPhone X (on all non-bezel hosted phones) and all wonky solutions to try to combine a fulldisplay and a front camera.
                                    I like pop up, but too many do hate it for no reasons, punch holes and notches are much more hated, UDC is plagued with downsides and is more hated than people think it is, so in the end, the best is to offer diversity, meaning making sub-models, so everyone can choose whatever he wants, for me, it will be no front camera, and for those who want it will be UDC.
                                    This isn't the only possible solution, but it clearly is the ONLY acceptable solution.

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                                      • Anonymous
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                                      • 31 Jul 2021

                                      AnonD-909757, 31 Jul 2021Where did you read that I have any f*** to give about video... moreOk so everyone is bad because they don't make a customised smartphone for you.

                                        AnonD-909757, 31 Jul 2021Where did you read that I have any f*** to give about video... moreso front facing camera on a tablet or laptop is fine, but on a phone? heck no?

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