vivo X70 Pro+ leaks point to impressive camera setup, Snapdragon 888+

31 August 2021
50MP main, 48MP ultrawide and two telephoto cameras will sit on the back.

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EG3Po, 01 Sep 2021We were talking about pixel size vs resolution so sure if y... moreOk so if we talk about pixel size vs res. Then res is more important. For example. Do u think a 1.8 micron sensor will take better or a hmx sensor with 27mp binned will take better photos? And pixel size is literally pixel size. It has nothing to do with the camera quality. While 108mp or 64mp etc photos may just bring more noise and don't bring detail. But if u for example put quad Bayer on 108mp sensor it's gonna produce 27mp image like the hmx with the
4-1 binning it produces best detail of any phone. Pixel size may bring teeny tiny difference but its only like pixel difference and that doesn't matter.

And no I didn't say everything matters about sensor size. Infact the proccesing the isp and the sensor itself is more important. So it's not neccecary that the mi 11 ultra will always win against the vivo x60 pro+. The vivo could have better processing better isp so that makes it better on a few occasions.

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    Anonymous, 31 Aug 2021All phones use plastic lenses. Lighter and cheaper. Onl... moreThis will be the first phone in the recent age to equip CZ glass lens.

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      Dudenoway, 01 Sep 2021Poop heads. Pixel size and res do not matter. What matters ... moreWe were talking about pixel size vs resolution so sure if you want to expand the topic you can go into several other stuff like lens type, quality, coating, number of elements etc etc.

      I agree that sensor size is the key as well as processing. Mi 11 Ultra has the largest sensor but its output can lag behind X60 Pro+ with a much smaller sensor for example.

        EG3Po, 01 Sep 2021Better ask HTC why they don't produce any proper smart... morePixel size isn't even that important even if it is more important than res. Also the higher the binned res is like the hmx which produces 27mp binned photos and has best detail fo all phones the more the detail. An 8mp sensor doesn't produce as much as detail as 12mp sensor. Plus the high res photos don't bring much detail either. What matters the most if software proccesign and sensor and sensor size.

          EG3Po, 31 Aug 2021Old: 32Mp binned to 8Mp, effective pixel size 1.6 microns ... morePoop heads. Pixel size and res do not matter. What matters is the sensor size the sensor the software processing and isp and then finally the pixel size and res.

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            Better ask HTC why they don't produce any proper smartphones anymore. Your example is a good failure.

            Pixel size IS more important than resolution (except maybe not so much for telephoto lenses as another commented here) . That's why sensors use binning now to reduce 50-108 Mp resolutions to 12 and double-quadruple pixel sizes at the same time.

              Except for the partnership with Zeiss and most likely their camera software, Iqoo 8 pro is seriously the better buy than this(maybe cheaper too)

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                handbrake2, 31 Aug 2021I am wondering the same thing. The GN2 sensor has been avai... moreOld sensor does not mean it craps.

                Many 📷 still use sensors for 2014 and still do job pretty well.
                There is no need to change often.

                  Sev7en, 31 Aug 2021Am I in the wrong or the main sensor is so old?I am wondering the same thing. The GN2 sensor has been available for a while and offers better output.

                    EG3Po, 31 Aug 2021Old: 32Mp binned to 8Mp, effective pixel size 1.6 microns ... moreWhen it comes to zoom high resolution is more important than pixel size as long the pixels are not tiny. If we were talking about the main camera I would agree with you.

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                      Calvin62, 31 Aug 2021The previous Vivo X60 pro+ was equipped with Zeiss T coatin... moreAll phones use plastic lenses.
                      Lighter and cheaper.
                      Only first is glass.

                      Zeiss do not make lenses for phones. Just calibrates and does coating.

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                        EG3Po, 31 Aug 2021Old: 32Mp binned to 8Mp, effective pixel size 1.6 microns ... more"Pixel size > resolution ".

                        So, you would choose iphone 6 (8MP 1,5 micron) over iphone 12 (12MP 1,4 micron).
                        Interesting.

                        Can we ask HTC why they dropped the 2 micron sensors in favor of 1,5 and later 1,4?

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                          Am I in the wrong or the main sensor is so old?

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                            I read the Chinese ori source and it says x70 pro+'s camera lens are now all equipped with Ori CZ glass, instead of just the T Sonar coating with normal glass in x60 pro+. If that's the case, it's an massive upgrade.

                            Imagine in the DSLR world, you have a full frame but only with normal Kit lens. Now it's upgraded to the premium Zeiss lens.

                            Anyway still need to wait until 9/9 for the truth to be revealed.

                              The previous Vivo X60 pro+ was equipped with Zeiss T coating and imaging system, jointly developed by Vivo and Zeiss, which met the professional Zeiss imaging quality standard.
                              Besides T coated, the Vivo X70 pro+ will be with Zeiss original glass lenses.
                              The new generation Vivo X70 will also have the Vivo`s V1 imaging system chip.

                                "Its sensor will be 12MP Sony IMX663 and will offer 2x magnification.
                                The periscope cam will have an 8MP sensor and will support 5x zoom."

                                It's a downgrade! That 32MP camera was very good and still the same 8MP for the 5X instead of bringing back the 13MP 5X from the X50?
                                Looks like Vivo will really improve the "atrocious" video from the X60 line and call it an upgrade.

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                                  captain fokou, 31 Aug 2021It's not. The 32 mp sensor produces 8mp pictures so it... moreOld: 32Mp binned to 8Mp, effective pixel size 1.6 microns
                                  New: 12Mp, non-binned, pixel size 1.22 microns

                                  I say Pixel Size > Resolution.
                                  Also old sensor was 1/2.8", new is 1/2.9"
                                  This IS a downgrade from the older.

                                    Anonymous, 31 Aug 2021New ISP though.New does mean always better. Also they are launching a fricking "new" phone with almost the same camera as the old one. I hope it will at least be available globally.

                                      Claude Stanchev, 31 Aug 2021In fact a downgrade, because of the 2x zoom camera. Same c... moreIt's not. The 32 mp sensor produces 8mp pictures so it an upgrade in resolution with is important for a telephoto.

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                                        EG3Po, 31 Aug 2021Vivo X60 Pro+: 32 MP, f/2.1, 50mm (telephoto), 1/2.8"... moreMy mistake. I thought I had read imx363.

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