Samsung unveils flagship 200MP ISOCELL HP1, 50MP ISOCELL GN5 sensors
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- 02 Sep 2021
YUKI93, 02 Sep 2021Come to think about it, Sony are still yet to make a smartp... moreI really don't know whats so special about GN1. It's a good sensor no doubt but it's not cut above competition really. It's just different approach.
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- 02 Sep 2021
Anonymous, 02 Sep 2021According to Samsung, the 200 megapixel mode uses machine l... moreIt's sad that smartphone cameras go backwards. A Google Nexus 5x or Google Pixel 1 in HDR+ On mode could really replace a dedicated camera: Colors were very natural, there were white balance presets in auto mode and there were basically no artifacts.
That's how computational photography should be: Multi frame noise reduction with nearly no artifacts.
But the latest smartphone cameras really start to ruin the results completely. Google's machine learning white balance (since Pixel 3) leads to totally wrong colours and several smartphone manufacturers (including Google) now use machine learning in order to achieve sharper images. According to Samsung, the HP1 uses machine learning for the 200 megapixel mode. Machine learning super resolution is a huge mistake as machine learning only guesses and can make it impossible to recognise wrong detail. The consequence is that smartphone cameras will be banned for journalistic purposes. So in the future, one will need to use dedicated cameras instead of smartphones as every smartphone image might contain a lot of wrong detail. It's paradoxical. Smartphone cameras go backwards.
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- 02 Sep 2021
I would rather they focused on developing their 1" sensor instead of going for these nonsensical megapixel wars again, besides that, their processing algorithms are terrible, great sensors but terrible processing, I dumped my note 20 ultra for the iphone 12 pro max for its ProRaw output only, the phone is pretty basic as per all iphones but its raw capture is excellent, was considering picking up the s21 ultra but will wait and see about the iphone 13 pro max first
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- 02 Sep 2021
YUKI93, 02 Sep 2021Come to think about it, Sony are still yet to make a smartp... moreYeah, they're definitely falling a bit behind in terms of new sensors. I think maybe the imx766 does match the OV50A and the IMX700 more or less matches the GN2 in terms of specs anyway. Doesn't seem to be any direct match up with the others
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- 02 Sep 2021
Anonymous, 02 Sep 2021Did you just log in from 7 different IP addresses to upvote... morehigher is better logic
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Mobilemaster, 02 Sep 2021You may be right, but there was a person or 2 here who said... moreI said you cannot make HMX (mi11) to go 9 to 1 like HM3 (21U).
Because you have only 4 grouped.
It is nature of the sensor.
This one has 16 grouped. It is different.
You read 16 together or just 4.
What you see from image is software based, photodiodes to not move to get together (some people here think they can, LOL ).
This is why you cannot make quadbayer act like nonacell.
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- Nick Tegrataker
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- 02 Sep 2021
haha bobo, 02 Sep 2021...annnnnnnd all of that will be destroyed by poor processi... morePathetic self-upvoting, get a life ffs.
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- 02 Sep 2021
What's really nice is that some Samsung sensors can allegedly capture two images simultaneously, but with a different Iso gain. It would be extremely useful, if there was such an option when shooting in raw.
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- 02 Sep 2021
Mobilemaster, 02 Sep 2021You may be right, but there was a person or 2 here who said... moreOh it was that Sony fanboy. He will repeat the same thing. Nothing can sway his opinion, even when facts are shown to be contrary to what he believes.
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- 02 Sep 2021
haha bobo, 02 Sep 2021...annnnnnnd all of that will be destroyed by poor processi... moreDid you just log in from 7 different IP addresses to upvote yourself?
What's wrong with 12 MP? A7S III is a DSLR released in 2020 and it has 12 MP.
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- 02 Sep 2021
According to Samsung, the 200 megapixel mode uses machine learning in order to achieve more detail. I really don't like machine learning super resolution modes as it makes photos useless: You can't easily identify which details are not true (whereas conventional artifacts like moiré are easy to identify).
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- Anonymous
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- 02 Sep 2021
AnonD-994853, 02 Sep 2021Yup GN5 is basically an IMX 766 with ISOCELL Tech and Dual ... moreno its not its not even the same size
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- 02 Sep 2021
Anonymous, 02 Sep 2021This is (most likely) a 1/1.2" sensor. The GN1 has ... moreThis is a 1/1.22" sensor. It's mentioned in Samsung's website: https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/isocell/mobile-image-sensors/isocell-hp1/
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- 02 Sep 2021
Anonymous, 02 Sep 2021How about the sensor sizes? HP1: 82,5mm²
GN5: 50.1mm²
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Nick Tegrataker, 02 Sep 2021What's the point of having 200 million pixels when you... morei would say just wait and see until the product release.
Back then many people saying same things with 108mp,
whats the point 108mp sensor if it only intend for producing 12mp ?
from 108mp sensor, we can see it have some advantage in some situations over 12mp, so i guess that the same reason with 200mp.
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- 02 Sep 2021
How about the sensor sizes?
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- 02 Sep 2021
I've got a GN2 in my phone and love it. The night shots are especially impressive - they can look almost like daytime. Not sure how the higher mp and lower pixel size will impact noise though. I'd like to see less processing required to touch up photos afterwards not more.
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Rkm, 02 Sep 2021Oh, an ND filter would be so useful right now. Not only for... moreNDF takes huge space.
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YUKI93, 02 Sep 2021Come to think about it, Sony are still yet to make a smartp... more50A used by P50 series is counterpart of 766.
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- 02 Sep 2021
YUKI93, 02 Sep 2021That is correct. Glass lenses should be mandatory for premi... moreOh, an ND filter would be so useful right now. Not only for long exposure, but also for smoother slower shutter speed videos in bright sunlight.
The lenses just got brighter and brighter and people just forgot about the other side of wide open lenses.