Carphone Warehouse leaks Pixel 6 and 6 Pro in full detail
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- 16 Oct 2021
Which countries will it be available in?
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- Chris
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- 14 Oct 2021
WHY GOOGLE?!??? WHY?!??? You are running apple money grab trend and not providing charger?!???
Yes i have 2 chargers @ home from previous devices, but NON OF THEM are specific wattage/amp so qc will not be possible on the new phone, forcing user to buy the charger if you want to charge your phone in few hours.
The ''going green'' excuse is total *****, If it really would be like that then it would/should be as an 'trade-in' program, when you trade in your old charger for new one, you get -60% off the charger price or something.
Now it is just a cleaver marketing scheme on how to save millions on manufacturing costs, meanwhile earning millions as customers spend more cash buying charger separately.
If you want to charge your phone for 5-6h, then sure old incompatible 3/4-5yo charger will be fine, but if you want to live a normal life then you are forced just to spend more money.
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- Nate
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- 14 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 13 Oct 2021Of course it is an extremely interesting comparison. It wou... moreAnd still no answer, WHY such a comparison, what is the actual point and intent of comparing two phones that are years apart?
If you are comparing new recent phone to phone from 2019, than compare it to iPhone 11, then you will be able to say too how bad 11 is and how stunning 13 is when compared, iPhones back then could not even do astrophotography when cheapy from Google was able to.
Honestly you sound like a extreme biased person, Apple shill with intent to praise one and trash another with extremely unfair and unreasonable comparison.
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- gBV
- 13 Oct 2021
Nate, 13 Oct 2021Praising iPhone 13 over lower end mid-range phone from 2019... moreOf course it is an extremely interesting comparison. It would be crazy not to praise a phone camera that can capture the center of a galaxy handheld. It is a technological achievement. The tripod astrophotography comparison between the Pixel 3a and the iPhone 13 mini should be scientifically even more reasonable than a comparison between a Pixel 5 and iPhone 13 Pro because Pixel 3a and iPhone 13 Mini use a similar exposure time per frame (3.94s vs 3.0s) and capture nearly the same total amount of light (when they are both on a tripod) from a galaxy as I already mentioned.
Regarding Night Sight: Android Authority compared the Pixel 5 with the Pixel 3 and the low light sample images of the Pixel 3 rather look better. The Pixel 5 sensor has the same read noise as the Pixel 3a sensor and they have very similar lens specs and as far as I know, nothing indicates that the Pixel 5 has much better OIS. I haven't seen any evidence that the Night Sight mode of the Pixel 5 is better than the Night Sight mode of the Pixel 3a and the duration of the Night Sight mode is basically identical. But I have seen a lot of evidence that Google stagnates.
There might be multiple reasons why the 13 Mini can capture the center of the Andromeda galaxy handheld: 1. The lens gathers 67% more light per time from a galaxy than the Pixel 3a (the Pixel 5 only gathers 5% more light per time from a galaxy than the 3a)
2. The maximum total exposure time is 10 seconds, whereas the maximum total exposure time of the Pixel 3a and Pixel 5 is approximately 6 seconds.
3. Better image stabilization. Apple combines 2s exposures whereas Pixel phones combine 1/3-1s exposures in low-light conditions as far as I know, this time the Pixel chose 0.46s per frame. So the iPhone doesn't need to combine that many frames in order to capture a lot of light, that's an advantage because every frame increases the total amount of read noise.
4. It's possible that the iPhone sensor has less read noise than the sensor of the Pixel 3a/5
5. It's possible that the noise reduction of the iPhone is less aggressive regarding removing stars when shooting handheld. Already one year ago I saw handheld results from other phone cameras (Huawei, iPhone 11 Pro) that showed far more stars, see Anandtech's comparison from June 18 2020. Google never advertised handheld astrophotography as far as I know. Google even wrote in their blog about their astrophotography mode:
"Clearly, this cannot work with a handheld camera"
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- Nate
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- 13 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 13 Oct 2021The iPhone 13 Mini does capture 67% more light per time fro... morePraising iPhone 13 over lower end mid-range phone from 2019. Really interesting comparison, wonder what is the actual point or intent of such a comparison.
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- Anonymous
- nC4
- 13 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 13 Oct 2021What's really nice from Apple: They write how many ex... moreIt is interesting that you comparing two devices of 3 years apart to such extent, do comparisons when Pixel 6 comes out.
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 13 Oct 2021
What's really nice from Apple:
They write how many exposures they combine in the exif data:
iPhone 13 Mini handheld astrophotography:
Five 2s exposures
iPhone 13 Mini tripod astrophotography:
Ten 3s exposures (I think that the iPhone 13 Pro combines three 10s exposures, not nice from Apple because apple.com doesn't mention this)
Pixel phones don't mention this in the exif data, hopefully the Pixel 6 fixes this, though at least the Pixel 3a lets you know how many exposures are used when you look at the circular progress bar:
Pixel 3a handheld Night Sight:
Maximum total exposure time is 6 seconds (for example thirteen 0.46 second exposures, though the combination can be different each time and you need to hold still for nearly 7 seconds)
Pixel 3a tripod astrophotography:
Total exposure time is usually 51 seconds when you don't zoom (thirteen 3.94s exposures, but it takes 56 seconds)
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- Mkb
- 13 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 13 Oct 2021The iPhone 13 Mini does capture 67% more light per time fro... moreWhy are you comparing these two phones? Is it in response to a former question? Otherwise and as I have both phones why compare a phone released around May 2019 with a phone released by in September 2021. Approximately 16 months is a very long time in the tech World.
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 13 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 13 Oct 2021The iPhone 13 Mini does capture 67% more light per time fro... moreI should also mention that due to read noise, gathering 67% more light per time from a galaxy can be equivalent to the noise advantage of combining 1.67² = 2.8 times as many exposures. So, the 67% light advantage can behave like a 180% light advantage.
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 13 Oct 2021
Nick Tegrataker, 13 Oct 2021"But now the extremely surprising thing"
I'... moreThe iPhone 13 Mini does capture 67% more light per time from a galaxy than the Pixel 3a and its 10 second night mode is longer than Google's Night Sight, which takes up to 6-7 seconds. This leads to approximately 2.5 times as much light from Andromeda.
Different exposures (or rather exposures with different gain) are mostly unnecessary for astrophotography as there is nearly nothing you can overexpose apart from the stars, especially as handheld exposures are not very long. The noise advantage due to an even higher analog gain would be marginal anyway because Google doesn't use an extremely low analog gain in such light conditions. Though, it's possible that Apple's sensor has less read noise overall.
Apart from the light gathering advantage, the stabilization is likely better and I also assume that the processing could be better regarding handheld long exposures. I assume that the handheld Night Sight mode noise reduction removes too many stars.
It is surprising. I am not aware of any other smartphone that can capture the center of the Andromeda Galaxy handheld despite light pollution. I am not sure whether my Canon M50 + 32mm f/1.4 (no OIS) could achieve this without a tripod.
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- 13 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 12 Oct 2021I just compared the 56 seconds astrophotography mode of the... more"But now the extremely surprising thing"
I'm afraid that's not really surprising since iPhone 13 Mini can take in 87% more light per exposure, and Pixel 3a does not use exposure bracketing for HDR+ unlike iPhone or Pixel 5 which naturally leads to the significantly increased shadow noise.
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 12 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 12 Oct 2021I just compared the 56 seconds astrophotography mode of the... moreI want to add that I took the photos at a location with light pollution.
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 12 Oct 2021
I just compared the 56 seconds astrophotography mode of the Pixel 3a (it takes 56 seconds, but it exposes for 52 seconds) with the 30 seconds tripod mode of the iPhone 13 Mini. Surprising results!
Theoretically, the iPhone 13 Mini lens captures in 30 seconds approximately the same amount of light from a galaxy as the Pixel 3a in 52 seconds.
Though, I expected that the 13 Mini would be noticeably worse, but that wasn't really the case. It was worse, but only slightly! Both were able to capture the center of the Andromeda galaxy (looks like a blurry star).
But now the extremely surprising thing:
The iPhone 13 Mini was able to capture the center of the ANDROMEDA GALAXY even in its 10 seconds HANDHELD NIGHT MODE whereas the Pixel 3a captured nothing from the Andromeda galaxy in its Night Sight mode. The handheld result of the iPhone wasn't much worse than the tripod result, whereas the handheld result of the Pixel was much, much worse. Hopefully, the Pixel 6 fixes this.
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- Anonymous
- nC4
- 12 Oct 2021
.alpha, 12 Oct 2021From the promo images, doesn't look like Google is tar... moreBased on what, color of the phones? or are you in the market for people?
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- q2$
- 12 Oct 2021
From the promo images, doesn't look like Google is targeting Pixel 6 for the US, EU, East Asia market
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 12 Oct 2021
By the way, I noticed some issues with the portrait mode of Google smartphones (apart from the bad depth map) and hopefully, Google fixes those issues:
-Faces can look oversharpened
-you can not adjust the intensity of the blur before taking the photo and actually, you even can not really adjust it afterwards: The background blur algorithm of Google Photos is totally different to the background blur algorithm of the camera app, the bokeh balls look worse if you adjust it afterwards. I am not sure, but Apple doesn't seem to have this issue
-Google upscales the crop, this requires more storage and could produce more artifacts. They shouldn't upscale portrait mode images. (Portrait mode images of the Pixel 2,3,4,5 actually only have 5.4 megapixels)
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 12 Oct 2021
Nate, 12 Oct 2021Well even on Pixel 5 2X is quite superb.I have a Pixel 3a and 2x is terrible, but of course, some people might not notice the difference between 3 and 12 megapixels as even Full HD only has 2 megapixels.
The Pixel 5 also lets you save HDR+ dng files, they will have a resolution of 3 megapixels at 2x.
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- nC4
- 12 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 12 Oct 2021If only 20x is the maximum zoom setting, this indicates tha... moreSo how Mi 11 Ultra does it? not to mention that their camera software is not that great.
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- 12 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 12 Oct 20212x won't have good image quality, unless they are able... moreWell even on Pixel 5 2X is quite superb.
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- gBV
- 12 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 12 Oct 202120X is plenty, I rather have quality over insane range with... moreIf only 20x is the maximum zoom setting, this indicates that they are not able to leverage the 48 megapixel mode and won't give you a high quality 8x zoom setting. (48 megapixel Bayer sensors allow for 2x as much reach as 12 megapixel sensors in good light conditions, though this is a Quad Bayer sensor..)