Oppo retractable camera prototype showcased at Inno Day 2021
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- 17 Dec 2021
Nick Tegrataker, 15 Dec 2021Here's a question for you then: How hard is it for you... moreIt's become a habit on Gsmarena to bash any innovation in camera department on smartphones by comparing them to the absolute best professional cameras.
I don't understand why these guys are comparing consumer product to a product designed for professional purposes??
- joe nodden
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- 17 Dec 2021
Alpha, 15 Dec 2021Theres literally NOTHING cool about a protruding camera, ge... moreThe hell is wrong with you. There's a reason DSLRs (or any other professional cameras for that matter) aren't 8mm thin. Longer lenses work better for a multitude of reasons.
The fact that you seem to be getting offended over this is beyond sad.
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- AnonD-909757
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- 16 Dec 2021
[deleted post]Well, there is a difference between legit or constructive criticism and negative criticisms.
*Criticizing that the market is flooded with the same punch hole, which, can't arguably be said to be an ideal solution, far from that, this is a legit, albeit non-constructive criticism.
*Criticizing the Pixel 4 for having ditched the fingerprint sensor (Huawei demonstrated well how both 3D face recognition and fingerprint scanner can be on the same phone) is a constructive criticism as we are saying what we would like to be changed.
Remember that all techs that are easy to ignore (don't cost too much and are totally passive and not impairing the user in any way if the smartphone have it or not, like an SD card slot, the 3.5mm Jack, 5Mp or more over 2Mp sensors, etc) should, in most cases, be the norm and their absence justified, mainly when there is a substantial number of user to those.
*But someone criticizing a phone for X or Y feature, as if it was the worse thing you could do to said person, why absolutely no one force said person to buy this phone, and this feature is clearly not bound to become market invasive like the punch hole.
Example : 3D face recognition, pop-up camera, continuous variable FL (zoom), slider phone, thinner, thicker, smaller, bigger phone, etc, this is what everyone does in the smartphone community.
If a brand decide to make a SINGLE model with a particular feature, why on earth would anyone complain about it if they are not forced to buy it, MAINLY if there are similar phones available without such feature?
Every other community, subject, market, etc, when discussing something they don't like, they either :
*Say why they prefer the alternative.
*Express why this isn't for them.
In the smartphone community, the most common answer is :
*I don't like this, and it doesn't conform to the established norm, therefor it shouldn't exist, even if there is a demand or even a need for it.
This is the ONLY community I've ever saw where, when you say you'd like X or Y unconventional feature on a phone, people jump on you as if you meant that it should be on all phones without exceptions.
In a sense, the Android community have it worse than Apple, Apple is almost more a philosophy than a brand, they do their stuff their own way and force no one to buy an Apple over an Android, granted, what they do is still awful, like removing the Jack, their implementation of the Notch (it should have been a bezel with display around the sensor for status icons and not a continuation of the main display, only a slight software difference but a HUGE end result difference) and other things, but they are a single brand following their own choice.
While on Android, we have a lot of brands, but all do the exact same thing except for Sony and some lesser brands, in fact, they release many series that are identical, which is often from rebranding.
Look at the cheer number of Samsung smartphones, yet, none in the past 2 years have anything other than a punch hole or a teardrop notch except for the absolute cheapest where it has been spared only to save money and on the Galaxy Xcover 5 who is its own thing.
Same for all brands, yet, the same things are everywhere, and so many are defending this as if having diversity (meaning, a bit of everything, so everyone can get what he wants, including them) would be bad.
So not accepting that ALL phones get bad things, sure, that's the spirit of not being a sheep, but not accepting that a SINGLE series get something just because the person don't like it, despite having absolutely no intents whatsoever to buy the phone had the feature not been in it?
Heck no, that's being an egoistic and egocentric person.
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- Nick Tegrataker
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- 16 Dec 2021
gimm, 16 Dec 2021you don't even need to buy a thousand dollar lense for... more3 problems with your logic:
1. At the widest end, image quality from compact cameras is often significantly worse than high-end smartphones unless you get a model with a sensor larger than 1-inch. Dim lens hurts a lot especially when it comes to low light photography.
2. Most of them don't provide image quality good enough for most professionals, and ones with a large sensor AND a zoom lens with a wide focal length range are rare and expensive.
3. Even if these were decent enough for your usage, you would still need a phone to do everything else.
If carrying around a cheap phone + a compact camera was the objectively better solution, I guess most people would've gone through that route instead, which is clearly not the case in our society. I said a lot but honestly, I believe the 3rd one is the biggest reason why people just want a phone with a good camera.
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- r31ya
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- 16 Dec 2021
Interesting approach.
Oppo goes physical lens goes outward.
Sony goes telescopic lens move inside the chassis.
While Sony approach have advantages of less movable item outside chassis protection.
Oppo approach without using prism allows to use bigger sensor and get direct light without much mirroring first.
- SuuperBaka
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- 16 Dec 2021
Alpha, 15 Dec 2021Theres literally NOTHING cool about a protruding camera, ge... moreIt's a pretty cool concept, don't generalize your opinion for the rest of us
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- 16 Dec 2021
gimm, 16 Dec 2021you don't even need to buy a thousand dollar lense for... morehttps://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-52285p2.php#2444702
TL;DR :
Who carries a pocket camera EVERYWHERE?
You are BOUND to miss some nice picture opportunities if you don't have it.
That's more portable than a DLSR and multiple lens, for sure, but still it isn't something you'll take for going to the grocery store or an appointment.
And if for you, quality wise, a compact camera is good enough compared to a big DSLR, then why a smartphone isn't good enough compared to a compact camera then?
Wanting a better camera on smartphone isn't an issue, what is an issue is how the lack of diversity impose to people the price range and camera type they have on their phones.
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- 16 Dec 2021
gimm, 16 Dec 2021automated retracting camera to protect it when phone fall i... moreEven if it (both phone and mechanism) could survive as asteroid impact and a direct hit from a main battle tank, it would still be needed as the "moving parts are bad" idiots will still complain and give it a bad image which would be bad for sells, exactly like it happened with the pop up even if it was still selling super well.
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- 16 Dec 2021
Anonymous, 15 Dec 2021You can buy a k30 pro zoom camera for $20 and replace it on... moreIt doesn't work that way, I wish it would.
But nope, some are currently trying to allow the camera from the K30 Pro Zoom to work on the regular K30 Pro and Poco F2 Pro, but it is not from ideal.
Not only there are issues, and you need to do a lot of manual work for getting this to work, you also don't have all features working properly (though now most does they processed well on this project), and on top of that, it replaces the Macro, not the 2Mp depth sensor, and I do like the Macro of the Poco F2 Pro.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/replace-poco-f2-camera-with-redmi-k30-pro-zoom-camera.4160691/
Blame that on how bad Android it, if only it could work the same way as Linux or Windows, using normal drivers, but nope, they had to do some stupid limiting hardware level code to OS.
Basically, on Android, each device have its own OS, imagine if you had to pick a specific Windows or Linux depending on each individual internal components of your computer...
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- 16 Dec 2021
Nick Tegrataker, 15 Dec 2021Here's a question for you then: How hard is it for you... moreyou don't even need to buy a thousand dollar lense for digital camera to 'work', simple pocket digital camera is good enough for capturing image for daily use, just like phone camera, except better
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- 16 Dec 2021
automated retracting camera to protect it when phone fall is kinda useless, when the phone itself cannot survive the fall damage
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- Anonymous
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- 15 Dec 2021
It looks cool, but... The real life difference better be significant enough to make up for the inevitable dust related problems after a year or two.
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- AlphaisDumb
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- 15 Dec 2021
Alpha, 15 Dec 2021More gimmicks that nobody needs, one drop and its bye bye lens!Look for someone who doesn't care about cameras I wouldn't expect you to care about phones with cool cameras but to say it's a dumb idea then you are brain dead or something. This is why people like you don't know how to appreciate things.
- Anonymossy
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- 15 Dec 2021
joe nodden, 15 Dec 2021Cool so release it on a phone. They're planning to do so in the future once it's been perfected.
- Anonymossy
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- 15 Dec 2021
Alpha, 15 Dec 2021More gimmicks that nobody needs, one drop and its bye bye lens!Did you not read the article and that it can retract if it detects that it's falling? And that it has plenty of useful features? I'm guessing you didn't and immediately went to the comments.
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- 15 Dec 2021
Alpha, 15 Dec 2021Theres literally NOTHING cool about a protruding camera, ge... moreFor an ignorant, yes, maybe.
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- 15 Dec 2021
Alpha, 15 Dec 2021More gimmicks that nobody needs, one drop and its bye bye lens!You don't even know what this is.
How you know what other people need?
Stop thinking your case is universal.
Yeah, which is why it retracts, so it doesn't break.
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- 15 Dec 2021
Alpha, 15 Dec 2021Theres literally NOTHING cool about a protruding camera, ge... moreI want SMALL (like S10) phone with good quality zoom starting from 2x (for portraits) to about 6x. This can deliver it.
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- 15 Dec 2021
joe nodden, 15 Dec 2021Cool so release it on a phone. Theres literally NOTHING cool about a protruding camera, get over yourself!
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- 15 Dec 2021
More gimmicks that nobody needs, one drop and its bye bye lens!