Samsung claims that yields from its 5 nm foundries are improving
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- 19 Mar 2022
why do they call it 4nm process???
Exynos 2200 (4 nm) - Europe
Qualcomm SM8450 Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 (4 nm) - ROW
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P C M, 19 Mar 2022Both 835 and 845 were made by Samsung. Samsung's Fin... morePlease forget it
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P C M, 19 Mar 2022Both 835 and 845 were made by Samsung. Samsung's Fin... moreBoth made by Samsung 10LPE and 10LPP process respectively, these fabrication process uses DUV lithography not EUV
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- 19 Mar 2022
Samsung should consider actually not making any chips because when they do we have rice cooker instead So they can save lots of money and improve on their own dominating area which is screen/camera tech
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IpsDisplay, 18 Mar 2022Sammy nm process is a joke
Yield isn't the only thi... moreYour generous advice has been well received by the board.
Hush now!
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- 19 Mar 2022
IpsDisplay, 18 Mar 20221) brands sign contracts that alst years because they think... morebut qualcomm is really better. You hardly see any mediatek with their driver support around. When you have mediatek chip it automatically locked bootloader.
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- 19 Mar 2022
sixtymes, 19 Mar 2022only 35%. yikes thats low. I wonder if 3nm will be better o... moreIt took Samsung more than 1 year to even come close to TSMC in the 5nm fabrication. Not really surprising that Samsung will again lag behind in the 3nm fabrication. No wonder Apple and Mediatek chose TSMC. Better yield rate means lower cost.
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Anonymous, 18 Mar 2022845 by tsmc
https://pocketnow.com/tsmc-snapdragon-845qualc... moreBoth 835 and 845 were made by Samsung.
Samsung's FinFET was great. It was EUV process where they f**d up.
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- 19 Mar 2022
"The company didn’t officially confirm it, but the yield rate for the 5 nm node, the one used for the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1, is reportedly only 35%."
I thought the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 is manufactured using 4nm process?
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Anonymous, 19 Mar 2022https://www.counterpointresearch.com/android-smartphone-soc... moreAll you've just written here is your wishlist
When the D9000 is used in more and more smartphones I hope you don't go quiet in the comment section keep this same energy for the rest of 2022
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- 19 Mar 2022
only 35%. yikes thats low. I wonder if 3nm will be better or still that bad when it starts?
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Anonymous, 18 Mar 2022https://sumahodigest.com/?p=8384
Mediatek widwos can cry... moreEveryone know Qualcomm dominates the high-end space
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So who are you trying to prove wrong?? You literally talking to no one at this point
Mediatek only has the D9000 and I hey have just started but it's threatening enough for Qualcomm to be rushing for the 8 gen 1 +
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Anonymous, 19 Mar 2022So many s**t here.
Contract between OEMs and Qualcomm i... moreYou said a whole lot of nothing
I like how you completely ignore FRAND and my claims of Qualcomm getting into legal trouble for abusing a monopoly
That is the context of the conversation I am waiting for you to dismiss
But your out here talking about it's only for securing chips get out of here with that nonsense
Qualcomm uses contracts for leverage over OEMs this is already proven this is not speculation
I'm still waiting for you to show me that this does not happen
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Anonymous, 19 Mar 2022https://www.counterpointresearch.com/android-smartphone-soc... moreThey'll just wait for next year, mediatek ground will be more than ever in premium segment.
See you next year
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IpsDisplay, 18 Mar 20221) brands sign contracts that alst years because they think... morehttps://www.counterpointresearch.com/android-smartphone-soc-market-2021/
Read and cry. The more expensive are the phones, less marketshare mediatek has.
Except find x5 pro, all phones with D9000 will be lower tier, phones below $650.
Xiaomi, Motorola, Sony, Asus, Htc, Meizu , Huawei, Honor, Vivo, OnePlus will not use mediatek on phones that cost $900, $1000, $1200, $1500 .....
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- 19 Mar 2022
IpsDisplay, 18 Mar 20221) brands sign contracts that alst years because they think... moreSo many s**t here.
Contract between OEMs and Qualcomm is to secure chip for determinated amount of years. And chips OEMs want to have. Qualcomm does not force Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo, Sony, Motorola and other to use snapdragon on their most expensive device. Find X5 Pro is proof.
Yes, they also have contract with mediatek as well. You do not come every year and say you want those chips. Chip maker is always aware of how many will be sold way before new chips are even made.
Qualcomm has better ISP, better mode with faster internet connectivity, two types of 5G, record 8K HDR. There are brands using these things D9000 does not offer.
Does not matter if Chip A scores higher geekbench and antutu. Does not matter if chip A makes battery last more. The OEMs do not care about this, they care if chip offers what they want.
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- 19 Mar 2022
There is the SMIC, Global Foundries, Intel Foundries, Samsung Foundries, and TSMC.
Global Foundries used to be owned by AMD, but after Intel's corruption which lead to AMD going bankrupt they had to cut R&D and eventually sell it off. They went from a midrange chip provider to a budget chip provider (eg 32nm).
Intel Foundries used to be the world's best. They had the highest paying jobs, best talent, and were 2-Generations of chipset ahead of the competition. They were selling products internally, so supply wasn't much of an issue. After 2014-2016 where they crafted the 14nm node, they became stagnant for 5-years. Normally that's a death sentence, but due to their unique position and funding, they survived and now are in third position. They focus mostly on low-supply of high-end chips (8nm).
Samsung Foundries came from a different route. The company makes everything, even cars, but their foundary has always focused on Flash Chip production. They've been a high-yield midrange provider. Things started changing when they got more serious about modems, and they started investing to bleeding-edge market starting with their phones. They were briefly the best chip provider back in QSD 835 era, where they could challenge Intel's 14nm chips, and TSMC was still tweaking their 16nm node. Now they've slipped to second position still as a bleeding-edge chip provider, and are slightly ahead of Intel, but are doing well financially.
TSMC has always been a high-supply chip provider, but they have mixed products from the midrange to high-end. They really got ahead of the competition with their dubbed-7nm node which beat Samsung's 8nm and Intel's 14nm. They've gone from strength to strength after that. They're the premium chip provider internationally, on the cutting-edge.
SMIC is yeah.... if I talk about their origin, funding, practices, and future. Well it might get me banned here. So take that as you will, and look into it yourself.
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- 18 Mar 2022
Too late. Already lost trust in Samsung
First the weakly built S22 then the throttling controversy, they even refuse to name processor in their best selling A series of phones. All this from an old trusted company. Unacceptable
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- 18 Mar 2022
https://sumahodigest.com/?p=8384
Mediatek widwos can cry. Mediatek has largest marketshare only below the $300 range. This range $200-300, mediatek has 46% while qualcomm has 43%.
Between $300-600, qualcomm has over 60% of devices sold.
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- 18 Mar 2022
Hemedans, 18 Mar 2022845 is Samsung, 855 and 865 TSMC845 by tsmc
https://pocketnow.com/tsmc-snapdragon-845qualcomm-samsung