Snapdragon 8 Gen 1+ is postponed for the second half of 2022

06 May 2022
The main reason is the resurging COVID restrictions in China.

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AnonD-731363, 07 May 2022Man but SD695 is way faster than SD845 or SD855 it must bee... moreWas that sarcasm?
The QSD 695 uses the cut-down Adreno 619 iGPU. It's definitely slower than the old QSD 845 in that department. It is closer to the QSD 750 and QSD 835 iGPU performance.
When it comes to the CPU, it only has 2x Large Cores. It definitely can't match the likes of the QSD 855, and it is a mixed comparison against the QSD 845. Again, it is closer to the CPU performance of the QSD 750 and QSD 835. But all of that is the hardware.

It is possible to have a device perform worse than your expectations.
The latest QC 8g1, or the QSD 888+, or QSD 870 are the three best chipsets out there on Android Devices... and all three can perform worse than the likes of the QSD 632, QSD 680 or QSD 695. It is possible. And how you achieve that depends on the software optimisations, or lack thereof.

Imagine if you just picked up an ASUS RoG Phone 6, the fastest Android Phone in the market, and you used an experiemental Custom Rom on it that wasn't properly optimised. You could get very very poor performance with emulators or the likes of Genshin Impact. And now imagine you still had your spare phone, a Moto G7 Power, and you flashed it with the best Custom Rom on it which had the most optimisations. See what I mean?

    mooox, 07 May 2022I think you missed out 2 key points: 1. Resistance to wear+... moreThanks for the reply, and I'll try to address the points you raised.

    I think electrical conductivity, water permeability, and temperature range are fairly well understood between the listed options. Wood is actually a good resistant for temperatures, it warps badly under intense heat but that is outside the scope of pocketables. I would be more concerned about it's water permeability, as it is doable, just very difficult. These factors don't affect the other options listed so not worth mentioning. The only other perceivable challenge is the electrical conductivity aspect, and how it relates to Metals. Thankfully this is a non-issue as well because if there is ANY leakage of current, that is detrimental to the device regardless of its Build Materials. Why? Because it is so compact, that leakage will be a huge issue for the processor, logic board, other components way before it has anything to do with the front-plate, side-frame or back-panel. Devices will generally be grounded so any outside charge would be insulated and shielded from affecting the delicate internal electricals.

    LONGEVITY, as you coined "Wear and Tear", isn't really something that needs discussing.
    Two very different materials, when they're at identical durability levels, generally will have the same longevity. So if they both resist shock and force similarly, they would both hold up similarly too. However, there are exceptions such as UV damage, heat warping, cold snaps, and rot decay. Most people intuitively know how the listed materials fare in this regard. This would complicate it too much to list it, but I'll try to summarise it quickly. Wood has excellent properties but can rot through mould infestation. Metals can also rot, this is through a process called rusting, and the options I listed are naturally resistant to it but if it gets charged up past its electrical potential even stainless steel will rust. Plastics can get severe UV radiation which makes them brittle. Leather naturally ages and fares worst in this category. Glass, Ceramics, and Sapphire will behave the same, they fare best when it comes to "Age Resistance" since they don't rot, or get irradiated, but they can shatter if there is a quick change in temperature from hot to cold (or vice versa).

    Weight, is a fair point to bring up.
    However that is a little complicated, since some materials scale-up well and others don't. Weaves like Kevlar have great "pound for pound" properties but only after a certain level of layers and thickness, whilst most metals behave very predictably with thickness. And then you have the likes of Wood, which is an organic-carbon lattice made up mostly with air (which is why it floats) which is pretty light even when it is thick. The lightest material would probably be the cheap Glossy Plastic, as they can be made quite thin and still hold structural shape, they're cheap and not expected to be durable. The heaviest would probably be Sapphire Crystal, as they weigh slightly more than Glass or Ceramics, and aren't structurally well if it is too thin.

    With that all said, when we are talking about a phone it still has to be pocketable. So we are pretty much constrained to the maximum dimensions of roughly 160mm x 80mm x 10mm, and 200 grams. And at those dimensions, the build material doesn't really fluctuate the weight as much as I anticipated. Between the lightest material to the heaviest material we are talking about a max difference of 15 grams. At the more average scenario, the difference is probably 5 grams, which I think is a factor, but it isn't a big enough for users. Here is a comparison, do take notice of the (very similar) listed device Weights, Battery Size, Dimensions, and Material Composition:
    https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6434&idPhone2=7431&idPhone3=8067

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      • AnonD-731363
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      • 07 May 2022

      mooox, 07 May 2022I don't know if your SD695 is overclocked massively, b... moreMan but SD695 is way faster than SD845 or SD855 it must been becauuse its 5G enabled and capable compared to SD845.

      This site proves i was just right: https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/qualcomm-snapdragon-845-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-695

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        • Anonymous
        • 63x
        • 07 May 2022

        I still can't see the point of an overclocked variant when the current chipset is basically a moving toaster. I'd rather see Qualcomm fix the whole thermal inefficiency issue first.

          Kangal, 07 May 2022And based on what I know, I think the different materials b... moreOverall, price was a major factor.
          - At €100 (or US$150), which is the discount-bin market, I think its completely fine to use cheap Glossy Plastic or Tempered Glass.
          - At €100-€200 (or US$150-US$250), which is the low-midrange market, you should demand something like High-Grade Matte Polycarbonate.
          - At €200-€400 (or US$250-US$450), which is the high-midrange market, you should demand something like Kevlar.
          - Above €500 (or Above US$600), which is the high-end market, where almost anything goes, it demands exclusively the Top-Shelf Alloys.

          Basically, you can scale up material cost inline with the Bill of Materials. So as much as me and every other user out there hates those super-cheap options, they do have a place in the market. And while over 99% people don't want those luxurious options, like Crystal Sapphire, Custom-Leather, or Swarovski diamonds there is a tiny niche for the 1% too.

          What is most important is for the (+80%) mainstream consumers, which means we should be seeing a lot of phones out there that are using durable components like Kevlar and Unibody Alloys. Of course, that is the ideal situation for consumers. This isn’t a perfect world, and what we see is something completely different. I chalk this up to, the wealthy executives in the industry, using cheaper and less durable components, whilst charging higher prices, and they achieve this by the use of constant bom bardment of catchy marketing. So they're persuaded/deceived the consumers.

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            mooox, 07 May 2022I don't know if your SD695 is overclocked massively, b... moreYou need too change your kernels, then it will give you options too change current and voltage electric settings and you can chose how many gpu cores too kick or work actively along with the help off cpu too help the GPU working together.

            The standard kernels won't allow you too alter or modify anything

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              • Anonymous
              • 3G%
              • 07 May 2022

              Still catching up to the a14 bionic, meanwhile a16 bionic out in september lol.

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                • 07 May 2022

                mooox, 07 May 2022But no one uses carbon fibre for heat dissipation. Carbon f... more£1000 phone with no case or protection. 90% use cases here in Europe because they care and love there phones, making sure no marks scratches sent or scuffs. Even on ebay when you purchase any highend or midrange phones are all in excellent or very good or mint condition.

                There's cost too CNC for phone design, yes it's kinda cheap, but the thicker it gets the more expensive it gets. Glass is cheap too buy unless sapphire or ceramic glass. Even gorrila glass5.

                I did say the cost varies the thicker it gets. I paid £150 for 3mm thick, including post and labour. You can also have it DLC, Diamond coated or with beryllium or brass or rhodium pure 100% silver rear back, cost goes up. It's all custom made to order here in UK England, you can get sapphire glass rear back at 3mm thick at £250

                Made in Japan or Germany or Italy, not China.

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                  • ucw
                  • 07 May 2022

                  77, 07 May 2022It's real genuine There's labour charges off £... moreBut no one uses carbon fibre for heat dissipation. Carbon fibre is like carbon threads weaved together into a cloth like material. The material itself is too weak without multiple layers, or adding epoxy resin to retain its shape (or use a plastic center piece to keep it rigid).

                  Either way, an aftermarket "carbon fibre" phone back probably has thermal conductivity of normal plastic or epoxy, keep that in mind. The only reason it may has superior thermal conductivity is because the case is thin, which comes with its trade off: the back won't protect the phone when it comes to impact.

                  Carbon fibre has good puncture resistance, but only when there's sufficient layers. a bullet proof vest requires at least 10 layers + a shock absorbant layer to help maintain the shape, but the impact will still be felt on the human skin and you will get a nasty bruise from the bullet impact site. So, for your phone it's the same, when you drop it against a rock, it won't puncture the case (assuming you have enough layers) but the shock will pass through and your glass back will still get the "bruise" and likely crack.

                  Anyway carbon fibre is sold at a cost of $20/kg, and the true carbon fibre cases are available from the factories at about US$20 to US$30 per case if you get from the China factories at retail prices, or at 30% discount if you wholesale. I know a lot are dropshipped to Europe because most of the people there are willing to pay more as they tend to be out of touch with the actual prices of things.

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                    mooox, 07 May 2022To each their own. I use the soft gel type casing with my s... moreIt's real genuine

                    There's labour charges off £40 and delivery cost

                    £150 for 2mm

                    There's Sony style double copper cooling chambers at £150 for 3mm

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                      • swC
                      • 07 May 2022

                      mooox, 07 May 2022To each their own. I use the soft gel type casing with my s... moreTrue

                      1mm is £70
                      3mm is £110
                      5mm £150

                      Here's the price for Titanium 3mm£18

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                        you have to suffer, 07 May 2022i didnt mean that, why bother adding carbon fiber onto phones?Less heat no throttling
                        Why do Intel i7 , some people use liquid nitrogen, some fans, some use stainless steel 916L , some use mini Air conditioner's, some use copper cooling box, some use metal fins, depends on your budget?

                        90 % have complained about heat and throttling, they are so clueless they blame Snapdragon instead off manufacturers, do you realize s888 doesn't eve use %50 off it's CPU, imagine it did it will blow intel i5 , Arm SOC on Apple laptop using Arm A76 cores is more than enough power for any power users.

                        Why do cars use intercooler, too cool heat down.

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                          77, 07 May 2022I payed £70 for carbon fibre rear back for my S22ultra S... moreTo each their own. I use the soft gel type casing with my s22 ultra coz multiple studies have shown it to absorb shock best. I worry about dropping my phones more than i worry about heat disspation.
                          Carbon fibre is good for its puncture resistance and light weight, but that depends on how many layers of carbon fibre material is used, and also the weave. A single layer of it won't give you most of the benefits of carbon fibre. Imagine a phone back/casing that's 0.8mm thick. Most "carbon fibre" casing/backs on the market are simply plastic casings with a carbon fibre layer over it. A true carbon fibre only back will cost much more than the 70 pounds you paid.

                            77, 07 May 2022Why what's wrong? Sony Pro-i uses double copper coolin... morei didnt mean that, why bother adding carbon fiber onto phones?

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                              AnonD-731363, 07 May 2022Man i tried and no is not. SD695 is absolutely fine. Ru... moreI don't know if your SD695 is overclocked massively, but Genshin Impact stutters on my SD845 and SD855 phones, that I have to literally use a ice pack to cool the phones down to get through cut scenes. my new S22 Ultra SD edition barely gets me through after 30min of intense game play (you can SEE the throttling kick in). I highly doubt a SD695 can match up since it's peak performance can't even match that of a SD845.

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                                • swC
                                • 07 May 2022

                                you have to suffer, 07 May 2022"Tell manufacturers too use titanium or real carbon fi... moreWhy what's wrong? Sony Pro-i uses double copper cooling chambers, Nubia 7 uses fans, why you complain for? So you don't like or want these ? Why you triggered for ? You should be happy thesrs options. Your definitely based in Asia, no wonder you are saying that.
                                I'm in London, anything is possible here.

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                                  mooox, 07 May 2022The manufacturers do use such materials, but people are too... moreI payed £70 for carbon fibre rear back for my S22ultra

                                  Sony Pro-i uses double copper cooling chambers, replacement off Sony back covers are £100

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                                    • mooox
                                    • ucw
                                    • 07 May 2022

                                    77, 06 May 2022No need for that Tell manufacturers too use titanium or ... moreThe manufacturers do use such materials, but people are too poor to afford. If you need to "ask" manufacturers to use such materials, then you probably cannot afford. When the mass market can afford $10k phones, they will use such materials.

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                                      Kangal, 07 May 2022And based on what I know, I think the different materials b... moreI think you missed out 2 key points: 1. Resistance to wear+tear over time (without special treatment). 2. Weight

                                      We won't talk about electrical conductivity, water permeability and working temperature (imagine wood in a working environment with high temperatures or moisture levels).

                                        Kangal, 07 May 2022When it comes to BUILD MATERIAL there are some aspects that... moreAnd based on what I know, I think the different materials behave in each characteristics in a fashion similar to this below.

                                        Cheap Plastics:
                                        A: 5/5, B:5/5, C:1/5, D:4/5, E:2/5, F:1/5, G:1/5, H:1/5, I:4/5 =
                                        = 20 + 15 + 3 + 12 + 4 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1% = 59/100
                                        = 60% Kangal Score (cheap, not good, not appealing)
                                        ______8th / 9 contestants

                                        High-Grade Matte Polycarbonate:
                                        A: 4/5, B:5/5, C:3/5, D:5/5, E:3/5, F:2/5, G:2/5, H:2/5, I:5/5 =
                                        = 16 + 15 + 9 + 15 + 6 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 5% = 74/100
                                        = 74% Kangal Score (cheap, good, not too appealing)
                                        ______2nd / 9 contestants

                                        Resins (Denim, Nylon, Kevlar, Carbon Fibre):
                                        A: 3/5, B:3/5, C:4/5, D:5/5, E:4/5, F:4/5, G:3/5, H:3/5, I:5/5 =
                                        = 12 + 9 + 12 + 15 + 8 + 8 + 3 + 3 + 5% = 75/100
                                        = 75% Kangal Score (affordable, good, appealing)
                                        ______1st / 9 contestants

                                        Leather:
                                        A: 2/5, B:3/5, C:3/5, D:3/5, E:5/5, F:4/5, G:2/5, H:2/5, I:5/5 =
                                        = 8 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 10 + 8 + 2 + 2 + 5% = 62/100
                                        = 62% Kangal Score (expensive, good, desirable)
                                        ______7th / 9 contestants

                                        Wood:
                                        A: 3/5, B:5/5, C:4/5, D:5/5, E:5/5, F:3/5, G:1/5, H:1/5, I:5/5 =
                                        = 12 + 15 + 12 + 15 + 10 + 6 + 1 + 1 + 5% = 77/100
                                        = 77% Kangal Score (labour intensive, great, appealing)
                                        (gold medal, if only the necessary industrial precision is possible)

                                        Cheap Aluminium:
                                        A: 4/5, B:4/5, C:4/5, D:3/5, E:2/5, F:3/5, G:2/5, H:4/5, I:2/5 =
                                        = 16 + 12 + 12 + 9 + 4 + 6 + 2 + 4 + 2% = 67/100
                                        = 67% Kangal Score (cheap, good, appealing)
                                        ______6th / 9 contestants

                                        High-end Metal Alloys:
                                        A: 2/5, B:3/5, C:5/5, D:4/5, E:4/5, F:5/5, G:4/5, H:5/5, I:2/5 =
                                        = 8 + 9 + 15 + 12 + 8 + 10 + 4 + 5 + 2% = 73/100
                                        = 73% Kangal Score (expensive, excellent, desirable)
                                        ______3rd / 9 contestants

                                        Watch-grade Sapphire**:
                                        A: 1/5, B:1/5, C:5/5, D:3/5, E:1/5, F:5/5, G:5/5, H:4/5, I:5/5 =
                                        = 4 + 3 + 15 + 9 + 2 + 10 + 5 + 4 + 5% = 57/100
                                        = 57% Kangal Score (expensive, good, desirable)
                                        ______9th / 9 contestants

                                        Tempered Glass:
                                        A: 4/5, B:5/5, C:4/5, D:1/5, E:1/5, F:5/5, G:4/5, H:4/5, I:5/5 =
                                        = 16 + 15 + 12 + 3 + 2 + 10 + 4 + 4 + 5% = 71/100
                                        = 71% Kangal Score (cheap, poor, appealing)
                                        ______5th / 9 contestants

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