Xiaomi 12S appears on Geekbench

14 June 2022
It's powered by the Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 as expected.

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SShock, 17 Jun 2022How "wrong" I am? You're really going to be ... moreSeems you still have a long way to go. Good luck.

    Mediatek sux, 17 Jun 2022So now that you bothered checking it and found out how wron... moreHow "wrong" I am? You're really going to be saying "gotcha!" over 9 f**king watts of difference in gaming workloads at nearly half a kilowatt of total power draw, all while still delivering higher performance in general and obliterating it entirely with ray tracing on an inferior process node? REALLY? Oh my god the grasping at straws by your butterfinger hands is real. Just shut up already.

      SShock, 17 Jun 2022You keep calling me blind yet you're more blind than S... moreSo now that you bothered checking it and found out how wrong you were, you want to say 'does that even matter?', why is it so hard for you to admit your mistakes? Yes every watt matters in smartphones, which is what we were originally talking about. So now your ignorance is cured, but still cant admit your wrongs. You'll get there, keep trying.

        Mediatek sux, 17 Jun 2022Look up how much better tsmc is by comparing efficiency of ... moreYou keep calling me blind yet you're more blind than Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles combined. And they were pretty blind...

        https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-radeon-rx-6950-xt-gaming-x-trio/

        RTX 3090Ti made on Samsung's 8nm fab node beats RX 6950 XT made on TSMC's 7nm fab node in pretty much everything, even in some very AMD focused games like Borderlands 3 and God of War and gets especially grim when using ray tracing (which, when you buy a 1500€ cards, you kinda do want) while consuming whooping 9W more on average in gaming and 40W more as absolute maximum. Does that even matter when both AMD and NVIDIA cards are pulling almost half a kilowatt at that point? Hardly, especially since NVIDIA cards still give you better performance in the end. Stop pretending you know anything you ignorant and blind joke.

          SShock, 17 Jun 2022Look what up? It's 50 posts you saying how I'm st... moreLook up how much better tsmc is by comparing efficiency of the current nvidia and amd cards. When will you stop being blind?

            Mediatek sux, 17 Jun 2022Instead of looking up those stuff, you focused on that? As ... moreLook what up? It's 50 posts you saying how I'm stupid and you haven't said a single technical thing except endlessly praising TSMC to a point one might think TSMC is doing literal magic. Just get lost your idiocy. Jesus.

              SShock, 17 Jun 2022You keep using words "blind" and "ignorant&q... moreInstead of looking up those stuff, you focused on that? As expected.

                Mediatek sux, 17 Jun 2022So you're just talking about something you dont have m... moreYou keep using words "blind" and "ignorant" and I don't think you even know what they mean, let alone anything else. You've been overclocking things? Wow. Want a cookie for that or something?

                  SShock, 16 Jun 2022That's literally what you're telling I am, withou... moreSo you're just talking about something you dont have much idea of, but everyone else is just dumb, got it. Nowhere did i say tsmc made magic, but that everything qualcomm was able to improve was enabled only due to tsmc.

                  Because efficiency is what matters in mobile chipsets, how could you be so ignorant? I have been overclocking phones for a long time and have seen the clockspeeds and their voltage tables. Sure, it doesnt work whatever way you think im thinking of, but its all enabled by tsmc.

                  So its not because you were ignorant of the efficiency differences of the current gen amd and nvidia cards? Go look those up and see how much better tsmc is. Or keep being blind and ignorant.





                    Mediatek sux, 16 Jun 2022Then tell what exactly those are, you halfwit. I asked for ... moreThat's literally what you're telling I am, without actually talking anything chip related. Like, at all. Except your whole "TSMC literally does magic out of thin air" nonsense.

                    You talk efficiency, yet you seem to have no clue what clock cycle is, what IPC is, you have no clue how overclocking works, what's voltage in relation to clock and how it exponentially increases power draw and heat and how you can't just wave a magic wand and overclock a chip to infinity and beyond (that's not even designed to be overclocked in the first place) or down to how chip is designed and then fabricated at the chip foundry. Chip design is done with chip designer and chip manufacturer together from the beginning. You can't just grab an existing chip blueprint, run with it to a random chip foundry and they'll be churning out chips that were made at Samsung suddenly at TSMC, all in a matter of a single day or a week per your brilliant logic. It frigging doesn't work that way. Jesus christ.

                    I gave you Bulldozer and Pentium 4 examples because they are so obvious even a person like you was suppose to get it, I gave examples of differences between RDNA2 done on TSMC's node and Ampere on Samsung's node and how Ampere cards still beat RDNA2 cards almost across the board at lower clocks and done on "inferior" Samsung's fab node simply because NVIDIA's chip is just designed better (RDNA2 is pretty good too, but not there just yet, maybe with RDNA3). Yet you failed to do even that. Congrats, you're a joke.

                      SShock, 16 Jun 2022My "limited knowledge". I'm clearly not pret... moreThen tell what exactly those are, you halfwit. I asked for those long ago. You still arent telling anything, just the usual 'these people so dumb lmao'.

                      Where did you mention anything about the efficiency of the current gen cards? Thats right, nowhere. You only know about the bulldozer and pentium. Who's lazy now? Keep being blind.

                        Mediatek sux, 16 Jun 2022The redesign (just a simple oc) or whatever you call it due... moreMy "limited knowledge". I'm clearly not pretending I know all the details about chip design, transistors and other detailed electrical engineering, but I damn well know the fundamentals and crap you people write just makes no sense and is borderline laughable. You can't make this s**t up XD. You people seem to think you just wave a magic wand and suddenly things are overclocked or transferred to another manufacturing process. I don't think I've heard anything dumber than that. Especially with mobile chips where tuning is done in microvolts and not millivolts, because it matters so much with such low power chips.

                        Avoiding your mention of AMD and NVIDIA cards? I literally explained it, but it's not my problem if you're just straight up illiterate. Or too lazy to bother reading what people write to your nonsensical posts where you pretend how smart you are all while proving with every post you make you're absolutely clueless.

                          SShock, 15 Jun 2022I give up with this guy. Go learn some basics and stop prai... moreThe redesign (just a simple oc) or whatever you call it due to your limited knowledge, that enables the higher perf and lower power usage is only possible because its on tsmc. Not because qualcomm suddenly got better at designing chips. Still cant go beyond saying the general 'designing' huh? No specifics as expected, you dont know much but sure like to act like a know it all.

                          Still avoiding my mention of amd and nvidia card comparisons huh? Do you feel ashamed for admitting your mistakes?

                            Mediatek sux, 15 Jun 2022And all things you said 3 times are made possible only due ... moreI give up with this guy. Go learn some basics and stop praising TSMC like it's do all fix all god. They have more advanced nodes than others, but you need to frigging redesign the chip to actually be able to manufacture it at TSMC and to even take advantage of it. For f**ks sake. THEN IT'S NOT THE SAME CHIP ANYMORE. How hard is it for you to grasp that? Very apparently.

                              SShock, 15 Jun 2022I literally told you already. Like 3 times. You keep saying... moreAnd all things you said 3 times are made possible only due to the tsmc node. What exactly did qualcomm do again? Cant go into specifics cus you dont know much?

                                Mediatek sux, 15 Jun 2022And i'm asking you what improvments did they do, and h... moreI literally told you already. Like 3 times. You keep saying "yeah, but they are the same thing". No it's not.

                                  SShock, 15 Jun 2022No, improvements were made with chip redesign AND TSMC'... moreAnd i'm asking you what improvments did they do, and how did it allow them to clock the same cortex cores and gpu higher and also reduce power consumption?

                                  "If one could theoretically transplant a chip designed and fabed at Samsung and directly move its production to TSMC, all that would do is improve how long phone could run with single battery charge (because of lower power leakage) and would allow it to run at consistently higher performance with long running loads (lower power leakage means less heat)."

                                  Thats exactly whats happening here. Go read the 8+ gen 1 device's review. The only thing thats changed here is tsmc's more efficient node allows them to clock the chip higher, just like the dimensity 9000 did.

                                  Did you check the efficiency of the current nvidia samsung cards and amd tsmc cards? Or are you still stuck on bulldozer?

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                                      Mediatek sux, 15 Jun 2022And what do you think they tweaked? All the improvements ar... moreNo, improvements were made with chip redesign AND TSMC's better node. TSMC's node did absolutely NOTHING on its own except what I'll describe below...

                                      Because Ampere and RDNA2 are totally the exact same thing... Ampere boosts to around 2GHz most of the time, RDNA cards boost almost to 3GHz yet in most cases Ampere cards are still faster. But they are on Samsung's fab node! Oh noes! You people are so far off clueless it's hilarious. Not only you don't know chip fundamentals, you don't have the basic idea what fab/process node is and how it affects things. All better node does is reduce power leakage and allow potentially higher clocks (if you (re)design chip this way). Which don't just happen magically. Chip needs to be designed with certain leakage included and with defined clocks, something you adjust during chip design and testing of prototypes and ES chips that give you insight how a physical chip on certain node actually behaves and then you tweak it further and move to full scale production. Which, as evident from Ampere and RDNA2 graphic cards comparison doesn't necessarily mean better performance. The same it didn't when Pentium 4 was a thing and it clocked way higher than AMD CPU's yet was barely keeping up and was very hot doing it. Or how AMD's Bulldozer CPU's had 5GHz clocks years ago yet were faaaaar behind much lower clocked Intel CPU's.

                                      If one could theoretically transplant a chip designed and fabed at Samsung and directly move its production to TSMC, all that would do is improve how long phone could run with single battery charge (because of lower power leakage) and would allow it to run at consistently higher performance with long running loads (lower power leakage means less heat). It wouldn't change or affect anything else unless you redesign the chip. People here seem to think you can just throw around chip design blueprints and fabs just churn the chips out the door. Things don't work that way.

                                        SShock, 14 Jun 2022You do realize this is a different chip? Just because it ha... moreAnd what do you think they tweaked? All the improvements are due to the tsmc node. Have you checked efficiency of nvidia samsung node cards to tsmc amd cards?

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