Samsung brings ISOCELL HP3 200MP sensor with smallest ever pixels
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- rusty
- gq6
- 01 Dec 2023
supafly99, 20 Sep 2023just marketing shit.i have the S23 Ultra and i am the first... morelol what.. this is the edge of technology
reducing sensor size opens the door to any other improvement out there.
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- supafly99
- pVE
- 20 Sep 2023
just marketing shit.i have the S23 Ultra and i am the first time really dissapointed by the Camera.1x-3x zoom,in good light the S10+ is equal,in low light the S23U is remarkable better
i have my S10+500GB for 4.5 Years Now and not even 1 time any Problem.With the S23 Ultra Camera,Samsung fu..ed it up,a Disaster,who needs Moon Pics?In daily Life in need 1-3x zoom and in this Range the S10+ is equal,i did really about 100 Comparsion Pics but it is what it is.I tried all diffrent settigs with the camera assistant,but no way for a better quality.For this Price i could buy two laptops,i have the 500GB Version.I had the S7 Edge and was enthusiastic,some with the S10+,but the S23Ultra is IMHO a big fail.i hope with some camera updates they can make it a bit better.Shame on you @Samsung.
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- Anonymous
- tue
- 11 Aug 2022
This type of gimmick still on going huh? I don't even bother to use the 50mp pixel binning mode on my P40 or my X70. It doesn't even improve the quality, a hassle, and a waste of storage.
Why are they so confident everyone will use it?
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- Anonymous
- n1k
- 02 Aug 2022
Extreme level of marketing gimmick. They really go this far for that 200mp number
- SuuperBaka
- q}I
- 28 Jun 2022
Anonymous, 27 Jun 2022Look at this japanese lol keep crying with your trash camer... moreFirst of all, I'm not Japanese. Second, I still don't understand why anonymous people are allowed to comment. Anyways, please explain why it's so amazing that they have the smallest pixel size on a sensor? It must be really good to do so, to have your pixels smaller than the red wavelength.
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- Hey1004
- u8J
- 27 Jun 2022
People who cant make this pixel on their phones are so incredibly mad jealous lol
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- Anonymous
- u8J
- 27 Jun 2022
SuuperBaka, 23 Jun 2022When is Samsung going to reach 0.45 µm? They already beat t... moreLook at this japanese lol keep crying with your trash camera and phone
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- Anonymous
- tSm
- 27 Jun 2022
Image noise: Hello, my friend
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- Anonymous
- yZR
- 27 Jun 2022
"industry’s smallest pixel"
not really something to be proud of... it's like advertising the slowest car, or the smallest TV, or the loudest earplugs...
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- TheWRymesWTheBatman
- D$j
- 25 Jun 2022
Doesn't this short jump from hp1 to hp3, rely indicate how many years Samsung has not released 200mp? Boo ,humbug. The hp1 and 3 should have 16k modes, and the hp3 at least 50fps 8k.
- SuuperBaka
- q}I
- 25 Jun 2022
vrvly, 24 Jun 2022Well, average consumer gets 48mp or 64mp cameras. Surely an... more"Well, average consumer gets 48mp or 64mp cameras"
That output 12MP images at the end of the day.
"Surely any sensor is great for average consumer, but so they tend to buy into ads... Surely what apple and other brands release can can he that "need" of consumers."
It's all about marketing at the end of the day
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- Anonymous
- ib6
- 24 Jun 2022
Still can't see the point of three-digit Megapixel camera sensor unless if you always deal with large prints.
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- TheLastOracle
- vG1
- 24 Jun 2022
Nick Tegrataker, 23 Jun 2022Samsung thought ChameleonCell marketing name clearly wasn&#... moreI am guessing the larger pixel count is meant for allowing for zooming in, without a separate zoom lens, for improving colour noise in the final image (at 50MP or 12MP etc) and overall improved detail. All of those, though, would require a lot greater processing power, lenses that resolve much higher pixel numbers, and improved CFA algorithms to compensate for the small pixel noise. 14-bit image and triple gain, in the sensor sould compensate for some of those. Hopefully if the actual sensor is so small, smartphone makers use lenses brighter than f1.7 (f1.2-1.5). The brighter lens could mitigate some of the noise issues by bringing in more light.
- vrvly
- nin
- 24 Jun 2022
SuuperBaka, 24 Jun 2022"Sensor size and resolution was always a problem, buy ... moreWell, average consumer gets 48mp or 64mp cameras. Surely any sensor is great for average consumer, but so they tend to buy into ads... Surely what apple and other brands release can can he that "need" of consumers.
- SuuperBaka
- q}I
- 24 Jun 2022
vrvly, 23 Jun 2022Sensor size and resolution was always a problem, buy being ... more"Sensor size and resolution was always a problem, buy being a phone, there is a little we can do. What can be done though is to use different approach than full frame cameras, use better sensor tech, stack multiple frames or hi res to low res, etc."
I agree that it's hard to do much on a phone, but that's being worked on. Multi-frame stacking is a great option for sure, but companies are working harder.
"Considering output quality of small pixel size, its matter that Samsung got to solve, and if they do the better for mobile photography."
Considering that it keeps getting smaller, they are making it worse. 200MP with that small of pixel size is just a waste of processing. Sony's approach is much better.
They announced a groundbreaking two-transistor structure which increases signal-to-noise ratio. That is a much better route to take than the 200MP "tiny" pixel size waste of a sensor.
The only use this sensor has is marketing and that's it. Sure having more resolution helps, but in most cases 12MP is more than enough for the average consumer.
- SuuperBaka
- q}I
- 24 Jun 2022
Nick Tegrataker, 24 Jun 2022I agree. As impressive as Samsung's cell isolation tec... more"I agree. As impressive as Samsung's cell isolation technology is, the fact that they keep using it only to shrink down the pixels even further and cram more useless pixels into a smaller form factor is simply depressing. The sensor has a lot to offer (Triple conversion gain and 14-bit HDR output mode are fascinating) but is clearly marred by their own pointless marketing stunt."
This is exactly my point. They have the ability to make the sensor good, but they want to market the high MP count and people are falling for it already (Look at the comment section here).
"I'm definitely curious to see what Sony Semicon will be bringing to the table next year - The two-layer transistor structure is groundbreaking and could allow a signal-to-noise ratio comparable to Micro 4/3rd on a 1 inch or smaller sensor."
That's what I'm hoping to see, that two-layer transistor structure is gonna be implemented on phones first and maybe later on their cameras (I think it would be amazing for the RX series). That's a much better route than what Samsung is doing, it honestly feels like Samsung is just wasting their R&D with this sensor.
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- AnonD-731363
- n$n
- 24 Jun 2022
you have to suffer, 24 Jun 2022even apple still use 12mp sensors, they still make stunning... moreMan if thats so why Iphone 14 will have a 48 Mpix cameras???
Your statement makes no sense.
And 8 and 12 mpix yes processing is important but tthat doesnt means Motorola Frontier for example couldnt make the best photographgy flagship grade device on the market outscoring even that overhyped Xperia for almost 2000 bucks.
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- 6cG
- 24 Jun 2022
Clap my Chungus, 23 Jun 2022Just another higher MP gimmick from sammy, fix your exynos ... morethey do not care about their exystove cpu. while samsung is repackaging sensors with worse quality possible.
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- 6cG
- 24 Jun 2022
AnonD-731363, 23 Jun 2022And apple is stuck with 8 to 12 Mpix because as long as the... moreeven apple still use 12mp sensors, they still make stunning photos. unlike other phones that does over-processing and sharpening from raw 12.5 mp sensor to 50 to 200mp jpeg. it would look worse than oil painting.