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- TheLastOracle
- PEr
- 31 Jul 2022
Nick Tegrataker, 30 Jul 2022While HP3 does have 3 ADCs instead of 2 of Samsung's o... moreInteresting. I wonder if having embedded DRAM, and a processor (ISP), on the Image Sensor, would have helped. Maybe keeping the bit depth at 14-bit and using triple gain from the 3 ADCs would do wonders. Samsung should seriously consider it, with faster write. 14-bit HDR is already there. Like you mentioned, they probably just need to be generous with using all 3 gain levels.
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- Anonymous
- Kx7
- 31 Jul 2022
Zeus, 31 Jul 2022This is next level and a bit excessive marketing.because more people want this phone on global market.if there are more demand
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- Zeus
- rJ7
- 31 Jul 2022
This is next level and a bit excessive marketing.
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- Nick Tegrataker
- Xpf
- 31 Jul 2022
Anonymous, 30 Jul 2022You know the 789 has all this.
Does not mean that OP10 Pr... moreI know IMX789 has all of these features because OnePlus literally said it themselves back when they announced the OnePlus 9 series. Newer OnePlus 10 Pro may OR may not use all the features of IMX789 but we know for sure that those features at least exist because they have been officially confirmed.
Xiaomi, on the other hand, never said a thing about what IMX989 is capable of, and the natural implication here is that the new sensor doesn't support several features present on GN2. At least for now, there simply isn't ANY PHYSICAL PROOF that the new Sony sensor can do what the old Samsung sensor could do. My logic is straightforward enough and it shouldn't be hard for anyone to understand this.
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- Anonymous
- Lkg
- 30 Jul 2022
Nick Tegrataker, 30 Jul 2022When a feature isn't publicly advertised then you shou... moreYou know the 789 has all this.
Does not mean that OP10 Pro uses all these features.
Pretty clear stuff like Dol-HDR is not used.
703 is capable of more than 100fps burst, 13 pro max does not even use AF for burst.
555 can do 4K@120, samsung ignores this option.
21 Ultra came without 12-bit raw, something HM3 supports and it is available for 22 Ultra.
Xiaomi is not stupid to order sensor with less stuff compared to previous, nor compared to low tier phone like 12X that uses 766.
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- Nick Tegrataker
- Xpf
- 30 Jul 2022
TheLastOracle, 29 Jul 2022You're right. Ssung has been widening the dynic rang... moreWhile HP3 does have 3 ADCs instead of 2 of Samsung's older sensors, HP3's one-shot 14-bit HDR output is still based on 2 different gain settings (Either High gain + Low gain, OR, Medium gain + Low Gain). It would've been interesting to see this sensor combining signals from all of its 3 different gain levels and output the image at an even higher bit depth, say 16-bit, but I guess that would've slowed down the readout speed a bit too much.
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- Nick Tegrataker
- Xpf
- 30 Jul 2022
Anonymous, 29 Jul 2022Just be because xiaomi is not using something, does not mea... moreWhen a feature isn't publicly advertised then you should always assume that the product doesn't have one. Xiaomi and Samsung were really open about what GN2 is capable of and advertised every single feature they could back when Mi 11 Ultra was announced. Sony is, on the other hand, going completely quiet regarding the detailed specs of IMX989, and Xiaomi (or Sharp) never mentions dual gain design, one-shot HDR nor staggered HDR on 12S Ultra's product page.
"OP10 Pro does not use many stuff 789 has to offer"
OnePlus describes on the product page of OP9 Pro that uses the same primary sensor as OP10 Pro:
"With a large 1/1.4" sensor, the OnePlus 9 Pro offers exceptional imaging capability thanks to leading technologies including 2x2 OCL, 12-bit RAW, dual ISO, and DOL-HDR"
They advertised all those features.
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- Anonymous
- 3%V
- 30 Jul 2022
Coby, 29 Jul 2022No intention launch it globally then why having a special Q... moreAgree
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- Anonymous
- 3%V
- 30 Jul 2022
Stop praising that phone so much.
1) Its available only in Mainland China
2) Even if you import it, it doesn't have the 4G/LTE bands to run it properly in EU (at least in Germany)
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- Anonymous
- Lkg
- 29 Jul 2022
Nick Tegrataker, 29 Jul 2022Even though IMX989 is a larger sensor, GN2 was MUCH more fe... moreJust be because xiaomi is not using something, does not mean sensor lacks . You do not know the specs because there is no public info. Hard to imagine that 989 lacks stuff that even 766 has.
OP10 Pro does not use many stuff 789 has to offer.
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- walkman8
- 3qG
- 29 Jul 2022
I understand it was your 1st Q&A and I don't care about technical difficulties.
But it turns out that in 20+ mins of the video I've learned nothing that I already knew about 12s Ultra.
And the only question that I didn't know ("does it have social optimization"), you left unanswered because "you didn't understand the question".
What he meant was, when 12s Ultra takes photos via Instagram app, does it use the native cam or it simply screenshots the result from the viewfinder, as it is the case for 99% of Androids? Does it use the actual camera (like iPhones, s21, s22 and foldables) or simply a screenshot of the viewfinder?
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- TheLastOracle
- PEr
- 29 Jul 2022
Nick Tegrataker, 29 Jul 2022Even though IMX989 is a larger sensor, GN2 was MUCH more fe... moreYou're right.
Ssung has been widening the dynic range of its high MP sensor. Like ISOCELL HP1 has a Smart-ISOmode,, using dual gain, simultaneously, to improve noise and thus dynamic range. The HP3 adopts an improved Smart-ISO Pro feature, whereby it uses gain, not from 2, but 3 ISOs. The technology merges image information made from the two conversion gains of Low and High ISO mode to create HDR images. The upgraded version of the technology, used in the HP3 uses a triple ISO mode — Low, Mid and High — that further widens the sensor’s dynamic range, having Triple Gain (such as on the new Alexa35?). It also outputs rhe image at 14-bit, helping push the ability to push workflow, for better grading.
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- Peter UK
- 8mc
- 29 Jul 2022
joshua bonner, 29 Jul 2022I saw a tear down. It’s not a 1” camera sensor like they cl... moreWell yeah so did Sony...
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- Penk2856
- mEf
- 29 Jul 2022
joshua bonner, 29 Jul 2022I saw a tear down. It’s not a 1” camera sensor like they cl... moreNot just Xiaomi, but every other smartphone manufacturers use measurements from cameras from the eighties. Basically, is the diameter of the cathode cylinder you could fit in that sensor.
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- Coby
- bJb
- 29 Jul 2022
No intention launch it globally then why having a special Q&A live?
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- Anonymous
- StU
- 29 Jul 2022
joshua bonner, 29 Jul 2022I saw a tear down. It’s not a 1” camera sensor like they cl... moreIf you mean you watched Jerry rigs, then you didn't watch the teardown properly, because even though he said the physical sensor size is not 1inch , Xiaomi measured the old way...the old photographic way.
So not telling fibs, just using an archaic way of measurement...
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- Nick Tegrataker
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- 29 Jul 2022
TheLastOracle, 29 Jul 2022Is the Ultra only slightly better than the previous year�... moreEven though IMX989 is a larger sensor, GN2 was MUCH more feature-rich and had a lot of good features that would help especially in low light or for shooting videos (Staggered HDR, one-shot dual gain HDR, dual native ISO). This means 12S Ultra loses all those hardware-based goodies from Mi 11 Ultra but does improve on the image processing side which leads to better general still photo quality.
However, when it comes to video recording, the newer model is actually worse at handling complex lighting.
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- Anonymous
- Lkg
- 29 Jul 2022
Anonymous, 29 Jul 2022unless there is some ground up change in design of CMOS, yo... more989 is 30,7% larger than GN2 (11 ultra) and 60% larger than HMX (mi 11).
Differecent between 989 and GN2 is larger than a 1/2.3". Probably the size of a 1/2".