Android launches #GetTheMessage campaign to convince Apple to support RCS messaging

12 August 2022
Apple could adopt RCS and improve the messaging experience for its users.

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Anonymous, 15 Aug 2022Sorry, but Google's RCS implementation is non-standard... moreHe said that it was a protocol, and he is correct. Carrier support isn't needed. You can simply use Messages. Google can't read your messages as they are end-to-end encrypted. Google is working on end-to-end encryption for group messages. Messages is an app. You can use it on an old phone. You don't need to buy a new phone.

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    • 15 Aug 2022

    Ampo, 15 Aug 2022RCS is not an "app" like signal or WhatsApp, it&#... moreSorry, but Google's RCS implementation is non-standard and messy. RCS in itself is just a modernized SMS, having all the features people use for messaging today but without security. Google implemented E2EE few years ago, which already makes it non-standard. Google's E2EE doesn't even work in a group, just for one-on-one conversations.

    Also, carriers NEED to support RCS. If carriers don't support RCS, users have to rely on using Google Message app, which connects to Google's servers, which is Google's intention in the first place. RCS APIs in Android isn't even currently usable by any third-party apps, except for a few key messaging apps. And how about old phones? Not everyone is going to rush in and buy a new phone just to "gEt WiTh ThE tImEs". Maybe Google should fix it first before "shaming" Apple for not supporting it, because it just looks like they gave up making a messaging app, and is indirectly calling Apple for help?

    Which concludes to why should Apple bend over Google's... what? 5th-6th attempt in making a messaging app?

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      • 15 Aug 2022

      RCS is not an "app" like signal or WhatsApp, it's a protocol like SMS/MMS but with the "rich" features of those apps, including iMessage. It is installed on new Android phones everywhere and doesn't require carrier support.

      From a user perspective this campaign surely is about applying pressure on Apple to support the new RCS protocol. Afterall it's better in every way than the unsecured and feature starved SMS/MMS options. That said, from Google's perspective this campaign is a win regardless, if only because iPhone users are being made aware that the poor texting experience they have with other phones is an Apple decision, and not Google's/Androids doing.

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        • Anonymous
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        • 15 Aug 2022

        Anonym, 15 Aug 2022We both know LI is not a matter for public discussion, but ... moreI don't understand what you mean by not a matter of public discussion. People know about lawful interception. It's not a secret. Anyway, it's not about that at all. If GSMA starts working on RCS in 2022, it's very likely that the specification will mandate end-to-end encryption. Implementation is another matter, though. Now it doesn't matter at all because Google supports end-to-end encryption.

          blue, 13 Aug 2022Clearly you haven't even read my last post... The &quo... moreiOS users definitely have a problem. They're the biggest complainers about their messages turning green. And not being able to chat with Android users (which is absurd). And not wanting Android users in group chats.

            blue, 12 Aug 2022I blame Google for this? No, I blame Google for a stupid ca... moreDefinitely not the "first true rich messaging" app. Not sure what you mean by "default app" as that isn't something all manufacturers have ever agreed on. There have been plenty of apps that offered rich messaging but none have been adopted as an industry standard. Apple's proprietary system is just that.. It's not open to everyone.

            Are you referring to 2013 when Apple was thinking about making an Android app for iMessage? Because that is hardly "offering it to Google". They made a very clear decision to keep it an iOS thing. For many good reasons.

            But what good does offering Google iMessage? There's still a hundred messaging apps using SMS/RCS from a hundred different manufacturers.

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              • 15 Aug 2022

              Anonymous, 15 Aug 2022Then it clearly shows that it has nothing to do with lawful... moreWe both know LI is not a matter for public discussion, but there is no need to sugarcoat the pill or deny the obvious.

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                • Anonymous
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                • 15 Aug 2022

                Anonymous, 15 Aug 2022Google: C'mon now, cool kid. Please join our virginite... moresorry is Apple the cool kid as an iPhone user where is that written?

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                  • 15 Aug 2022

                  AppleFanBoii, 15 Aug 2022If the malware / adware, dodgy manufactures and constant sp... moreEnd-to-end encryption is a reason you don't want to use an Android phone? You don't make any sense.

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                    • 15 Aug 2022

                    Anonym, 15 Aug 2022It's written black and white in the standard next to h... moreThen it clearly shows that it has nothing to do with lawful interception. Also, it doesn't matter much if you write it down or not. Even if you mandate it, if carriers don't support it, GSMA doesn't have the authority to enforce it. Anyway, it's irrelevant now that Google's RCS implementation supports end-to-end encryption.

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                      • 15 Aug 2022

                      Anonymous, 15 Aug 2022It has nothing to do with lawful interception. GSMA started... moreIt's written black and white in the standard next to hop-by-hop encryption.

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                        • Anonymous
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                        • 15 Aug 2022

                        Google: C'mon now, cool kid. Please join our virginiteanerds club, puhleeeez.

                          If the malware / adware, dodgy manufactures and constant spying from uncle google isn't enough, here's ANOTHER reason to avoid android.

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                            • 15 Aug 2022

                            Anonym, 14 Aug 2022Indeed, the standard mandates hop-to-hop encryption all the... moreIt has nothing to do with lawful interception. GSMA started working on the RCS specification in 2008. People didn't talk about end-to-end encryption back then. It doesn't matter because Google's RCS implementation uses end-to-end encryption.

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                              • 14 Aug 2022

                              Anonymous, 14 Aug 2022RSC spec doesn't have E2EE as a standard. Google have ... moreIndeed, the standard mandates hop-to-hop encryption all the way from one end to the other, but that is *not* end-to-end encryption. They made it this way because of obvious compliance issues for LI (i.e., the thing E2EE breaks).

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                                • Anonymous
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                                • 14 Aug 2022

                                RSC spec doesn't have E2EE as a standard. Google have it as an extension, aka non standard.

                                  Anonymous, 13 Aug 2022Seriously? You need to be spoon-fed? "To use end-to-e... moreJesus, who stuck a broom up you rear pal? I don't take anything Google offers for granted when it comes to privacy. They don't exactly have a reputation on that. At least not a positive one like ProtonMail or other privacy focused services where such things are expected by default.

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                                    • Anonymous
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                                    • 14 Aug 2022

                                    Oh wow these comments ...

                                    Okay first off WhatsApp isn't secure in the slightest, it's tagged to your phone number and all media in your chats are scanned. It's a joke.

                                    Secondly, Signal suffers from the phone number problem as well. It isn't safe either if you happen to, say, live in Russia or China and disagree with your dictator.

                                    The only thing on this planet currently reliable is the Matrix protocol while connecting under tor on your own hosted home server that's also routed through tor. Or if you're absolutely sure you know who you're talking to, Session is Signal-lite without the phone numbers. I say "lite" bc the security has been nerfed from Signal. If your device gets nabbed, you're done. If your friend's gets nabbed, you'll be fine, however. Session is also open-source if anyone of you here who actually cares about privacy wants to fork it and put Signal's level of security back in, or even greater by entangling it with the Matrix protocol and routed under tor instead of Session's questionable "network of servers". Or leave out Matrix and keep the tor reroute. Up to you. I can't code anything, my calculator from the programming tutorial crashed my pc lmao


                                    Everything else on this planet that claims to be secure is far from it, and may even intentionally be unsecure to let in specific parties in the name of "protect the kids". I think the only bigger pile of bull I've heard in my life is that covid was an actual pandemic.

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                                      • Anonymous
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                                      • 13 Aug 2022

                                      SShock, 13 Aug 2022I LOOKED IT UP. It's just bunch of worthless news arti... moreSeriously? You need to be spoon-fed?
                                      "To use end-to-end encryption in Messages, you and the person you message must both:

                                      Use the Messages app.
                                      Have chat features enabled.
                                      Use data or Wi-Fi for Rich Communications Services (RCS) messages.

                                      Tips:

                                      Text messages are dark blue in the RCS state and light blue in the SMS/MMS state.
                                      End-to-end encryption is automatic in eligible conversations."
                                      https://support.google.com/messages/answer/10262381

                                      Enabling "chat features" is enabling RCS. All one-to-one RCS messages use end-to-end encryption.

                                        Anonymous, 13 Aug 2022Seriously, just look it up. It's not a rumor. It'... moreI LOOKED IT UP. It's just bunch of worthless news articles spanning from now to years back in time with nothing solid and reliable that absolutely confirms it. Not even on stupid Google page for RCS which looks like a PR blog fluff.

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