Mark Zuckerberg says WhatsApp is "far more private and secure than iMessage"
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- DaFink
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- 14 Nov 2022
AnonD-454049, 14 Nov 2022lol you are inhaling serious copium if you think apple is d... moreWell that would be compared to what ever it is your inhaling if you think Apple’s business model is the same as Google’s or Facebook.
They are both Information brokers first, that is to say their main revenue stream depends upon the collection, exploitation and peddling of user data. Apple by contract are a hardware company first and foremost, one that recently has expanded into services.
So whilst I agree Apple collect user data, most of which is anonymised, why would they need sell it? That information is far more valuable a resource to Apple themselves.
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- 14 Nov 2022
Samath N8 808 owner, 19 Oct 2022Oh yeah, well Isreal thinks otherwise... I wonder why. T... morewell israel is the king of surveillance equipment and spyware so almost everything is insecure to them
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DaFink, 19 Oct 2022They may not be reading the messages themselves, but they s... morelol you are inhaling serious copium if you think apple is different to fb or google. all three collect and sell user data. end of story.
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- 19 Oct 2022
Oh yeah, well Isreal thinks otherwise... I wonder why.
To be honest, Corporate always puts themselves first, and in their imaginary world, everything that's connected to Google or Apple or USA is safe, even if they know your whole life inside out, because hey, you're the one who clicked "I Agree".
And now we have Whatsapp call links, click it and call someone and hey, surprise, sextortion calls.
Few opposition leaders in my country have fallen prey to Whatsapp hacking.
Even today this whatsapp begs me to connect data to facebook, and I always click back although I know it might not help in the end.
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- Tanase Adrian
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- 19 Oct 2022
LOL!there is nothing private any more since they have been acquired by facebook!
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- 19 Oct 2022
Anonymous, 19 Oct 2022End-to-end encryption means that the provider can't re... moreThey may not be reading the messages themselves, but they sure as hell are monitoring every single other aspect of your usage within WhatsApp. Like I said, it’s stated clearly in the app privacy report what they collect.
Again, what do you think all that data collection is for? What do you think FaceBook’s primary source of revenue is and has been since day one, and why would such a company wish to operate a service like WhatsApp for free, were not for the purposes of collecting as much data as possible in order to sell later?
Not sure how many times I can go over the same ground with you but Apple’s business model is fundamentally different, and the selling of data isn’t something they need to do. Where as it is at the very core of FaceBook and Google’s business, so forgive me when I take both companies claims of valuing privacy with a pinch of salt.
I know Apple are not perfect, and I do wish they would address the SMS issue somehow. Though again like I said earlier, given Google’s history for just given up on stuff at the drop of a hat, I understand Apple’s hesitation on following a Google lead here. Apple and FaceBook on the other hand have had fundamental differences on how user data is exploited for some time now, so I highly doubt anyone at Cupertino is that concerned over Zucks recent rantings.
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- Anonymous
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- 19 Oct 2022
DaFink, 19 Oct 2022WhatApp is an app, iMessage is not. Messages is the App and... moreEnd-to-end encryption means that the provider can't read your messages. That's the whole point. I don't use WhatsApp, but it's a fact that it's more private and secure than iMessage. Using SMS for chatting is very bad for privacy and security.
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- AnonD-1066415
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- 19 Oct 2022
Zucky wants a cookie.
Or your data (no, not the guy from Star Trek).
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- 19 Oct 2022
Anonymous, 18 Oct 2022That's what iMessage does. It uses insecure SMS when c... moreWhatApp is an app, iMessage is not. Messages is the App and it uses the iMessage protocols when communicating with other iOS devices and standard SMS when not. And yes WhatsApp does not use SMS your right, what it does do though is demand access to a whole host of user data, from financial to health to browsing habbits and more. Oh I wonder what it is they do with all that data, just keep it to themselves I do suppose, Zuck being such a big advocate of privacy and all...
Not sure why this is important to you anyway, if your the same random pop up anon I think you are, then your quite vocal in your disdain for all things Apple anyway, so just crack on with WhatsApp by all means.
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- 18 Oct 2022
DaFink, 18 Oct 2022You don't use iMessage to chat with android users, you... moreThat's what iMessage does. It uses insecure SMS when communicating with Android users. WhatsApp doesn't do that.
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- 18 Oct 2022
Anonymous, 18 Oct 2022why are people even arguing if either whatsapp or imessage ... moreWell, cotton candy would dissolve in the water immideatly, cotton balls provided you put a lot can hold some of the water
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- Anonymous
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- 18 Oct 2022
why are people even arguing if either whatsapp or imessage are safe.... neither are
it's like asking what's a better material to make a dam out of, cotton balls or cotton candy
get a grip y'all
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- Anonymous
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- 18 Oct 2022
by now everyone knows that whatever this guy says about privacy is all nonsense and lies because he cannot go without collecting peoples data which i think should have a in depth look into... i mean if you go to a store and purchase something that doesn't mean the store should attach itself to you recording private info and tracking you so why does this happen when you download a game or an app?? some apps remain stealing your data even after being deleted!!!! this should not happen and something should be done to stop this one sided benefiting where they set traps with apps
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- 18 Oct 2022
Anonymous, 18 Oct 2022Whenever you use iMessage to chat with Android users, you l... moreYou don't use iMessage to chat with android users, you use the messages app to send an SMS. You use the same app to send an iMessage to other iOS users. Try getting the facts straight first yeah. And if Apple didn't care about privacy, then they would have access to a wealth of information they could exploit in a number of ways they currently do not.
Now I agree SMS isn't secure, and Apple could take a gamble that something like RCS is the answer sure. Given who's primarily peddling that though, Google, and their apparent fondness for suddenly abandoning projects, especially those relating to messaging, I understand Apple's skepticism.
And yes iMessage has been a great incentive towards the sales of Apple products, given that they are predominantly a hardware company and not an information broker (think Google and FaceBook), again I understand their reluctance at giving away an ace up their sleeve.
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- yakuzah
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- 18 Oct 2022
Zuckerberg and Security.... lol yeah you sound so credible!
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- Anonymous
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- 18 Oct 2022
You know its a lie when Mark Zuckerberg and Security is on one sentence
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- 18 Oct 2022
so Firefox 106 have webrtc improvements or signal is the way to go, thanks mark
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- 18 Oct 2022
DaFink, 18 Oct 2022'But some you want to accuse Huawei of selling your da... moreWhenever you use iMessage to chat with Android users, you lose privacy and security. Apple doesn't care about your privacy and security. They just want you and your mom to buy Apple phones.
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- Anonymous
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- 18 Oct 2022
chris1998, 18 Oct 2022Probably because iMessage and well as Google message can fi... moreSo Zuckerberg saying that WA is "far more private and secure" is BS.