MediaTek Dimensity 9200 with Cortex-X3 core coming next month

18 October 2022
A new GPU is also expected.

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      salarx, 27 Oct 2022It would probably be - MediaTek Dimensity: Improved ARM c... moreNice addition.
      That actually was the inspiration for me to combine MediaTek with AMD. In this alternate universe/timeline, Nvidia continues their ARM efforts in the Tegra lineup, and doesn't partner with an outsider. And Samsung doesn't partner with AMD since they purchased PowerVR Graphics. Which leaves AMD's RDNA iGPU open for another partner, and I believe MediaTek would be a natural decision, as they're often combating other/lower vendors (Unisoc, RockChip, AMLogic, etc etc) and trying to differentiate from them. Sadly we've lost certain competitors (Allwinner, ST-Ericson, VIA, Broadcom, Marvell, Texas Instruments, etc etc) in the processor market.

        Kangal, 20 Oct 2022Most people don't say that. The X-cores may look impre... moreIt would probably be -
        MediaTek Dimensity: Improved ARM cpu + Custom Ampere gpu.
        https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/07/19/geforce-rtx-arm-gdc/

        We won't see another Tegra GPU before 2025, and that might get cancelled as well.

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          CptBot, 18 Oct 2022Source? Nothing huh? So it's just your personal opinio... moreThe fruit deserves too be deeply hated and even more should R I P

            AnonD-731363, 19 Oct 2022Man even half baked qualcomm midranger chip beat apple on a... moreThere is absolutely NO WAY you are trying to say an Oukitel phone will outperform ANY iPhone, you have got to be kidding me. Once again, I have used android phones for EIGHT YEARS and every one I have ever owned did not perform as good as the iPhone that competed with it. I am not afraid to admit that my OnePlus 7T would get quite toasty whenever I would play games on it. I don't play mobile games often (if ever), but the one game I have played on the current iPhone I own did not make the thing get warm at all. So, like always, nothing you say is based in reality.

              Vikass17, 19 Oct 2022Most people say X cores are so good that A710s feel useless... moreMost people don't say that. The X-cores may look impressive on benchmarks, but so did Samsung's Mongoose cores. There's a big divide between theoretical or synthetic performance compared to practical and real-world testing. Even on the better TSMC-4nm lithography like the QC 8g1+ and MTK d9000, we find them too thirsty and too hot. So they just become unacceptable on the inferior Samsung 5nm nodes. Such as the QSD 888 and Google Tensor 2. Remember, it was the ASUS ROG 1 driving this forward with the overclocked QSD 845, and so for the QSD 855 what they did was to have a Prime core on a separate voltage line and it's own cache. The QSD 865 took this a step further, and we actually saw quiet a bit of early phones thirsty, getting warm then throttling. But it wasn't that bad. The X-cores made this official, and wasn't a good implementation for a phone. It's fine for tablets, and for laptops it's great, but phones are much thinner, smaller batteries, and need to run cooler with passive cooling. Another point is that on AndroidOS we don't have anything that really takes advantage of the Big cores (Cortex-X), pushes them, or requires them, since the Medium cores (Cortex-A7) seems to be adequate and better optimised. Perhaps you can make the case for things like Nintendo Switch emulation or extreme photography like slow-motion, but I've found these things benefit more from having other components upgraded like the iGPU or an on-board flash chip inside the camera system.

              The QC 8g2 and MTK d9100 (or whatever they get called) will have the refreshed Cortex-A715. Based on the (theoretical and often exaggerated) improvements from the designer ARM we have a pretty good idea about them. Same goes for the Cortex-X3 compared to the Cortex-X2. As for the "Cortex-A515" also known as the Cortex-A510v2, they're merely using better lithography and giving them more voltage.

              I agree with the sentiment. Samsung should not have closed down their division that designed processor architecture. Infact, I think they should have gone a step forward and bought Imagination Technologies from the British before it's hostile takeover by China. That would've fixed a lot of issues with Exynos. And then release devices with higher performaning Exynos chipsets like tablets, laptops, and Mini PCs. Slap AndroidOS on them, but allow developers to install a version of Linux OS, and let the community do it's thing. They could've enticed Microsoft, and perhaps gotten experimental builds of Windows10-on-ARM as well. And the same goes for Nvidia, which lost the market in Android Phones but could've found it in the higher-powered niche. They didn't have to wait for Apple to release the iPad Pro, Mac Mini, and the MacBook Pro, to enter this market. Just think we could've had:

              Unisoc Tiger: Stock ARM cpu + Stock Mali gpu.
              MediaTek Dimensity: Improved ARM cpu + Custom RDNA gpu.
              Qualcomm Snapdragon: Custom Kryo cpu + Custom Adreno gpu.
              Samsung Exynos: Custom Mongoose cpu + Custom PowerVR gpu.
              Nvidia Tegra: Custom Carmel cpu + Custom Ampere gpu.
              Apple A-Bionic: Modified BIG cpu + Custom Apple gpu.

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                TheWildShadow55, 19 Oct 2022Man no man you are wrong man all android phones I have ever... moreMan even half baked qualcomm midranger chip beat apple on a long term run.
                try gaming 8 hours on a brand new android device and do the same trhing on IOS what will gonna laggs and overheats faster.
                Answer is pretty simple.
                Apple.

                Once again try gaming Gensin Impact, Diablo, Forza Motosport or Clash of Lords 2 on apple phone for several hours from 100% untill battery gets depleted.
                Phone will start lagging after hour or two and will be so hot you wont hold it in hands anymore.
                Thats said fact.
                Even a SD778 or SD765G will preform better and without laggs and at least the battery will die later compared to apple with worst endurance life when gaming.
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                    Kangal, 19 Oct 2022There used to be more x86 competitors in the 90's, the... moreMost people say X cores are so good that A710s feel useless completely.
                    There are no chips with A715.
                    And there is no A515.
                    Personally I feel samsung should have continued with mongoose cores . Maybe they were making good cores but never tried to give orders to tsmc.

                      AnonD-731363, 18 Oct 2022Man but i am serous and many would agree with me. Man no man you are wrong man all android phones I have ever had man objectively perform worse than iPhone man this is just the facts man a midranger would be absolutely destroyded by iPhone chipset made in the past three years man.

                      That hurt to type. Seriously though, your trolling is hilarious

                        Leonidas, 19 Oct 2022True, it's such a bad move by Microsoft. Imagine Micro... moreThere used to be more x86 competitors in the 90's, the space was much more healthy. And that was the era of Linux OS. Unfortunately, Windows 95 won the market, and x86 manufacturers exited voluntarily or involuntarily, as they fell behind to AMD's superior technology, or to Intel which had a bigger marketing budget. There were some top exec staff shared between Intel and Microsoft, and they've long had a close relationship. It even caused the bankruptcy of AMD when they illegally blocked AMD sales, hobbled 64-bit drivers, and even cancelled the original Xbox console (the Intel-Nvidia version cost Microsoft billions, and their relationship soured with the 360 console). So, yeah. Intel are scum, Nvidia are scum, Microsoft are scum. AMD, ATi, and Ubuntu aren't a saint, they just haven't had the opportunity to behave in a scummy manner.

                        Anyways, Qualcomm did have an exclusive contract with Microsoft. No-one else could make ARM-books with Windows10-on-ARM without a Snapdragon chipset. That's why all the products have been bad: too expensive, too slow. Now? Well the contract ended so we could see alternatives from Nvidia Tegra, Samsung Exynos, MediaTek Dimensity, Unisoc Tiger, or even a RockChip laptop. And as a knee-jerk reaction, Qualcomm recently released the best ARM chipsets for Microsoft, which is scummy behaviour.

                        In terms of competitors from Apple, it's hard to quantify. The M1 is great, the M2 isn't its a mild refresh. With M1 Pro and M1 Max chips offering the best performance and efficiency in the market. Yes, they're all in the same family: A14, A15, A16, M1, M2. And the A13 is not but it's pretty damn close. Even if we take the A13 as an example, it's still better than the QC 8g1+ when you look at the Cortex-X2 cores. Basically Apple did the whole Cortex-X thing before anyone else, and they did it better. Samsung was the second to try, and they did it worse with their Mongoose cores having poor latency performance, which greatly affected their performance, and they had bad efficiency. The Exynos 9825 that was on the Note 10+ was more or less on-par with the QSD 845 we saw on the S9+, wowsers.

                        As for the Cortex-A77 it wasn't an upgrade over the A76. It had slightly better performance, but all the extra performance you're seeing is achieved by extending the thermal curve. The A76 has a higher Performance-per-Area. The A78 was another mild improvement, but at least it achieved greater performance at lower power, so overall efficiency went up. I just don't see the Cortex-X cores being useful, sure they give nice benchmark Scores, but real-life experience so far has been a letdown. The A710 and A715 are letdowns too. And the biggest letdown is the Cortex A515 and A510, which are not better than the Cortex A55 and A53, as they merely trade efficiency for power. Apple's small cores are similar to medium cores, and they've achieved this extra performance while using less power.

                        So yeah, Apple puts pressure on the market.... but you can't compare to them it would be like Apples and Oranges. Remember they control the hardware, software, and the Apps. Things naturally are better due to optimisations. So comparisons will always be flawed.

                          Shadocx, 19 Oct 2022Seeing how most of his comments starts with "Man"... moreI mean saying that mid-range chipsets are better than iPhone ones is just dumb thing to say.

                            Shadocx, 19 Oct 2022Seeing how most of his comments starts with "Man"... moreI can kinda understand other comments but saying ,,mid-range chipsets are better than iPhone ones"... That's literally stupid.

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                              you have to suffer, 18 Oct 2022a new gpu name. the immortalis, what a cool name just hopi... moreARM will always produce mediocre cores, the only way is to wait for Qualcomm NUVIA and custom cores based on ARM architecture.

                              Looks like everyone is better at producing an ARM chip apart from ARM themselves.

                              And ARM's case against Qualcomm NUVIA is doomed to fail.

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                                Anonymous, 18 Oct 2022I hope when Microsoft deal with Qualcomm ends we could get ... moreTrue, it's such a bad move by Microsoft. Imagine Microsoft struck a deal with Intel to exclusively produce X86 cpu that can run windows X86-64. I mean look at Chromebook, Mediatek soc run the show there and QC only supply 7c soc.

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                                  Glenico353, 18 Oct 2022I think you meant A78 since A78 TSMC 5nm has higher perform... moreI mean A77. A77 has substantial performane increase, +20% IPC and +20% P/W over A76, and been proven by SD865. Now, if you look at A77 to A78 and A78 to A710, by Geekerwan graph you can see it trails behind the ARM spec. 865 truly is the greatest 8 series soc, shame it's so expensive back then to the point that Google had to use 765G.

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                                    Kangal, 18 Oct 2022Well we used to have more competition in 2016: - ARM Corte... moreYap, Cortex X is an enhanced version of the Cortex A in the same year. I forgot there's an article talking about the similarities between A78 and X1. Yeah, we're lucky Apple still innovate to give pressure to ARM Cortex, but the thing is, Apple stop innovating for their GPU. Apple is using an enhanced version of A14 GPU on their M1, then put 5 of them in A15, 10 of them in M2, and also the exact same 5 core on A16. So architecturally, they're all the same, now if they also stagnate on CPU, ARM Cortex will be even worse. Imagine if Apple make an equivalent X to A core, now the A core get little improvement, and only the M core get the good stuff. Nuvia in 2019 have a working cores, the only problem is that QC tried to buy them and ARM are afraid of it so they sue them with their licensing rule. Now even the 8 gen 3 rumored to be hsing Cortex core. Sad.

                                      Anonymous, 18 Oct 2022Ios slows down after 6 years. Android slows down after 2-3... moreiOS doesn't "slow down". It's just that hardware gets pretty damn old after 6 years while apps have more crap in them. Phone is as fast as it was when it was new, it's just that it's older and has to run more crap. With Android, that wasn't the case from my experience. Maybe it changed in recent years, but every single phone I had got slow in just 1 year for some reason and factory resets kept them up to speed for a short while. Lets say that was addressed and Android phones would get affected with age same way iPhones do. They don't get slower, they just need to process more crap and more bloated apps.

                                        UltraHD, 18 Oct 2022You can't be serious, can you? 💀Seeing how most of his comments starts with "Man" and all the nonsense he's speaking, I'm seriously wondering if that guy isn't a bot.

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