Apple confirms it uses Sony camera sensors for its iPhones

13 December 2022
Hardly a shocking development, but it's good to have an official confirmation.

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my dream was, apple had a colaboration his creation with sony and htc. Because i love the way htc doing his phone. Htc have a true corning gorilla glass that so hard to break. if they do, i think i am the happiest person in the planet later. Love apple, sony and htc.

    Swaraj, 16 Dec 2022of course I'm quoting information I found online . def... moreSome people on this community here are the worst on purpose, aren't they?
    Playing with words to dismiss Apple's accomplishments with their CPUs.
    Yes, Apple makes "ARM Architectures", but their particular architectures are theirs. People here talking like if they just use off the shelf ARM Holdings designs. If so, if Apple's CPU isn't of their own making, why their CPUs performa so differently from all other Cortex designs?

    And these people probably complained about Job's "reality distortion field".

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      • Anonymous
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      • 16 Dec 2022

      Anonymous, 16 Dec 2022Er well the circumstance that processors are built to suppo... moreI didn't say that modern AMD and Intel CPUs were almost identical. I said that AMD64 and Intel 64 were almost identical.

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        Panino Manino, 15 Dec 2022"found this on Wiki" Seriously dude? I'm t... moreof course I'm quoting information I found online . definitely not doing p.hd. in microprocessors haha 🤣

        I don't know much about cpu structure n all . but apple definitely doesn't have it's own architecture . if it did they would definitely give it a fancy name and scream as loud as they can (lightning cable🤣)

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          • 16 Dec 2022

          Anonymous, 15 Dec 2022You're the one who don't know what you're ta... moreEr well the circumstance that processors are built to support the same instruction set, does not mean they are almost identical.
          I mean, would you also suggest that a Bugatti and a Ford are almost identical and basically the same Mercedes cars, just because they all share their usage of petrol engines and are designed to follow the same traffic rules?
          Yes of course there are common features and the instruction set limits the freedom of design by a certain degree. But that does not necessarily require things to be always implemented the same way under the hood.
          Your instruction set specifies the commands every architecture needs to understand. But the way how this is achieved is completely up to the decision of its designer.
          To once more stress the analogy with cars ... your car needs to be able to stop at red traffic lights and to accelerate at green. Which type of brakes or engine you use to implement this behavior is completely irrelevant and may differ from vehicle to vehicle.
          This also holds for processing architectures sharing an instruction set. Even though they implement the same functionality, the design below may be a whole lot different.

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            • 15 Dec 2022

            Panino Manino, 15 Dec 2022"found this on Wiki" Seriously dude? I'm t... moreYou're the one who don't know what you're talking about. Computer architecture refers to the instruction set. Apple silicon uses the ARM architecture. There is no such thing as Apple architecture because Apple doesn't have its own instruction set. Also, AMD uses Intel's x86 architecture and Intel uses AMD's x86-64/AMD64 architecture. This is common knowledge. Intel's version of AMD 64 is Intel 64. There are some differences, but they are almost identical. Intel implemented a 64-bit architecture called the Intel Itanium architecture (IA-64), but it failed miserably.

              Anonymous, 15 Dec 2022"Apple silicon is a series of system on a chip (SoC) a... more"found this on Wiki"
              Seriously dude?
              I'm telling you, this is a problem, you DON'T know what you're talking about. No, actually, you're not "talking" yourself, you're just quoting information you found written somewhere and misunderstood.

              Yes, Apple CPUs are ARM CPUs, because they use an ARM ISA.
              But the ARCHITECTURE is of their own making.
              By your logic AMD just builds "Intel's x86 CPUs", or Intel just builds "AMD's AMD64 CPUs". Does this sounds right to you?

              Most use off the shelf CPU designs made by ARM, the company, but some just use the ISA and build it themselves, Apple among them. Their CPU cores are very different from standard ARM designs (of course, all CPUs share similarities but it's irrelevant").

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                Incorrect, 14 Dec 2022Wrong, arrogant and wrong. ARM is a design company, that se... moreIt's not wrong arrogant and wrong, it is basically whole mess and manufacturers are wrong and arrogant and especially USA government .. banning Huawei which basically been banned using ''ARM'' based chips or SoCs like why? everyone comes from them and then tweaking it by themselves and You wouldn't believe the most ARROGAN company is actually Qualcomm ... they have law suits literally with everyone
                What apple does is hiding original design chips and components nowadays to claim it is theirs.. Everyone pays to ARM of course and TSMC.. it is all chained up
                And FYI actually ARM is suing Quallcom and want to stop business with them ...

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                  • 15 Dec 2022

                  innovation very much like evolution is random. you can't expect a big company to be most innovative. just like dinosaurs were not the most advanced organism . evolution came from small insignificant animal living in fear. it is okay for apple to not be the most innovative. as long as they respect those who actually create something new and follow them 🙂

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                    • 15 Dec 2022

                    I agree that apple is great as a software company , probably the greatest( but then there is windows phone os, decades ahead of any handheld os of that time ). maybe even as a manufacturer or assembler or designer. but inventor? nah..

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                      • 15 Dec 2022

                      Panino Manino, 15 Dec 2022You don't have much idea of what you're talking a... more"Apple silicon is a series of system on a chip (SoC) and system in a package (SiP) processors designed by Apple Inc., mainly using the ARM architecture"

                      found this on Wiki. do you have any idea how complex processor architecture are ? you can't just invent a new one out of the blue . only new, built from scratch architecture in market these days is AMD's zen architecture used in their ryzen CPUs and RDNA used in their Radeon RX 5000 series gpu .


                      yeah you can say apple gpu is their own gpu . just like you can say adreno is Qualcomm's own gpu and definitely not based on early amd gpu architecture

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                        Anonym, 14 Dec 2022Yes, they have done nothing significant even since iPhone 1... morebro tablet is dead , earbuds are jokes , only practical for hormonal teen , lightening cable are the invention you are going to use to defend a company who has been dominating tech world for 12 years ? 😂😂😂

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                          Marc, 13 Dec 2022Then how to explain that Sony cameras are worse than Apple-... moreThey are not! Have to consider only the flagship

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                            Swaraj, 14 Dec 2022they are not "leading the way" in technology . i... moreHaven't invented anything significant?

                            Ok agreed Apple doesn't invent but for their consumers Apple does make the most refined experience from the technology available.

                            SD865 devices were beat by iphone 11 pro and newer gen Android flagships were plagued with thermal efficiency issues. With 8 Gen 2 the gap is somewhat closed but still it's the Apple's chip that comes on top overall.

                            Cameras? Sure there are way better cameras than iphone, for "pro" photographers who like to compare who's banana is longer.

                            For consumer photography i'd like a camera phone that doesn't crap its pants when I shoot a pic in a 3rd party app (Instagram, whatsapp, snapchat). I don't need a camera that has a different white balance / color rendition when switching between lenses. Or doesn't allow me to switch lens without a 0.5 sec delay or not at all if I'm recording a video. I don't need a camera that either gives a burnt HDR look or use very high exposure value to render me as a "white guy" with blown highlights in background. There isn't not a single device that does all that consistently when light conditions change.

                            Sure airpods weren't invented by Apple nor was the head tracking surround sound in airpods pro.

                            There still isn't seemless connectivity between Android and desktop. Each company has it's own solution and microsoft my phone still has varying success. They haven't even made it possible to reroute a call from a connected android phone to a bluetooth TWS. With all the complicated settings in audio devices control panel.

                            Companies can't even invent their own names for the products they have copied Apple's innovation/design, Airdots? Matebook? 😂

                              Swaraj, 14 Dec 2022"arm basics"?? haha okay ... whatever. cpu archi... moreYou don't have much idea of what you're talking about.
                              You're confusing architecture with ISA.
                              Apple is using the ARM64 ISA but NOT and architecture made by ARM company. Their design is their own, original. Ever since they start using the 64bit ARM ISA they started designing their own architectures. And a few years latter they did the same with the GPUs, first they were using Imagination's PowerVR architectures, but they licensed it, based on it, and they went on their own with their own original TBDR GPU architectures.

                              Don't know about if Apple is adding anything to Sony's CMOS sensors, maybe they just make requests, but I don't think they need the trouble because Sony offers a low of different sensors and what makes the difference is really the software.

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                                • 14 Dec 2022

                                Swaraj, 14 Dec 2022they are not "leading the way" in technology . i... moreYes, they have done nothing significant even since iPhone 1... except, perhaps, converting general computing to ARM and having far better power efficiency while at it. But other than that, they've do NOTHING --- except, perhaps, defining the whole tablet space. But other than that, NOTHING. Ok, maybe they had a thing or two in delivering far better buds thanks to their Air Pods. But other than that nothing! Well... except perhaps pushing Thunderbolt very early on, in what would become now the USB 4 standard. But other than that, and a show how to properly implement security features such as Touch ID and Face ID they've done nothing to the world.

                                I'm sure it's just a coincidence that all that stuff started working after Apple engineering took matters into their hands, must be all the underlying manufacturers *alone* that have all the credit.

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                                  • 14 Dec 2022

                                  So the cameras won't be underwhelming anymore? About time.

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                                    • 14 Dec 2022

                                    Elderman, 14 Dec 2022And the iphone 5s was the first 64 So apple still design t... morenot sure how many or "the-main-brain" still in apple

                                    but nuvia (founded by Ex-Apple CPU design chief Gerard Williams in 2019) sure one of the brain

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                                      Elderman, 14 Dec 2022And the iphone 5s was the first 64 So apple still design t... morethey are not "leading the way" in technology . in fact they have not invented anything significant since iphone 1. you know who's leading the way ? brands like AMD , sony ,samsung , huawei leading the way .

                                      iPhones and MacBook are just hypes that they can maintain years after years . Engrossing people like you and me in a virtual world to make money . like kfc does with their chickens.

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                                        AnonD-1058210, 13 Dec 2022Well not really the tech person who repair iphones since b... moreWrong, arrogant and wrong. ARM is a design company, that sells its architecture designs to Qualcomm (and others), Qualcomm then pays a foundry (TMSC or Samsung) to manufacture the chips which they then sell to other companies (who also pay another company to assemble devices, in many cases) who design user products (phones in this case mostly).

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