New EU legislation can bring back user-replaceable batteries

20 December 2022
The provisional agreement covers everything from phones, through electric scooters to EV batteries and will require recycling and free collection of old batteries.

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  • AnonD-1109594
  • pE7
  • 16 Jul 2023

Please make phones like Samsung Galaxy S5 with user replaceabe batteries and IP67 dust/water resistant (up to 1m for 30 min).

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    • Technologies Galaxy
    • pE7
    • 16 Jul 2023

    Waiting user replaceable batteries 2027.

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      • supes
      • 615
      • 21 Jun 2023

      Start your lame arguments: water proofing and theft resistant. I still will choose the incoming LGV70 v80 next year. Dith the fruit, start from Germany for ignoring their rule.

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        • Anonymous
        • LiQ
        • 19 Jun 2023

        Oh no. Now phones will get bulkier, uglier and will have squeaky plastic back covers. Hello 2003 phones...

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          • bobby
          • 0YD
          • 18 Jun 2023

          Fei, 28 Dec 2022They could do something like LG did back then. Slide on bat... morethe LG G5 was NOT water resistant due to the design.

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            • Sin
            • gA9
            • 29 Jan 2023

            Anonymous, 22 Dec 2022If they do not want removable backs, at least don't gl... moreYeah that's the worsted

            I truly hate the fact that brands purposely glue there own phone shut so they can't be opened and replaced

            Smartphone that are easilyer too open up and replace the battery are a lot better

            But realistically most people are not tech savvy and user replaceable battery's are needed by law

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              • Anonymous
              • 4BZ
              • 15 Jan 2023

              iamadooddood, 15 Jan 2023While I can see this being the phone for a lot of people, I... moreNo other recently released smartphone has this good of a combination of a MicroSD card slot (you'll love cloud storage that much more when or if you have to format your MicroSD card), Dual SIM, a *R-U-G-G-E-D* body, an IP68 rating, a *S-W-A-P-P-A-B-L-E* BATTERY, and a powerful chipset. Whether you use half those features or not, you should be more content that it has them even if you don't use them. I'm sure the battery life can work out. Besides, no other smartphone that got released recently has that big of a removable battery. None. You have all of these options, half of which you don't even use, yet you're still not happy.

              (It seems I have to log in to edit my comments.)

              I tell you about a phone with a removable battery, and you insinuate its battery isn't sizeable. “Who cares” if it's “small” if you can just *S-W-A-P* it out?

              There may also be battery cases available. If not, it still has a swappable battery.

              I point out one detail about the cameras because you seem like a person who would complain about it, yet you ramble on about it, as if I insulted your mother. That point about a decent camera is obvious and a waste of your virtual breath. How many times do I need to flush to get rid of you?

              You also thoroughly ignored that it has a USB-C 3.2 charging port and a rugged body.

              Over time, MicroSD card usage has markedly decreased on smartphones because companies have expanded the options of storage available to consumers. The headphone jack usage on the smartphone is also confidently decreasing as wireless options have increased. You can still use USB-C headphones, as long as you're not charging your smartphone at the same time. A simple Y cable can solve that issue if you want to listen to music and charge your phone at the same time. Eventually, you'll need to plug your battery case to charge and put it back on. As you're a power user, the phone might not charge very much with just a battery case than if you can charge the phone directly and, as a result, you might have to charge the phone at that time anyway. With that said, only the minority still want the removable battery. Separately, I hardly ever know people who use RUGGED style cases to protect their phone; they use standard cases that work just fine. Furthermore, I also never know people who use battery cases either. None of these features are nearly as universally wanted as you blindly think.

              You simultaneously care about features while not using them at all.

              The people who keep moving the goalposts because they fear loss are just pathetic. I mean, what smartphones are you even talking about when you say there are better smartphones for you? I literally suggested the best option that encompasses a rugged body, a removable battery, a fast USB port, and a powerful chipset [and others, if you want].

              Keep talking, someday you'll say something intelligent.

                Anonymous, 15 Jan 2023You'll probably agree with most of the complainers tha... moreWhile I can see this being the phone for a lot of people, I know of better phones for me. I don't even use half of those features and I don't care how many useless cameras a phone has as long as the useful ones can do a decent job which is pretty much every smartphone camera these days. And personally I cherish a large battery a lot more than a removable one.

                However, like I said, I also support even the features I don't use but others do. In my opinion, the bigger problem is people on the other side of the camp constantly saying "old bad new good" or "who cares".

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                  • Anonymous
                  • 4BZ
                  • 15 Jan 2023

                  iamadooddood, 08 Jan 2023Waiting 30 minutes to transfer 15 MB of data compared to wa... moreYou'll probably agree with most of the complainers that the XCover 6 Pro can is one of the most convenient smartphones that they have seen online. Let's quickly run down its advantages so you can see how all-encompassing it can be.
                  ✓Optional DUAL SIM
                  ✓DEDICATED MICROSD CARD SLOT FOR EXPANDABLE MEMORY
                  ✓3.5MM HEADPHONE JACK
                  ✓RUGGED and IP68 RATE
                  ✓REMOVABLE BATTERY WITH MARKET DEPENDENT CHARGING
                  ✓Fast USB Type-C 3.2 data TRANSFERRING speeds, with charging connector PINS
                  ✓IPS LCD so NO BURN-IN or FLICKERING
                  ✓No "Useless" DEPTH or MACRO
                  You need to stop complaining when there is this phone for you. Bye.

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                    • NotYourMama
                    • mFd
                    • 11 Jan 2023

                    iamadooddood, 08 Jan 2023Waiting 30 minutes to transfer 15 MB of data compared to wa... moreI understand. Let's try to agree to disagree on a few questions...

                      Anonymous, 03 Jan 2023Wireless charging is way more efficient to me. My wireless ... moreWaiting 30 minutes to transfer 15 MB of data compared to waiting less than 30 seconds is not "a smidge" faster. And needlessly wasting time is supposed to be a virtue? You remind me of the skit from That Mitchell and Webb Look where Colin takes forever to use Bluetooth or email just to give Ray someone else's phone number rather than spend a few seconds simply reading it out.

                      "I'd rather have a quality battery that's more efficient than a giant inefficient battery that uses up way more energy per watt than a smaller, better quality one."
                      Perhaps. But when they're of the same efficiency (and I've used high quality battery cases) then clearly the battery case is better. And even if I have to use a power bank, I'd rather use one large one than several smaller ones. Of course, the phone itself having a larger battery would be the best solution of all. As a very heavy user, 5000mAh is hardly enough for me to last half a day.

                      "I don't see why you still prefer wired charging?"
                      I prefer wired to wireless mainly because with wired, I can still use the phone and move it about while it's charging (I do use the phone in bed, and have fallen asleep while still using it). Wireless doesn't give me that. When it's in my bag or pocket or whatever where obviously I'm not using it, I agree that wireless would be better than wired. (But then, battery cases don't charge the phone with wires either.)

                      "Look at all the people who may complain about certain phones being too thick. Look harder."
                      I have, and they're the same people that complain if the screen is flat instead of the curved screen, or if the back is made of anything other than glass, both of which are supposed to look and feel "good" and "premium". Companies are slowly but surely convincing people that expensive designs that add zero practical value and often compromise the phone's functions are supposed to be "good", and they've had quite the success. I've seen far too many people who don't use rugged cases drop and break their phones and either spend money on repairs, or a new phone outright (both of which add to the e-waste problem), and they're more than fine with it. It's practically brainwashing.

                      Not a single person I saw who complained about the headphone jack's removal from the Fairphone 4 or the mute switch's removal from the OnePlus 10T accepted the thickness reason. And honestly they're all tired of the "old bad new good" or "who cares" people from the opposing side. You yourself are saying the headphone jack is outdated even though the best wireless headphones still can't catch up to the quality of wired buds less than half the price, and the mute switch is no big deal even though it was the last reason left to even bother with OnePlus phones. I on the other hand still support microSD card slots even though I've never used one, because a lot of other people still use them, and I'm reminded of the "First they came…" poem, which reminds me that if I don't defend features I don't use, there'll be no one left to defend features I do use. Besides, all those stories concerning companies locking accounts for no reason and locking cloud storage access have not convinced me of their utility.

                      "If your phone still has 80% battery after 2 years, it's no excuse to replace it."
                      On what premise do you assume I do that? The last time I replaced my phone's battery was when it expanded and damaged the phone's back. My point was merely that, people who would do that for a phone with user replaceable batteries, would do the same for the entire phone if it didn't have user replaceable batteries. It's trivial to see which scenario creates more e-waste.

                      "TY. I didn't know that. It doesn't show the option to edit when I do."
                      Are you on mobile? If you are switch to desktop mode.

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                        • Anonymous
                        • 4BZ
                        • 03 Jan 2023

                        iamadooddood, 02 Jan 2023So exchanging e-waste which may occur every few weeks or mo... moreWireless charging is way more efficient to me. My wireless charger has never failed me. However, my wired chargers and my phone ports have failed me. It's similar to MicroSD cards and cloud storage. It doesn't matter that data transfer over it is a smidge "much faster", when you watch YouTube videos, check Instagram, Call, Text, all wirelessly (on your end at least) without an issue. If you lack the patience to wait, maybe you need work on your emotions a little better. That way you develop better patience.

                        Battery cases are suboptimal. I say that as a fact, not an opinion. I'd rather have a quality battery that's more efficient than a giant inefficient battery that uses up way more energy per watt than a smaller, better quality one. In any situation, this can mitigate the energy that gets lost in wireless charging for efficiency I think. Take the small cake with its blessing, not the big cake with its curse. Some phones already have such big batteries and suboptimal features for the price if smaller quantities are complete deal breakers for you (or way too much of at least).

                        Apart from from everything else of course. I prefer wireless charging way more. It's more reliable, safe, durable, less hot, and it can turn off automatically once your phone charges overnight. Auto off can save energy, safer charge, and less overheating on your battery. Sure, 20% of the energy is wasted in your phone as it charges, but the reliability of it is consistently good. Can't say the same for cables. Also, wireless charging mean less wear on cables if you'll ever need them. Wireless chargers only need one that lasts. Many public places may offer it as it's more secure than plugging an unfamiliar cable into your phone. Qi Wireless charging is universal, which means it's compatible across iPhones and Androids alike! The pros of going wireless outweigh the cons more than going wired, so I don't see why you still prefer wired charging?

                        I don't and so many others. Look at all the people who may complain about certain phones being too thick. Look harder. That's probably because they are also unusual. They want those cases. I don't think many people even get rugged cases that big. It's unnecessary. You don't have to sacrifice durability if the build quality is great. Maybe companies realized we're past the point of outdated headphone jacks on flagships, so they're offering wireless options instead. However, they still keep their much cheaper phones with headphone jacks. Probably because the people who buy those phones can't afford wireless and there would be huge backlash. Also, the excluded switch isn't that big of deal. The whole reason you buy a case is to KEEP IT ON! It's so simple! Even an idiot can see that!

                        If your phone still has 80% battery after 2 years, it's no excuse to replace it. My G7 play still has 87% capacity after more than three years. It's still good. I don't see why you need to get a whole new battery if your previous one is still working just fine. In fact, I wish it had better software updates because I can use the newer features without having to replace the phone sooner. Companies probably made their batteries to last long. That's probably what those stats want you to believe, and you'll never know when they're going to screw you over. I'll never have to worry about it nearly as much when buying from the real deal.

                        However, we're talking about now, when phones have just one battery, not many years or so into the future. I do agree with that kind of solution. Sounds inventive.

                        TY. I didn't know that. It doesn't show the option to edit when I do.

                          Anonymous, 29 Dec 2022Flossy Carter is a huge proponent of wireless charging. In ... moreSo exchanging e-waste which may occur every few weeks or months or years for constant energy being wasted due to charging wirelessly instead of wired. Wireless charging is still a lot less efficient than wired charging. Wireless charging also doesn't mean that you go entirely wirelessly. Data transfer from phone to PC (or Mac) and back is still much faster wired than wireless. I'd rather not have to sit through another half an hour just to transfer a 15 MB file.

                          Honestly, both power banks and battery cases are suboptimal solutions, even if we disagree on which one is less suboptimal. I'd rather have a giant battery or two inside the phone itself, which is far more energy efficient. I'm not necessarily expecting Oukitel WP19 levels even if that (or even more) would be ideal to me; maybe 10000mAh will do.

                          "It's convenient because you just place your phone down without scrambling to get the wire that you said you hate."
                          Only in the context of power banks, and that is against battery cases, not wireless charging power banks. Other than this and the charging port being broken, I prefer wired charging in all other situations.

                          "They make your phone as thick as brick and no one wants that."
                          I do, and I'm far from the only one. Rugged cases make the phones similarly thick and I've seen no one complain about them when using them. I find that it's just the OEMs pushing thin phones so that they can use it as an excuse to remove features like the headphone jack (Fairphone 4) and the mute switch (OnePlus 10T). And even if you really don't like thick phones, just remove the case when you're using it, and put it back when you're not.

                          "Lastly, I see no real point in making your phone susceptible to just any faulty replacement battery. Even after 4 years and it degrades, you can just get a new phone."

                          As opposed to the current situation where people replace their phone the moment the battery degrades? Rather than replace just the battery, they're replacing both, and at the same frequency. And lemons happen all the time, even when you're buying official replacements. And even if they're unofficial, that doesn't mean they're worse. People often buy 3rd party cables and chargers which are often better than the official ones.

                          "It's also annoying when you're in the middle of something just to power off your smartphone to swap the battery."
                          I can foresee future smartphones having two identical batteries to mitigate that, where you can remove one battery and the phone can still function with the other.

                          P.S. You know you can edit your posts within 10 minutes of posting them, right?

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                            • Necromancer
                            • aks
                            • 02 Jan 2023

                            :D

                            You have to understand.... The replaceable batteries not for the everyday usage (but it can be useful in that case too....) replacement (flat battery) but when you have to change your battery because it have been worn out.

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                              • Anonymous
                              • 4BZ
                              • 29 Dec 2022

                              iamadooddood, 29 Dec 2022In my experience, wireless charging power banks are more tr... moreThe only reason you'd probably go chunky is for utility, such as Cat or Ulefone or Doogee.

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                                • Anonymous
                                • 4BZ
                                • 29 Dec 2022

                                iamadooddood, 29 Dec 2022In my experience, wireless charging power banks are more tr... moreIt's also annoying when you're in the middle of something just to power off your smartphone to swap the battery.

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                                  • Anonymous
                                  • 4BZ
                                  • 29 Dec 2022

                                  iamadooddood, 29 Dec 2022In my experience, wireless charging power banks are more tr... moreI also didn't really look over my comment but whatever.

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                                    • Anonymous
                                    • 4BZ
                                    • 29 Dec 2022

                                    iamadooddood, 29 Dec 2022In my experience, wireless charging power banks are more tr... moreAnd I mean replacing the battery faster than your phone.

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                                      • Anonymous
                                      • 4BZ
                                      • 29 Dec 2022

                                      iamadooddood, 29 Dec 2022In my experience, wireless charging power banks are more tr... moreFlossy Carter is a huge proponent of wireless charging. In fact you can say it means less e waste, as there are fewer wires in your way. It's convenient because you just place your phone down without scrambling to get the wire that you said you hate. You either charge wired or wirelessly, where battery cases make no difference. Oh wait, they do. They make your phone as thick as brick and no one wants that. Besides, there are many things to save the battery. Also when you use your phone while it's charging, it can get hotter which slows it down, so no point in playing long, demanding games well. Lastly, I see no real point in making your phone susceptible to just any faulty replacement battery. Even after 4 years and it degrades, you can just get a new phone. It's less demanding too because the lithium based batteries use are made with rare earth minerals. Replacing your phone every few years vs your battery is likely to set you as a consumer back as well as the company and environment. Also, I charge my other iPhone SE wirelessly no problem, as my lighting chargers simply wore out and do not work any more.

                                        Anonymous, 28 Dec 2022Other services are already available on Android devices. Wh... moreIn my experience, wireless charging power banks are more trouble to use than battery cases, and less efficient too, due to it being wireless charging. And are you trying to tell me that discharging and charging doesn't happen at all when charging with a power bank? Because I'm absolutely not buying that.

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