Apple's 3nm chips kick off mass production next week at TSMC
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OhNom, 27 Dec 2022"Incorrect. That graph shows the 888 consuming 9,244 j... moreEfficiency reference the output of things while maintaining the optimal entropy. Using resources well doesn't mean having a great output always.
And don't ever try to compare different types isa. They're internally different. Cisc tend to be overpowered architecturally by a great great margin.
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too much haters
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Amomus, 27 Dec 2022that is a kid math...is like saying intel i5 is more effici... moreIts a laptop, not smartphone, no one cares about efficiency crap. People want power speed torque.
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DMX, 27 Dec 2022Analysis of 2021 hahahaha we are almost in 2023 you are sti... moreYou literally did nothing, the difference between what you put in and what he put in is 1%?
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joe nodden, 26 Dec 2022Wrong. That chart shows the 888 as consuming 9244 joules of... more"And thanks for the graph, by the way, I had no idea where to find one to test my theory, but you just gave me one. 👍"
By the way, the source is Anadtech, it does good analysis
No problem
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16463/SPEC-power-energy.png
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joe nodden, 26 Dec 2022Wrong. That chart shows the 888 as consuming 9244 joules of... more"Incorrect. That graph shows the 888 consuming 9,244 joules of power to produce a score of 4.48. This is a less efficient use of power than the 870 which consumed 7,931 joules of power to produce a score of 3.94.
The 888 produces 0.00048463868 points per joule.
The 870 produces 0.00049678476 points per joule. "
If actually I just took it and didn't check it, it looks like you made a mistake
"In fact, you're also forgetting that the 870 was one of those last-ditch efforts to get more performance out of the same chip, since it's just an overclocked version of the 865. Which means it's less efficient than it normally would have been under the right conditions." . terms.
And it shows, since the 865 produces 0.000539200961 points per joule. 2"
You should keep this in mind, as if 870 were to be overlocked even more likely it would fall below, but not the case here.
"Maybe you're confusing terms, like benchmark scores ≠ efficiency. Efficiency is how well you use your resources. Or how much performance you can get per unit of power in this case. And efficiency is the most important thing because phones are devices which are meant to use minimal amounts of power due to not having the ability to use large batteries and not having the ability to properly dissipate heat from things like the 888 which draw more power and therefore produce more heat. If power efficiency wasn't a concern, we'd be putting i9-13900K in phones and getting 5 minutes of battery life while burning our hands with fourth-degree burns."
Yes, it's totally the case, but as you know, lower consumption doesn't always give higher efficiency, and the main point in phones is not to consume little power, but to finish the task quickly, which leads to low consumption, consumption The total load of A14 was 10W, 10% higher than what would be 888, but we know that much more efficient, that is the same consumption as i5-8350U in Configurable TDP Drop
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- 27 Dec 2022
joe nodden, 26 Dec 2022If it were entirely the real thing, the 870 wouldn't b... moreIt was not designed well, the clock speed was increased and they used Samsung node which is not as good as TSMC
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Anonymous, 26 Dec 2022Actually we don't know how 3nm fares. 5nm TSCM was as ... moreBut in the end it would still be better even though it's a little bit
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Anonymous, 26 Dec 2022I‘d like to believe so but from the sources I‘ve seen, it h... moreIt's not as worse as u make it sound because the major difference compared to the M1 is the increased clock speed which can make it less efficient but the efficiency difference is very little
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AnonD-1078067, 27 Dec 2022Oh they gave it away anyways, iPhones are made in India now... moreAre you sure you know what you are responding to?
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autocascading, 26 Dec 2022The EU is forcing them.Really? In which universe?
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Elderman, 27 Dec 2022Unfortunately this is the reality, people cannot even resol... moreIt is ju simply exchange of different opinions 🤷♂️ garena got popular so many ppl comes here but yeah mostly little boys talks sht here so don't interact with "anonymous"
Girls don't come here whatsoever ..
Girls find this site boring and pathetic they don't buy tech because they gonna talk about some SoC or 4 or 3 nanometers 🤷♂️😀 they don't give a sht
Women buying things based on popularity marketing and advertising and nice looking things .. Little boys here pathetically fighting here over some unimportant things like that os or this chip or that ram.. It is so pointless and meaningless. I am like girls or women I chose things with elegant style and design and with very good quality and decent price .. Not stupid overpriced
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Elderman, 27 Dec 2022Unfortunately this is the reality, people cannot even resol... moreIt is ju simply exchange of different opinions 🤷♂️ garena got popular so many ppl comes here but yeah mostly little boys talks sht here so don't interact with "anonymous"
Girls don't come here whatsoever ..
Girls find this site boring they don't buy tech because they gonna talk about some SoC or 4 or 3 nanometers 🤷♂️😀 they don't giv fuck
Women buying things based on popularity marketing and advertising and nice looking things .. Little boys here pathetically fighting here over some unimportant things like that os or this chip or that ram.. It is so pointless and meaningless. I am like girls or women I chose things with elegant style and design and with very good quality and decent price .. Not stupid overpriced
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- 27 Dec 2022
All about money .. Tsmc gets nice huge 💰 from 🍏 so of course they celebrate ..
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Aspros, 27 Dec 2022Apple may have totally forgot everything about hardware inn... moreChips are hardware
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Amomus, 27 Dec 2022ios will never be android..there is no need ,there is no l... morePeople don’t understand what open OS means compared to open app store for third party.. why you even bother to come here, is not worth it
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Amomus, 27 Dec 2022that is a kid math...is like saying intel i5 is more effici... moreUnfortunately this is the reality, people cannot even resolve whats the most efficient soc with simple 3 rule math
I very rarely come here because are more kids than grown man. I even found a lot of kids that are very educated..but not here
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- 27 Dec 2022
Apple may have totally forgot everything about hardware innovation, but they are consistent at improving those chips. however it would be extremely interesting to see how would they perform in a different os
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Amomus, 27 Dec 2022that is a kid math...is like saying intel i5 is more effici... moreEverything you just said is halfwitted.
"is like saying intel i5 is more efficient than i9" No it's not, not at all. And I don't even know if that's the case. Not that it matters. I already explained why efficiency matters here. Chip architectures should only get more efficient. And SoCs should only get more powerful with the same or less power draw. Or if they do consume more power, they should have the efficiency to justify it while not producing enough heat to burn your hands like the 888 and 8 Gen 1. I mean I already said "If energy efficiency was not a concern we'd be putting i9-13900K's in phones and getting 5 minutes of battery life while giving our hands fourth degree burns." So why are you comparing smartphone SoCs to desktop CPUs.
"Is more efficient to draw 20W but finish a project in 30 min than draw 15W and finish the same task in 1 hour. Its 101 math" Wow Sherlock, you realized that consuming 50% more power to complete the same task is less efficient! Now why don't you realize I'm correct and this does absolutely nothing to disprove my point. Or are you so clueless on the subject that you don't know the difference between watt hours and watts, and thus just mixed them up? They are not the same. If you're consuming 20W for a half hour that's only 10Wh and 15W for 1 hour is 15Wh. So the latter scenario would consume 50% more power for the same task. Even if you did use Wh instead, this goes back to the whole "putting i9-13900K's in phones" thing.