Apple's 3nm chips kick off mass production next week at TSMC

26 December 2022
TSMC seems to be right on schedule to deliver future MacBook and Mac chips.

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joe nodden, 26 Dec 2022Wrong. That chart shows the 888 as consuming 9244 joules of... morethat is a kid math...is like saying intel i5 is more efficient than i9 but
only if you do non stop project manipulation at mid to heavy load is this true
otherwise, if the faster chip consume more power in 1 hour project but it finalised that project in half of that time, then you have to take that into account and measure to the power outlet the whole SoC. Is more efficient to draw 20W but finish a project in 30 min than draw 15W and finish the same task in 1 hour. Its 101 math
I really hoped here on this site, people grew in the mean time and learn math, science ,law of physics but it seems grown man leave this place and kids are coming in. I will check again in 2 years this site again, who knows

    autocascading, 27 Dec 2022ios, not macosios will never be android..there is no need ,there is no law
    ios will not be opened only if Apple wants to or if android is removed completely

      autocascading, 27 Dec 2022EU - Digital Markets Act - March 2024 - Third party app sto... morethird party app stores is completely different than open the software, in this case iOS
      Stay in school and learn the difference

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        blue, 26 Dec 2022And why exactly should they do it?Oh they gave it away anyways, iPhones are made in India now, India don't have copiright on soft goods. that's what they do people go to jail when they do not pay for Autodesk, Altium, Adobe and stuff. Uglyheads should nott do that, police ll finduot.

          Anonymous, 27 Dec 2022Software is already open. Sideloading on a Mac is possible ... moreios, not macos

            Amomus, 26 Dec 2022No, they are not..they force to have usbC as a charging por... moreEU - Digital Markets Act - March 2024 - Third party app stores.

            Google it.

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              autocascading, 26 Dec 2022Will be great when they are forced to open up their software.Software is already open. Sideloading on a Mac is possible since a long time. Maybe app devs are lazy to optimise their apps for Mac

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                Amomus, 26 Dec 2022intel is dust, from the nr1 that it was 5-6 years ago, now ... moreI think 3nm is reserved for M3 Pro and not M2 Pro contrary to news reports

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                  • 27 Dec 2022

                  Here we go again 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️ comparing ARM architecture to X86 architecture 🤦🏻‍♂️ you people are clueless 🙄

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                    Anonymous, 27 Dec 2022https://www.canalys.com/newsroom/global-pc-market-Q4-2021 ... moreAnalysis of 2021 hahahaha we are almost in 2023 you are still a few years far behind!! Now look what I put you and update yourself!! Lenovo is the world leader in PC sales, especially laptops.

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                      Anonymous, 27 Dec 2022https://www.canalys.com/newsroom/global-pc-market-Q4-2021 ... morehttps://files.merca20.com/uploads/2022/04/venta-de-PC-2022.jpg

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                        Anonymous, 27 Dec 2022https://www.canalys.com/newsroom/global-pc-market-Q4-2021 ... morehttps://www.pulzo.com/economia/cuales-computadores-portatiles-vendidos-mundo-PP732620

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                          DMX, 26 Dec 2022I think you are a decade behind my friend! Now, if you... morehttps://www.canalys.com/newsroom/global-pc-market-Q4-2021

                          These 3 had 62.3% of computer marketshare in 2021.
                          HP with 21.7%, as #2.


                            OhNom, 26 Dec 2022https://images.anandtech.com/doci/17032/SPECint.png 888 ... moreWrong. That chart shows the 888 as consuming 9244 joules of energy to produce a score of 4.48. This is a less efficient use of power than the 870 which consumed 7931 joules of energy to produce a score of 3.94.

                            The 888 produces 0.00048463868 points per joule.
                            The 870 produces 0.00049678476 points per joule.

                            From an energy efficiency standpoint, the 870 is more efficient than the 888.

                            In fact, you're also forgetting the 870 was one of those last ditch efforts to get more performance out of the same chip, as it's just an overclocked version of the 865. Which means it's less efficient than it would normally have been in proper conditions.

                            And it shows, as the 865 produces 0.000539200961 points per joule.

                            Maybe you are confusing the terms, as benchmark scores ≠ efficiency. Efficiency is how well you utilize your resources. Or how much performance you can get per unit of energy in this case. And efficiency matters the most because phones are devices that are meant to use minimal amounts of power due to not having the ability to use large batteries and not having the ability to properly dissipate heat from things like the 888 which consume more power and thus produce more heat. If energy efficiency was not a concern we'd be putting i9-13900K's in phones and getting 5 minutes of battery life while giving our hands fourth degree burns.

                            And thanks for the chart btw, I had no idea where to source one to prove my theory but you just gave me one. 👍

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                              Anonymous, 26 Dec 2022HP is #2 world marketshare. Lenovo, HP and Dell have ov... moreI think you are a decade behind my friend! Now, if you're talking about printers, I think so, laptops, Lenovo, Dell, Apple and Asus take the cake!

                                joe nodden, 26 Dec 2022If it were entirely the real thing, the 870 wouldn't b... morehttps://images.anandtech.com/doci/17032/SPECint.png

                                888 is more efficient than 870, but consumes more power, maybe you are confusing the terms

                                  Amomus, 26 Dec 2022ignore him, that reply show that has no knowledge and its h... moreHe's actually correct. That's why Intel renamed their nodes
                                  10nm ➡️ Intel 7 > N7
                                  7nm ➡️ Intel 4 ~ N4
                                  7nm+ ➡️ Intel 3 ~ N3
                                  5nm ➡️ Intel 20A ~ N2

                                    George399, 26 Dec 2022Not every nanometer process are equal. For example a 5 nano... moreIdk about the example you gave but the first bit is true and it's why what the other guy said isn't true.

                                      Amomus, 26 Dec 2022that is not even true, what are you talking aboutEvidence?

                                        Anonymous, 26 Dec 2022Below i9 gen13intel is dust, from the nr1 that it was 5-6 years ago, now its behind Apple and Amd
                                        Intel needs just more power , to be hot as hell to gain 20% performance because they cannot innovate anymore, the brains left that company way back
                                        How do you even know that? 3nm M series are not even out, probably 6 months away..stop being a fanatic

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