Panasonic announces LUMIX S5II and S5IIX cameras with phase detection autofocus

04 January 2023
The company's first mirrorless cameras to use this feature.

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Marees, 06 Jan 2023This comment from 2 years ago says that Sony doesn't s... morePanasonic clarifies:


Basically, the processing engines weren’t able to adequately compensate for potentially missing data that the sensor couldn’t see due to PDAF sensors taking up space on the image sensor around and in between the actual pixels.

One could argue that “Well, Panasonic should’ve gotten their act together and developed better image processing engines sooner. The competition all managed it just fine!” but we also don’t know exactly what level of standards Panasonic was hoping to achieve vs what the competition was aiming for.


https://www.diyphotography.net/panasonic-says-the-reason-pdaf-took-so-long-was-to-not-compromise-image-quality/?feed_id=2661&_unique_id=63bedc12b3234

    Marees, 06 Jan 2023This comment from 2 years ago says that Sony doesn't s... more"Sony doesn't want Panasonic to make better cameras than they do"

    https://www.l-rumors.com/lumix-s5-mark-ii-might-be-announced-in-february-2023-at-the-cp-show/#comment-6036610504


    "If Sony doesn't want you to have a chip they just price it out of your reach"

    https://www.l-rumors.com/lumix-s5-mark-ii-might-be-announced-in-february-2023-at-the-cp-show/#comment-6034817963

      Marees, 06 Jan 2023I was under the impression that Panasonic used a Sony senso... moreThis comment from 2 years ago says that Sony doesn't sell PDAF to Panasonic because it considers it as a rival semi-conductor manufacturing company.

      So what changed 🤔

      https://www.l-rumors.com/panasonic-interview-at-dpreview/#comment-5331766165

      As per a source from this comment:

      "The relationship between Sony & Panasonic is complicated" 🤔

      https://www.l-rumors.com/panasonic-interview-at-dpreview/#comment-5331484669

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        • jayh
        • I0$
        • 06 Jan 2023

        Finally--they were the last major holdout.

          Nick Tegrataker, 05 Jan 2023"Except Canon, all full frame and medium format are us... moreI was under the impression that Panasonic used a Sony sensor. This was because I read sowewhere of Panasonic rep complaining that Sony is refusing to license the PDAF tech to them.

          Is the above right ?

          EDIT:
          A comment here says that GH5 uses Sony IMX299 sensor

          https://photofocus.com/photography/its-about-time-panasonic-warms-up-to-phase-detect-autofocus/

            Anonymous, 05 Jan 2023Teardown of cameras reveal who makes the sensors. Component... more"Except Canon, all full frame and medium format are using exmor"

            I know, but that doesn't mean Panasonic is using the exact model of the sensor you just mentioned on their cameras.

              Ivo., 05 Jan 2023A good telephone like S21 Ultra makes better videos and pic... morehttps://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/704/420/247.jpg

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                • Anonymous
                • Lkg
                • 05 Jan 2023

                Ivo., 05 Jan 2023A good telephone like S21 Ultra makes better videos and pic... more8K from Galaxy S22U = 70Mbps

                4K@30 from Panasonic full frame = over 200Mbps

                Not even counting fact many full frames can with external option record 16bit raw video, while phones have 10bit videos.

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                  • Anonymous
                  • Lkg
                  • 05 Jan 2023

                  Nick Tegrataker, 05 Jan 2023"S1 has imx410, just like a7 iii and z6/z6 ii .. just ... moreTeardown of cameras reveal who makes the sensors. Components have codes on them. This is why you can know if phone is using oled from samsung, lg, boe, tiamana, visionox for example.

                  Except Canon, all full frame and medium format are using exmor.

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                    • Anonymous
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                    • 05 Jan 2023

                    Ivo., 05 Jan 2023A good telephone like S21 Ultra makes better videos and pic... moreYou didn't just compare a full frame sensor to a smartphone sensor, right?
                    Do your homework.

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                      • ko
                      • DGV
                      • 05 Jan 2023

                      great cameras, phones have a long way to go this one only have a 24mp sensor

                        Ivo., 05 Jan 2023A good telephone like S21 Ultra makes better videos and pic... moreNot sure if bait…

                          Then let them make better phones; not a cocktail of cams.

                          I would rather buy a phone+cam than whatever these could be called now.

                          The last good phone cam is the CM1; it was still a smartphone.

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                            • 3bk
                            • 05 Jan 2023

                            Nick Tegrataker, 05 Jan 2023"better colors" Are you kidding me sir.. &quo... moreSmartphone manufacturers need to come up with something to try to break out of the deadlock and continue to make money)

                              Ivo., 05 Jan 2023A good telephone like S21 Ultra makes better videos and pic... moreIncredibly idiotic suggestion, you’ve got no idea what you talking about! What a loser… 😂😅

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                                • 05 Jan 2023

                                Nick Tegrataker, 05 Jan 2023"better colors" Are you kidding me sir.. &quo... moreWell said. Those people just look at the photos on a phone screen without ever zooming in! If you do that, almost anything can look good. You can't see noise and artifacts if don't zoom in or see in sufficiently large screen.
                                S21u is handily beaten by 1" sensor phones such Mi12s ultra. Even Mi12s ultra is no match for proper cameras. These are no match for full size sensor. Moreover, these are worsened by multi-bayer layout.

                                They need to use common sense, if these phone cameras are really better than full size cameras then why don't professional photographers just use the former?

                                  Ivo., 05 Jan 2023A good telephone like S21 Ultra makes better videos and pic... more"better colors"
                                  Are you kidding me sir..

                                  "even better resolution (8K)"
                                  Do you know how bloody garbage an 8K video footage looks from Samsung's S Ultra series phones? It only uses 1/3rd of the entire sensor area, and per-pixel detail is terrible due to a minuscule pixel size and the need to perform remosaicing on groups of 9 pixels that share the same colour filters. Recent Xiaomi phones can record much better quality 8K videos, and even then, I wouldn't bother comparing it to 6K footage from this camera.

                                  The point of using a mirrorless to capture photos is that you can swap out lenses according to your need, and RAW files you're getting out of it are significantly more flexible compared to those from smartphones (unless you're stacking frames, such as when using Gcam). S21 Ultra can't even handle subtle motion very well in less-than-ideal lighting conditions, that's definitely not the smartphone camera I would like to use lol.

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                                    • 05 Jan 2023

                                    A good telephone like S21 Ultra makes better videos and pictures then any mirrorless camera in daylight, with much better HDR, better colors, and even better resolution (8K)! The S21 Ultra can beat the mirrorless cameras even in low light photos, but can't match them at night photos and videos, which is the only reason to buy a mirrorless camera nowadays - for low light video. Samsung can easily add an additional camera with huge pixels, at least 8 µm, and 2MP resolution for great 1080p night video, which will be good enough and it will match even the Sony a7S with the same size pixels!

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                                      • 3bk
                                      • 05 Jan 2023

                                      I dropped my S5 on the pavement from a height of a meter and it still works fine. Probably the S5II will also be a good camera

                                        SuuperBaka, 05 Jan 2023You'll find people on here and will try and argue that... morethey are a joke, if they are serious

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