Counterpoint: Sony's smartphone camera sensor business is on the rise thanks to iPhone upgrades
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Anonymous, 20 Jan 2023MKBHD didn't even give the phone it's chances to ... moreThat's because Sony has it all wrong in terms of camera ethos. If you want full manual control and granular modification of the scene and exposure triangle parameters to get the shot YOU WANT, you get their mirrorless cams and suitable lenses so you get real flexibility (i.e.: use anything from the Sigma 18-50 f/2.8 to bazooka lenses to manual TTArtisan lenses with a sub-10MM FOV). That flexibility is what you need to get truly good photos.
And that it simply lacking in smartphone cameras which have ONE f-stop and ONE lens FOV without resorting to super small sensor sizes (less light to capture and process) or compromised performance (like the "85-125mm" on the 1 iv which can only perform well in daylight). Oof. That's why post-processing is essential to smartphone photography - to compensate for the limitations with the sensor size, not pass the problem off to the users like what Sony insists.
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Domestoboto, 18 Jan 2023And to think that SONY PHONES using Sony sensors have some ... moreMKBHD didn't even give the phone it's chances to shine. The phone is advertised to use manual mode not auto mode. And MKBHD didn't use manual. So you can't call it fair. I've seen a lot of reviews and comparisons from real photographers showing clearly that the Xperia can produce images that are way better than the iphones. For instance try taking a long exposure of a waterfall with an iphone you'll see the drops in the waterfall which is bad and terrible do that with a Sony and you'd get a picture similar to a mirrorless camera
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- 20 Jan 2023
Domestoboto, 18 Jan 2023"Sony also wants you to work on your photos instead of... moreWell I saw places where the iphone photos were too artificial than the Sony. Comparing side by side you can see the Sony has a point
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Anonymous, 18 Jan 2023Do you have any idea how large is samsung semicon? More tha... moreSony has more market share
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Anonymous, 18 Jan 2023Do you have any idea how large is samsung semicon? More tha... moreIphone used Sony sensors since the very beginning
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Anonymous , 18 Jan 2023Still phones with Sammy sensors are the best camera phones ... moreThe Xiaomi uses Sony sensor
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Anonymous, 18 Jan 2023Do you have any idea how large is samsung semicon? More tha... moreUm.. just because they have a large production capacity for ICs, that doesn't necessarily indicate they can re-use that capacity for producing image sensors since they are completely different products.
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- 19 Jan 2023
Sony is the best
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- 18 Jan 2023
Anonymous, 18 Jan 2023Manual mode changes nothing. Results are same.
Lack of de... more"Manual mode changes nothing. Results are same."
This is some fat cap. Manual mode and auto mode do not produce the same results unless you set everything to auto in manual mode.
There's a reason why you change the settings yourself based on how you want it.
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Anonymous , 18 Jan 2023Still phones with Sammy sensors are the best camera phones ... moreXiaomi 12 ultra has exmor 989
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- 18 Jan 2023
Domestoboto, 18 Jan 2023And to think that SONY PHONES using Sony sensors have some ... moreMost of your words can be right but better not to mention mkbhd, mrwhotheboss. People like them are not a true tech youtuber in the first place
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Guru, 18 Jan 2023Sony sensors are better than Samsung ISOCELL period.Still phones with Sammy sensors are the best camera phones i.e. pixel 7 pro, Xiaomi 12u, s22u and so on
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RayVone, 18 Jan 2023"The company still dominates the 100+ megapixel sensor... moreIn other words this is called total domination
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- 18 Jan 2023
"The company still dominates the 100+ megapixel sensor market"
It does not dominate anything since it is the only one to offer sensors with large numbers that are almost useless
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- Anonymous
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- 18 Jan 2023
Nick Tegrataker, 18 Jan 2023It's highly likely much less to do with cost but rathe... moreDo you have any idea how large is samsung semicon? More than entire Sony corporation.
Also, only with iphone 12, apple started to use only exmor. X, Xs and 11 pro had isocell as well.
Zero to do with capacity of production. Simply a choice to save money.
Forgot xperia had isocell until 1 mark 3 and 10 iv has isocell + sk hynix ?
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- 18 Jan 2023
SuuperBaka, 18 Jan 2023I agree that Sony's auto mode sucks and needs a lot of... moreManual mode changes nothing. Results are same.
Lack of default hdr is only difference to other.
No tons of sharpening to pretend to be better than it is like samsung/apple/google
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- 18 Jan 2023
Domestoboto, 18 Jan 2023And to think that SONY PHONES using Sony sensors have some ... moreFirst of all that test is rigged. Go on it and just click on the right image on every image in the first test until you reach the first milestone and results will come in some order of BDG/DBG/GDB/etc Those three all iPhone, Nothing and Pixel 6a. It does it like that because it features those three the most and keeps them rotating. In my test runs by the time these three had 18 appearances One Plus had only 7. The longer you play the game even beyond Most Accurate slider the more chance you will get to vote on the others as they will eventually show up.
Strangely enough in my extensive voting Xperia 1 IV shared the fourth spot with 12 Ultra, both loosing only 4 times out of 12.
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- 18 Jan 2023
Sony sensors are better than Samsung ISOCELL period.
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Domestoboto, 18 Jan 2023"They want people to take those manual shots instead o... more"My Sony RX100 M3 uses real 1 “ camera sensor"
RX100 series uses a type 1 sensor - in fact, absolutely none of those "1-inch" camera sensors have a diagonal length of 1 inch.
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- 18 Jan 2023
Anonymous, 17 Jan 2023Obviously, apple is not dumb to purchase omnivision, samsun... moreIt's highly likely much less to do with cost but rather production capacity - Sony being the largest image sensor manufacturer, they are capable of producing dozens of millions of custom sensors with exact features requested by Apple, within a timeframe specified by Apple.