Samsung reportedly working on optimizing the AMD GPU for the next Exynos flagship chipset
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you have to suffer, 13 Apr 2023still not enough. i guess samsung abandoned their optimizat... moreThey could put Exynos again before they debut their own chipset
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AnonD-1090716, 13 Apr 2023With that chipsets you could replace your oven.still not enough. i guess samsung abandoned their optimizations for their own chipset
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you have to suffer, 13 Apr 2023those 2 chipsets are weak to distribute heat and i couldnt ... moreWith that chipsets you could replace your oven.
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AnonD-1090716, 13 Apr 2023The heat that you get from the Qualcomm 888 and 8 Gen 1 lmao.those 2 chipsets are weak to distribute heat and i couldnt make a cooked sausage with it
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Anonymous, 10 Apr 2023EXYNOS is absolute disgusting Garbage 🤮🤮🤮
Snapdragon F... moreQualcomm and Mediatek are disgusting junk chipsets 🤢🤮
If Samsung couldn't put the Exynos 2300 in the S23 was because they decided to renew their process node, so while they are doing it for the high-end segment they decided to make a contract with Qualcomm to make a special chipset for galaxy, doesn't mean that will stop developing and producing chipsets for the future.
Exynos on the S23FE could come as well in the next S24 series.
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you have to suffer, 10 Apr 2023optimize to get more heat, i could make an cooked sausage w... moreThe heat that you get from the Qualcomm 888 and 8 Gen 1 lmao.
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Anonymous, 11 Apr 2023Exynos is a scamNice joke.
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- 12 Apr 2023
Hemedans, 12 Apr 2023According to Developer himself in his Blog Turnip were star... more"According to Developer himself in his Blog Turnip were started by "Google people" it may be official or Unofficial i dont know around 2018" source?
So lets assume they got early access, but agi doesnt mention anything about driver development, it helps find resource usage in games.
Why would you say its the main reason when freedreno existed long before any such tools where available?
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Mediatek sux, 12 Apr 2023Google didnt create it, some of their developers were part ... moreAccording to Developer himself in his Blog Turnip were started by "Google people" it may be official or Unofficial i dont know around 2018, Freedreno people joined 2019 when project already started and they were hired by Google, source here
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Google-Graphics-Rob-Clark
And as i said before usual developers get early access of this tool, when Google anounce Agi some games were already developed, i forgot names but if am not mistaken king were one of those developers who got 40% better perfomance before public anouncement.
And i do agree with that, not all effort of Turnip were made by recent breakthrough but definitely thats one of them if not biggest one.
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Hemedans, 12 Apr 2023You are forgeting role of google here they are the one who ... moreGoogle didnt create it, some of their developers were part of the creation. Updatable drivers are a thing long before any of this, all you need is a bootloader unlocked phone. Agi came a year after turnip development started. All these might have helped make the turnip development faster but it sure isnt the reason for its existence.
And no, they are all open source tools, when someone gets it they would all have gotten it.
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Mediatek sux, 12 Apr 2023I didnt claim turnip was 100% freedreno, but you can see th... moreYou are forgeting role of google here they are the one who created Turnip, the one who made these drivers updateable and one who created Agi tool for developers to dive deep in drivers so that they can optimize their software. With Agi reverse Engineer became easier.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15665/qualcomm-to-update-smartphone-gpu-driver-every-quarter-develops-gpu-inspector-tool
Also its normal for developers to get access of tech way before official anouncement.
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Hemedans, 12 Apr 2023I dont know Exactly what you are trying to Argue here, Turn... moreI didnt claim turnip was 100% freedreno, but you can see the contributions from freedreno in it.
But you said
"https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.gamedriver.S11Adreno650
From tools like this thats why you can get something like Mesa, Mesa started with Adreno 650 and midrange 619/620"
What does this even have to do with turnip? Turnip development started months before this announcement. It doesnt need drivers through playstore. You were claiming it as if thats the reason mesa turnip even exists.
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Mediatek sux, 12 Apr 2023'For developers' because they are the ones who te... moreI dont know Exactly what you are trying to Argue here, Turnip is reverse Engineer project and they only support Adreno 6xx or more series what would they use to reverse Engineer?
This is statement from Developer himself.
-As I said in the talk it was immature though it works fine at the beginning thus lots of extensions and features are implemented since 2020. Joanathan Marek and Connor Abbott played an important role at this time(and still) and they implemented very basic and essential features from the scratch (and copied from freedreno if necessary). So Igalia could get involved in the progress of the implementation of extensions and features on top of what they have done.-
That statement is from one of Turnip developer, they started from scratch l, they only Copy from Freedreno if necessary, so Turnip isnt 100% Freedreno.
And it doesnt make any sense to argue they use 2xx or 5xx adreno drivers to support 6xx.
This is Answer from one of contributor
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/6802
-To support "new" device we need to properly set its properties and some magic numbers, for this we need to capture what proprietary driver does.
I don't need a physical device to gather the information, but would need one to test. So, a bit later, I could make a config which may work, and after you test it - we could confirm that it is correct-
Any reverse engineer project would want to see how propietary driver do so that they can imitate it, its Common sense i dont even know why we are Arguing here.
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Hemedans, 11 Apr 2023If you read press release of Google and Qualcomm those driv... more'For developers' because they are the ones who test it and optimize games for it. What would you do with those drivers? And driver distribution was left to oems, so sure samsung distributed it to users.
The common sense here would be 2xx to 5xx already had a working opengl open source driver. Adding vulkan support to these might not have been worth the effort. If you look at the git of turnip you will find a lot of commits mentioning freedreno
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/log/?qt=grep&q=turnip&ofs=1050
Lots of people from various companies contribute to the mesa project, google even hired the freedreno founder rob clark in 2019 to work further on open source gpu drivers.
Where is your proof that qualcomm play store driver update contributed to turnip?
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Anonymous, 11 Apr 2023Exynos is a scamDo you know the meaning of the word "scam" ?
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Anonymous, 11 Apr 2023You need to look at what we have right now. Right now, ther... moreAMD offers open source Linux drivers, but it's not all that simple of course. And in this case, even if AMD wanted, they couldn't give anything out without Samsungs permission.
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Mediatek sux, 11 Apr 2023You think developer needs public release in the form of pla... moreIf you read press release of Google and Qualcomm those drivers were specific for Developers, we consumer got it because it was given to developers. If you check that link it was Samsung who published that driver and not Qualcomm themselves.
And if you use Common sense Turnip doesnt work with any previous Adreno, from 2xx to 5xx and they dont have plan to support them, freedreno work with Adreno 2xx to 5xx if Turnip was just Freedreno why it support different version of Adreno?
And that Guy you mention Chia-i Wu he is working at Google in Android gralhics, Android graphic are the one who published Agi in cooperation with Qualcomm so that those drivers could be downloadable and be installed in our phones.
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Anonymous, 11 Apr 2023You need to look at what we have right now. Right now, ther... moreMali and amd both have open source drivers, Mali panvk and amd radv/amdvlk on desktop linux.
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Hemedans, 11 Apr 2023You asked 2 different things, Public release and open sourc... moreYou think developer needs public release in the form of playstore apk? No, they can just use extracted drivers from phone firmware. They are the same thing.
And no, mesa has nothing do with that qualcomm announcment, provide proof if you can,
"The Turnip driver stems from the Freedreno driver project and is providing an open-source Vulkan driver for use with Qualcomm hardware... The Freedreno OpenGL Gallium3D driver has long been in great shape and now attention has turned to Vulkan. This Vulkan driver has been developed in recent months by Bas Nieuwenhuizen (RADV lead developer, of Google), Chia-I Wu (Google, formerly LunarG), and others." This is from before the qualcomm announcment. Source is phoronix.
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Anonymous, 11 Apr 2023Their chips were clocked .1 to .2 faster and would always o... moreKorea always get Good exynos, probably many here won't remember, it's from 2020 when They used snapdragon in Korea, Exynos variant wasn't good enough and had old cortex A76 cores instead of A77 like SD 865