Sony Project Q unveiled: a game-steaming handheld

25 May 2023
It won’t run games natively on its own.

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Kangal, 27 May 2023It wasn't an analogy, but I think you got the gist. Y... moreI didn't call you stupid, You're probably actually smart but the way you were expressing what you made you seem like you weren't. Anyway, agree to disagree or whatever

    mightyshipppp, 27 May 2023If you're going to make an analogy make it actually ma... moreIt wasn't an analogy, but I think you got the gist.
    You are a "specs man" like myself, and even I can agree that people buy Nintendo products not for their specifications. They buy it for the marketing, the nostalgia, the remakes, for their children, their Japanese titles, and on the odd occasion for the new game IP (Astral Chain, Splatoon, etc). The importance of specs is to ensure compatibility for big studio developers, and to have third-party AAA Games on the platform. This basically died with the GameCube, and Nintendo has since pivoted into being a software-company (like Sega) but they are still producing their own accessories and consoles. In the future this could change, Nintendo could stop producing hardware and become a services company.

    You can call me stupid, I'm confident and mature enough to respond with "well, that's just like your opinion, man". Despite all that, my post seems to be a success, as it achieved its target objective: to show the history of handheld gaming in detail, and how Nintendo products have always been successful whilst being lacklustre or underpowered in this category.

    (seriously, how many people who visit this site do you think know about the WonderSwan, the Sega Nomad, or Retroid. These are all Obscure Handhelds)

      Bruh design they didnt even think abiut it. Just PS5 controller split into half and put on the Q. And 60hz😣

        Anonymous, 27 May 2023This guy is known for pulling numbers out of thin air. He o... moreLol at your mischaracterisation. If you can't attack their argument, attack them personally, as they say. Nice try though.

        Other commenters were better than you. They provided me with links to more information, and to air out the misunderstanding that I had. For your information, I had very mixed reception of my PS4 Pro and it's performance. Some PS4 games didn't get much of a boost on it. So it was a reasonable induction to think the Aerith chipset could close that gap with newer architecture and software. I concluded that the Valve SteamDeck had a performance in-between the PS4 and the PS4 Pro, and was happy with the discourse.

          Kangal, 26 May 2023The GPD and Retroid are there as a bonus, basically to show... moreIf you're going to make an analogy make it actually make sense instead of making yourself look stupid by saying the Wii came out in 2003. Using that logic all low end phones came out years before their actual release date

            Vegetaholic, 27 May 2023Except they are, and it basically kills any Nintendo chance... moreBut does the ROG Ally or Deck have Mario or Pokemon (legally)? No. Your underestimating price and the games factor. Nintendo has the sheer size and ability to make the margins good enough to sell a device to mass market at 200-400€/£/US$ which basically nobody else other than Microsoft (or Sony to a less extent) can or would do. The Steam Deck got the closest but that is still a niche product aimed at people who are already PC gamers. Most of the handheld devices like Onexplayer or Aya Neo are around 1000. Something from ASUS and Sony will do a lot better but its not going to sell Switch levels overnight.
            People keep doing this, saying that any time a handheld PC or gaming device comes out "oh the switch is dead" and it never is. I've literally seen this since 2019 people were declaring that switch was dying and is too old and continued to sell stupidly well after that point.

            What PC and phones specs people like you and me fail to understand is that yes the Switch is incredibly underpowered and is a 7 year old console with 10 year old chip and people know but they DO NOT CARE because it has games they want to play and Nintendo has an ecosystem that you get into. Until relatively recently people were still playing the 3DS in large amounts and that thing is even more underpowered, low res and is 12 years old with again an even older ARM chip. Guess why? the games again

            I say this as an owner of a Switch, a Wii U and multiples DS and GBAs and as a PC gamer and specs person that people don't have bought Nintendo consoles for the specs. They never have, well at least not since the SNES and they never will. The Switch is doing alright and I'm sure it will even if these handhelds do better than expected. Nintendo adapts more than they get credit for, they do terrible things too but people truly underestimate how much money they have in the bank from their previous periods of dominance. Lookup the most sold consoles. Seriously, the DS and Switch alone are mind boggling numbers. and that's not even counting the Wii, SNES, NES and Gameboy

              Kangal, 26 May 2023The GPD and Retroid are there as a bonus, basically to show... moreI understood exactly what the your system to *meant* to mean but it just was shit at doing that, if you create an analogy and a rating systems and chart you sort of have to explain what you mean if its more complicated as yours was. I'm very aware the Wii was underpowered, essentially it has an overclocked GameCube CPU but it doesn't mean it was the best console for 2003. If you showed people a Wii in pre-2006 they would certainly find it strange. and Yes I'm aware of the 7th Gen being a very long generation and sort of a mini golden age for handhelds and consoles. PCs caught up by 2011 ish so it was affordable to build a really good PC (Radeon HD 6000 and GeForce 500 era) but shit just looking at units shipped tells you the industry was doing well, especially Nintendo and Microsoft early on and Sony later on as well. There's an argument in terms of best console Sony won 7th Gen with the PSP and PS3 but it took them until the end of the generation to get there, literally 2011-2014.

              Oh and you just overexplaining something and writing an essay about else doesn't make your rating system work any more, its not helping with the context because I already knew that so it just seems like

              The analogy you wanna make has to make sense just otherwise you just end up looking like either an idiot or a time traveler by saying the Wii is from 2003. Not every console has to have a year where it was "the best" some consoles never were and will be and that's okay. If you were going to do something like actually explain yourself and people might get what you mean.

                Anonymous, 27 May 2023None of those are competitors of the Switch. It would be ni... moreExcept they are, and it basically kills any Nintendo chances with Switch 2, Switch 2 would be DOA if it would be released as handheld successor to Switch. No one would buy it when you can buy PC handheld which would be way more powerful, play all games and do more, Nintendo is wucked.

                  Sony lost their shit this gen. First PSVR 2 over priced crap, which no one cares about cost as much as PS5, huge mistake, now this crap. What's the point of this dead screen, if it can only stream PS5 games? Do I bought PS5 to play on the wucking 8 inch screen at home???

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                    mightyshipppp, 26 May 2023What the hell is this? You're comparing dedicated cons... moreThis guy is known for pulling numbers out of thin air. He once claimed Steam Deck was as powerful as PS4 Pro and then fabricated performance numbers to support his argument.

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                      JaquileOneal, 26 May 2023Handheld trends have gone up thanks to the Switch, glad the... moreNone of those are competitors of the Switch. It would be nice if there were a Steam Switch, Asus ROG Switch, PlayStation Switch, etc. However, no one wants to compete with the Switch. That's unfortunate for consumers.

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                        Handheld trends have gone up thanks to the Switch, glad their is competition in this area.
                        Switch vs Steamdeck vs Asus Rog Ally vs Project Q. Now if they play their cards right Xbox could compete here too. On a side note Oled panel would have been super. Thanks Nintendo for putting one on your switch!

                          "delivering lossless audio and low latency over Bluetooth"
                          At the same time? How low is low? Does it get anywhere close to wired latency low?

                            mightyshipppp, 26 May 2023What the hell is this? You're comparing dedicated cons... moreThe GPD and Retroid are there as a bonus, basically to show how their "relative performance" is in its era. They run Indie Titles, Homebrew, and Open Platform games. These devices are called Obscure Handhelds, and they've always been around in the shadows, but only recently have they become mainstream or popular. So it's helpful to put them there just to see how they stack up, it's by no means me trying to persuade someone to buy it.

                            The Wii was put there like that on purpose, with the Xbox afterwards; it's because the original Xbox despite being much older than the Wii was significantly faster. So to encapsulate as many consoles as possible, that switch was necessary. The same deal for the Xbox Series S, if I didn't place it there, I couldn't place it anywhere since there's the faster PS5 and even faster Xbox Series X released alongside. When you step back and look at it logically, it makes sense, the Year/Date there is there for the handheld and not the console. But I have taken some liberties.

                            The Grading System is not arbitrary, it's just there as a guide. It shows how much overpowered the handheld was, or how underpowered it was. For example, the PS Vita was very fast (A Grade) for its era, back when Home Consoles were at the level of the WiiU in 2012. So you as a consumer got a lot of bang for your investment. Meanwhile, the new3DS was released in 2014 with a grading of D for its era, back when the Xbox One was a popular Home Console, meaning you were literally buying slow and underpowered handheld. Meanwhile the NSwitch was a fairly average device, as a handheld, when discussing it's performance. It was neither fast, neither slow, looking at past history. Getting a B Grading, as it's 2017 release at an era where the PS4 Pro was mainstream.

                            Now I'm not here to argue that performance ("fastness") is the most important thing. I'm just here to submit the data. Nintendo has proven multiple times that more important than performance is the marketing of the console, and Sony has shown that more important than having a low-price is to service the must-have games. Microsoft has learned that if you can't succeed in either, it's best to own the platform that they run on.

                            Arguably the best gaming era came with the early Wii, midlife Xbox 360, and late-stage PS3. The WiiU was a commercial failure but I think it was very underrated, as it had some of the best Nintendo exclusives. All three consoles in a single house would be fine as they all served different audiences and needs. This era also covers the release of the (2006) DS Lite, PSP Slim, 3DS and PS Vita (2012). All of these were pocketable devices, fairly affordable, and before the boom of the smartphone era (which really went mainstream with the iPhone 4/SGS 2). The DS Lite was one of the best ways to play older GBA titles, same with the Wii playing some neat GameCube exclusives, not to mention the backwards compatibility with other systems too. But this era of gaming has produced literally the highest number of high quality games, just Google it.

                              What was Sony thinking about when they decided to launch this useless device 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ ? And here I was getting my hopes up high for a new PSP or Vita.

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                                Osiris, 26 May 2023Lol classic Sony copycat, they took Wii U concept which is ... moreNow that you talk about it, yes, this device is essentially an upgraded Wii U GamePad.

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                                  Lol classic Sony copycat, they took Wii U concept which is over 10 years old hahaa

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                                    • 26 May 2023

                                    this device is a fail. its not a standalone player, you need to have wifi to stream your games from playstation. This requires good internet on both sides... and doesn't even have 120hz, so you play all the games in 60fps you like it or not.

                                    Better buy some other device that you can play all steam games and use ps remote play there like, rog ally, aokzoe A1 pro, onexplayer, etc

                                    i really don't know what sony is thinking. we were expecting something like a new psvita

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                                      Anonymous, 25 May 2023Maybe Sony completely forgot that the PS Vita exists.Vita kept getting security updates and was supposed to be cutoff from the PSN. User pushback made Sony backpedal on the decision and the Vita and PS3 can still have access to the PSN.

                                        Anonymous, 25 May 2023So a device similar to the Asus ROG Ally? Why should people... moreFor most people? Playstation logo slapped at the back of the device it's already a good reason.

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