Nokia and Apple sign long-term patent cross-license agreement covering 5G and other technologies

01 July 2023
It will replace the current agreement set to expire towards the end of 2023.

Sort by:

Cyberchum, 14 Jul 2023I'm very sure you said "same," good to see y... moreOh, no no no, they aren't the same, they just look suspiciously similar.

    DarlingYext, 02 Jul 2023ODM phones are always tweaked a little bit by the companies... moreI'm very sure you said "same," good to see you have taken back that word.

      Minu, 06 Jul 2023Let's not forget that Nokia basically rebrands phones,... moreI mean Apple basically just rebrands their own phone, but Lenovo, Nokia and Samsung for example and pretty much everyone else are using ODM phones and aren't being transparent about it.

        • M
        • Minu
        • ter
        • 06 Jul 2023

        DarlingYext, 03 Jul 2023"In your example, we ignore the fact that Nokia is own... moreLet's not forget that Nokia basically rebrands phones, but the newer model is always cheaper than the original.
        Same applies to their Android phones.
        Samsung, Apple, Lenovo, Xiaomi follow the same strategy, but the newer model is at least 20% more expensive than its original

          Ahmadb007, 06 Jul 2023People in the comments have to realise the deference betwee... moreIf this comment is for me and Carol, well I've gotta say we both know they are different, we are just having a casual conversation.

            People in the comments have to realise the deference between NOKIA the company that sells 5G/Network technology and the HMD company that sells Nokia phones. They are completely different companies. While the first one originally used to sell phones (Now they don't do so), HMD now took the right to sell phones under the old Nokia logo.

              Carol, 05 Jul 2023Well, how much can somebody speak about android one? And fo... moreI think that if it was still the same as the old "Android One", reviewers would talk about the X30 and likely the G60 having it, as it would be one of their selling points, but it's clearly not happening.

                • C
                • Carol
                • mek
                • 05 Jul 2023

                DarlingYext, 05 Jul 2023But there is difference, back in the days having an Android... moreWell, how much can somebody speak about android one? And for how long can it be interesting to talk about? I think it subsided beacause well, is old news and nothing super interesting happens to it.
                Will still like to know though, what are the last policies to get the certification.

                  Carol, 04 Jul 2023Well, there is no difference besides the obvious android 13... moreBut there is difference, back in the days having an Android One certified phone was a selling point, reviewers were talking about which phone has it and it was also printed on the back of the phone.

                  None of these are a thing anymore, so something must've changed.

                    Carol, 04 Jul 2023Well, maybe again you have another perspective of what is. ... more"Apple uses some parts of hardware design that was researched
                    innovated and patented by NOKIA, so they need to pay for them, if they would not use the patents, then they would not need to pay."

                    Yeah, that's what I meant, and they basically have to use those patents if they don't want to sell obsolete devices.

                      • C
                      • Carol
                      • 3td
                      • 04 Jul 2023

                      DarlingYext, 04 Jul 2023I understand, but my take on Android One is, that it's... moreWell, there is no difference besides the obvious android 13 differences (in nokia x30) from the android 10 in nokia 9. As i've said, android one does not mean updates only, their is a lot of other certifications into it. But well, it is confusing, as nobody talks about the android one new certifications and implementations if there are any, which should be. There should be a wiki about it somewhere, for sure.

                        • C
                        • Carol
                        • 3td
                        • 04 Jul 2023

                        DarlingYext, 04 Jul 2023"None other needs too." We are literally talki... moreWell, maybe again you have another perspective of what is. Surely different then mine.
                        Apple uses some parts of hardware design that was researched
                        innovated and patented by NOKIA, so they need to pay for them, if they would not use the patents, then they would not need to pay. They use this patents most probably because they won't invest in redesigning the proverbial "weel" or are unable to do a better job. Minding the fact that NOKIA has a pretty big chunk in GSM networks and Mobile Devices innovations, i would not be surprised to hear that there nothing worthy to invest in, that could surpass Nokia innovations and Solutions. The same with BBK, they use nokia hardware design patents in their devices, but they do not want to pay for them, prety much they use intelligence stolen from NOKIA and sell it in their devices. Reverse engineering happend in china (and not only, also in South Corea) since ever, but those devices were not reaching European markets, and in china to take all of them to court in front of a guvernment that ownes them, would mean "lost money, as nothing will happen". But in Europe, well, in Europe is another story. That is why BBK runs out, and will probably not come back. To this problem there also adds the fact that in Europe they don't sell much, so they probably loose more then they win anyway. They still want to sell stolen tech tough, but not be sued for doing it, so they go to where they won't be. Sadly that could be everywhere outside USA and Europe, where NOKIA will have hardtime to protect their assets and the billions of dollars that went into R&D.

                          Carol, 04 Jul 2023Android one forces the manufacturer to follow instruction. ... moreI understand, but my take on Android One is, that it's simply not the same Android One that you have on the X30 as the one found on older Nokia phones for example the Nokia 9 PureView. It exists, it just simply means something else, thus the older Android One thing doesn't exist anymore.

                          It's very confusing and I may not be right, it's just my take on it.

                            • C
                            • Carol
                            • 3td
                            • 04 Jul 2023

                            DarlingYext, 04 Jul 2023"you probably never used NOKIA with android." ... moreAndroid one forces the manufacturer to follow instruction. I do not know all of them, or better said, i do not know them, but i know that if it's android one certified, it is certified for enterprise usage, they will for sure not give that one up. The update fiasco about android one, might be true, but hmd did not have good experience with fast updates, and let's face it, neither Google Pixel. If you owned nokia 9 (i have it too by the way) you know what i am talking about. Fast updates are not a thing anymore, but updates are! The new nokias might not get timely updates as before, but they do get the updates as promised and i find them more stable then before. I must say, i was always lucky about updates, but then again, i know what i'm doing, not everybody has this luck. So i could say that is good that they do not release updates as they come?

                              Carol, 04 Jul 2023None other needs too. They license only certain patents fro... more"None other needs too."

                              We are literally talking in the comment section of an article about Apple needing to follow those patents too and there are many articles about BBK needing it too, they just aren't paying for it which is why they are in trouble.

                                Carol, 04 Jul 2023"I'm sorry to tell you this, but Android One is l... more"you probably never used NOKIA with android."

                                I have, the Nokia 9 PureView, which does even have an Android One logo on it's back, but that's from back in the days where there was Android One, the real One I guess.

                                "My X30 literaly Starts with "Android One" logo as huge as always."

                                Just watched a shorts video on the Nokia X30 and it indeed starts with Android One, which is bizarre. Bizarre is all I can say, the project is done for though, it's completely meaningless, phones without Android One get way more updates. Please don't get me wrong, I'm all for Nokia coming back in the game for real and the Nokia X30 is a great start, but I don't feel their other phones, I'd pick any Nokia except the absolute lowest end models over any Samsung, but I don't feel them, I just don't. Repairability or not the G22 and even the G42 is just underspecced, even for the price and it's a hard sale for most people, it's just not helping the company.

                                I'm guessing Android One just means stock Android for non-pixel phones at this point, nobody even talks about it's existence.

                                  Carol, 04 Jul 2023X30, g60, g22, g42 have it, the dirt cheap ones, i do not k... more"..so i doubt that hmd uses a custom android for them... "

                                  That's right, there is no custom android skin on Nokia phones, it's stock Android, but it's not Android One.

                                    • C
                                    • Carol
                                    • 3td
                                    • 04 Jul 2023

                                    DarlingYext, 04 Jul 2023"Those device still need to, respect Nokia Design lang... more"I'm sorry to tell you this, but Android One is long gone.
                                    Xiaomi stopped making Android One phones in 2019, while Nokia and Motorola stopped making them in 2020/2021."

                                    you probably never used NOKIA with android. My X30 literaly Starts with "Android One" logo as huge as always. And am prety sure that all hmd devices do.
                                    For them to get rid of it would mean to sabotage their B2B strategy, or better said, all their Market presence...

                                      • C
                                      • Carol
                                      • 3td
                                      • 04 Jul 2023

                                      DarlingYext, 04 Jul 2023"Those device still need to, respect Nokia Design lang... moreNone other needs too. They license only certain patents from Nokia ider because they are not able to redisign the hardware to circumvent the licesing, or because NOKIA already did the best and cannot be surpassed, so they don't want to land in mediocracy. Anyway hmd pretty much uses the whole portofolio and instructions on how to make a nokia device. Their is a big difference.

                                        Carol, 03 Jul 2023They actually released midrangers almost every year. The on... more"Is it bad to use an ODM? I do not know, everybody does it."

                                        Yes, in my opinion it absolutely is. I don't want a generic phone that looks like many other phones. I know that basically every brand uses ODM phones to sell as their own, but there are phones not made by an ODM as well, and for the most part it's very easy to tell them apart.

                                        "But, probably you understand ODM as doing everything while hmd just gives the name.."

                                        No, absolutely not, they just give the design, but I even mentioned this in one of my replies to you.

                                        "Emphasis on DESIGN"


                                        "A device like x30 will be priced most probably at around 650 euros. So would you?"

                                        Will be? It has been on sale for more than 6 months already. Anyways. It costs 400 eur for the 6gb/128gb version and 534 eur for the 8/256gb option.

                                        I personally wouldn't buy it, but I can absolutely recommend it to people. It's just too small for me and stock android is too boring for my taste, but both of these two are positives for most people.

                                          1 of 5