Nokia and Apple sign long-term patent cross-license agreement covering 5G and other technologies
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- 04 Jul 2023
DarlingYext, 04 Jul 2023"Those device still need to, respect Nokia Design lang... moreX30, g60, g22, g42 have it, the dirt cheap ones, i do not know, but they receive a lot of support too consideringthe price, so i doubt that hmd uses a custom android for them... Highly doubt it.
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Carol, 03 Jul 2023They actually released midrangers almost every year. The on... more"Those device still need to, respect Nokia Design language, internals still need to follow Nokia Patents (antenna design, microphone design, yatta yatta yatta) and use of android one."
I'm sorry to tell you this, but Android One is long gone.
Xiaomi stopped making Android One phones in 2019, while Nokia and Motorola stopped making them in 2020/2021.
"..internals still need to follow Nokia Patents.."
Of course they do, but the same can be said for any phone made by any brand, Apple needs to follow those patents, so does Samsung, Ulefone, Blackview and everyone else.
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- 03 Jul 2023
AnonD-1096870, 03 Jul 2023Yeah unfortunately your peeing in the wind if you want HMD ... morehe migh be asking for something that will not come, not this year, not the next year, but at least he has a reason to comment here, nobody found a reason for your comments here, but hey, is good that you can write "pee", that's also probably almost everything you can do😉.
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- 03 Jul 2023
DarlingYext, 03 Jul 2023"They might have been using some odm for their low end... moreThey actually released midrangers almost every year. The only segment they are not in, is the Flagship one, and should be obvious why.
So, it is ok to claim that nokia is practically the same as Motorollla because they cary almost the same CPU, but it not ok, to say the same about the copycat xiaomi that pretty much took Iphone design changed small things here and there, slapped a cheaper screen and sold it cheaper? Of Course we're talking design here, right?
I never claimed Nobody can do repairable phones, of course they can, they just do not want to. I only said, that the motorola that you send as beeing the same, is not, because, obviously they are designed differently.especially on the inside. But, probably you understand ODM as doing everything while hmd just gives the name, that is not the case. Even if they used, and probably still use ODM on their low end to very low end devices. Those device still need to, respect Nokia Design language, internals still need to follow Nokia Patents (antenna design, microphone design, yatta yatta yatta) and use of android one. i obviously do not know everything that happens behind the curtains, but nobody does.
Is it bad to use an ODM? I do not know, everybody does it. Would you buy a Nokia device if they manage to bring manufacturing back to europe this year, as they planed? A device like x30 will be priced most probably at around 650 euros. So would you?
You see, that is the problem, actually we the people are the problem. When companies try to do something better, everybody turns to cheap devices out of china. This vicious circle won't end but only when people start thinking, something hard to find this days.
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- 03 Jul 2023
Shellyman Studios, 02 Jul 2023I'm over here still waiting for a Nokia flagship. This Article is not about hmd the company that makes nokia phones this days, but is about NOKIA the corporation. Nokia the corporation is out of b2c market since 2014... They operate b2b only. Anyway, hmd gave up flagships since nokia 9. They also gave up specs war and try to set some roots in a very different market then the specs market, where trolls also lay their ignorance over. hmd actually succeded with their new strategy more then they did from 2017 to 2019, and they finaly operate without losses since 2021. In 2017 they took a way to big of a bite that they could not "chew" and their strategy was doomed to recreate the mistakes of nokia corporation past mistakes. Even though some NOKIA die hard fans are very angry of this, and accuse hmd of all sorts of things and want them gone, hmd is actually smart here. If they would stubornly release expensive flagships, they would have been gone by now. As we can all see, well at least those who know where to look, the top 10 list of the most sold smartphones in the world, is mostly occupied by apple, and two samsung devices that are NOT flagships. That pretty much tells the story of an android flagship, their is no place for one in the market of today. If hmd does a 900 euros Flagship with all bells and whistles, those who can afford would be inclined to pay those money for an iphone, because well, iphone is the new standard for the mass. Of course that there are always android lovers that will never jump platformes, but that's the problem... They are not enough to bring any brands flagship to 5th place at least, so apple kind of won in the flagship segment, sad but true. Even the most fierce haters still take the Iphone as a standard price to performance to hardware quality ration... Yeah, is that bad! So why would hmd even bother?
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- 03 Jul 2023
Shellyman Studios, 03 Jul 2023I'm just saying...Yeah unfortunately your peeing in the wind if you want HMD to make a flagship there incapable of doing anything properly.
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DarlingYext, 02 Jul 2023You are on the wrong article then, this Nokia doesn't ... moreSadly, but just saying.
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AnonD-1096870, 03 Jul 2023This topic has nothing to do with HMD Global go send them a... moreI'm just saying...
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Shellyman Studios, 02 Jul 2023I'm over here still waiting for a Nokia flagship. This topic has nothing to do with HMD Global go send them an email
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Carol, 02 Jul 2023By your statement, it means that Xiomi mi 8 and iphone 10 w... more"In your example, we ignore the fact that Nokia is owner-repairable, therefore has a very different design and internals?"
VERY different design and internals?
The two phones in my example are basically identical, except for their camera sensors. Same chipset(as SD480+ is just an overclocked SD480), same display, same battery, same design, same everything, but the cameras.
The Nokia is ever so slightly wider and thinner, but that's about it. ODM means Original Design Manufacturer. Emphasis on DESIGN.
Do you honestly think that an ODM can't make a user repairable phone? Any company could do it, whether it's Nokia, Samsung, Apple, Xiaomi or Ulefone you name it, it doesn't matter, they could all make user repairable phones, they just don't feel like the company could benefit from it.
Nokia added their own touch and partnered with iFixit to make it user repairable, which is great, don't get me wrong, I like it, but it could still be made by an ODM, thus making it rebranded.
Anyways, I'm not saying the Nokia G42 to be exact is rebranded or made by an ODM, all I'm saying is that it very likely is, given it's similarities with most other Nokia phones and the FACT that Nokia buys MOST of their phones from ODM companies.
Not to mention that the Nokia G22, their first user repairable phone, was just a modified Nokia G21. Same with the new Nokia G42.
https://m.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=12137&idPhone2=11356
https://m.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?&idPhone2=12381&idPhone1=11356
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Carol, 02 Jul 2023By your statement, it means that Xiomi mi 8 and iphone 10 w... more"They might have been using some odm for their low end phones.."
Yea, they pretty much only make low end phones at this point. As I've mentioned and as you can see on the website that I've linked, not all of their phones are ODM. Take the Nokia X30 for example, I have no reason to think that, that's ODM, thus I would say it isn't. I have no proof on which of their exact phones are ODM, but most of them are proven to be made by one.
"..for sure tough, there is not one rebranded device in their portofolio."
Yeah, that's just wrong, they are using ODM phones, thus they have to rebrand them.
"By your statement, it means that Xiomi mi 8 and iphone 10 were made by odm.."
Absolutely not. The Mi 8 has a significantly larger bottom bezel, a 0,41 inch larger display and is overall a much bigger phone, over 10mm taller and almost 5mm wider than the iPhone X, and they are using completely different internals.
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- 03 Jul 2023
Darth Caesium, 02 Jul 2023Doesn't matter when Nokia's basically patent trol... moreSoftware patents? Illegal? What are you talking about? Nokia has moslty connectivity and functionality patents, those are mostly hardware plus software. What should be illegal tough, is for some people to owe internet able devices and spread bs all over the internet.
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Anonymous, 02 Jul 2023If they have patents why dont they make good smartphones in... moreThey already answered that question, they simply don't care about smartphones anymore and that's their words not mine.
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- 03 Jul 2023
Magic-and-Mate, 02 Jul 2023I think it's fine what Nokia does if it wants to defen... more"Why yes, I love to be spied on by the CCP*
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- 02 Jul 2023
DarlingYext, 02 Jul 2023What about these two?
https://m.gsmarena.com/compare.php... moreBy your statement, it means that Xiomi mi 8 and iphone 10 were made by odm, the same one, because they look very similar. We ignore everything else, right? In your example, we ignore the fact that Nokia is owner-repairable, therefore has a very different design and internals?
They rebrand phones? What are we 9? As i already said, name me a phone that is exactly like a nokia (everything) not just design language similarities, you accuse them of rebranding, not looking similar. Your example is not even a close mile to rebranding. They might have been using some odm for their low end phones, if we take everything that website has to say, for granted. Pretty much not questioning the validity of their information, something typical for some trolls here that use that site as most believeble information one ever needs to find in his life. Yet the site delivers no evidences but only claims. Anyway, not deying that there is a posibility for some of their releases, for sure tough, there is not one rebranded device in their portofolio.
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- 02 Jul 2023
I think it's fine what Nokia does if it wants to defend its rights.
But the next phone that I buy, as always, will be a Huawei, an Honor or a BBK.
If I can buy it in my country, perfect, and if not, I will import it same as I already done on several occasions.
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- 02 Jul 2023
Armed with their plethora of justified patents, It would be so nice if Nokia made a cameo appearance, and make a little break from silence , and gave the world a prestigious high quality phone worthy of their engineering capabilities and timeless style. It would be so fun, and historical.
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- 02 Jul 2023
If they have patents why dont they make good smartphones instead of licensing their name to some trash company that makes overpriced and underspecced products?
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- 02 Jul 2023
Cpt.Power, 02 Jul 2023Seeing Nokia and Apple cooperate giving me the creeps. Si... moreBut you think companies known as national security threat can?
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- 02 Jul 2023
Cyberchum, 02 Jul 2023I think you're mistaking "similar" for "... moreODM phones are always tweaked a little bit by the companies that buy them.
Oh well, Lenovo/Motorola and Nokia use designs from the same ODM companies, so it's no coincidence they look "similar".