Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra expected with an upgraded 200MP main sensor

01 September 2023
The new sensor has bigger pixels.

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justasmile, 01 Sep 2023Extra megapixels are useless. It’s the quality that counts.They improved both pixels size and density in their hp2.
The tricks ? They use 2x deeper pixels, also reduced "walls" between pixels, and also put transistor layer under, among other improvements. Can check yourself.
Don't beleive reviewers too much, they tend to over simplified and go to the brand they have been paid by... Like praising pixels with their older generation sensors.

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    Anonymous, 01 Sep 2023It is topic among ppl that lack photography knowledge. To... moreyou have just explained why I found pixel's pictures always like "2d", artificial, and dull in the end.

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      Nick Tegrataker, 03 Sep 2023I feel like you're caught up too much on the "16-... moreI don't like at all pixel's rendering myself.
      Also sensors are not great, always a generation behind.

      Maybe Samsung not great at raw, I don't mind.

      If I really wanted pro mode and raw, I'd be going to Sony software then, certainly not Gcam.

      I never understood the Googoo's hype and seeing their latest pixels 8 confort me into this opinion. I tried a 6a, and returned on same day.

        Anonymous, 02 Sep 2023Since you were going to put your photos thru LR anyway... ... moreNope, adding a blur to a sharpened image will only create, well, quite literally a blurry version of a sharpened image. You cannot undo sharpening in the post.

          Anonymous, 02 Sep 2023If you want to argue which phone has the most advanced and ... moreI feel like you're caught up too much on the "16-bit" part - Higher bit depth would only matter when performing extreme tonal adjustments, and has nothing to do with the real problem with ExpertRAW that is being discussed here.

          The issue here is that, just like Apple's ProRAW, ExpertRAW has all the post-processing baked in, and Samsung's frame stacking for ExpertRAW is nowhere near as good as the one used by Google or Apple to begin with (Example: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4696503).

          A GCAM port is (naturally due to being a community-driven project) THE most flexible photo-centric camera app you can get on Android phones, end of story. You have all the access to the post-processing parameters, and some ports support manual controls, so if you're into adjusting ISO/SS/Focus etc while shooting a photo, you can actually do that too.

          "having most features you'll see in a real system camera"
          I don't think you understand what you're saying..

          "Google has a terrible habit of underexposing images"
          If you're talking about GCAM ports, the amount of underexposure and shadow lifting is also something you can adjust in the settings.

            Anonymous, 02 Sep 2023Since you were going to put your photos thru LR anyway... ... moreBut adding blur will not give you a thing. It will still be bad. And yes, I took with my s23ultra about 10k photos, and about half of them went trought lr mobile.

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              SirArtur, 01 Sep 2023Well, I completely disagree. My biggest complaint about Sam... moreSince you were going to put your photos thru LR anyway...

              You know you can add blur to those oversharpened photos and get back that signature Sony look?

                Anonymous, 01 Sep 2023You can increase aperture, still sensor has limit on how mu... moreWell, looking at shutter speed and iso, it definitely helps a lot in low light, also with smaller aperture it captures more detail in focus, which is a problem with many catching a lot of detail but in hairline space, with everything being like out of focus.
                It loses in color a bit when shooting in daylight, but looking at used camera sensor, its improved, not to mention they use another sensors for color which improves a bit by bit those lacking points.
                Though, processing and quality lens do the most, just look at each brand, each with a different color tint. Vivo green, apple brown, xiaomi pink, sony magenta I think...
                Getting right color is not simple, but if I can choose between having or not having multi aperture, with about the same hw, its easy answer.

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                  Nick Tegrataker, 02 Sep 2023Nah, that's a BS. Google Camera PORTS (Don't conf... moreIf you want to argue which phone has the most advanced and customisable app, you will lose hard to Samsung. Samsung is the only brand capable of creating 16-bits per pixel RAW imaging. That in their Expert RAW app having most features you'll see in a real system camera.

                  And yes, Google has a terrible habit of underexposing images. This is a CARDINAL SIN in photography as there is zero way to repair or restore data lost when underexposing. Google's app is trash. The only reason people are talking about the trash is because Google uses its bots to undermine the whole Android ecosystem with lies about its greatness.

                  Google is a cancer to Android.

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                    YUKI93, 02 Sep 2023"The new sensor has bigger pixels." It's ... moreIt is possible, as the pixels does not touch each other. There is a wall between each pixel, to reduce light bleeding. Samsung has reduced the thickness of those walls before.

                      "The new sensor has bigger pixels."

                      It's impossible to have bigger pixels if the sensor size remains the same as its predecessor. The only way to gain bigger pixels is to have a larger camera sensor in the first place, and that's it. That triple-digit resolution won't make much difference to it.

                        Anonymous, 02 Sep 2023Google is a cancer to Android. There is no forced image ... moreWell, there is. ExpertRAW is not producing true raws. That is the funny part. True RAW file you can get either from GCAM or the base camera app. ExpertRAW is stacking a few frames together (that is not the worst part, as that can be beneficial in e.g. high dynamic range) but as well is sharpening and denoising them! And that is embedded in the DNG. You cannot lower the value or undo it. So by the name ExpertRAW Samsung is saying 'We are experts, you do not know anything about processing pictures, and we will process even so-called RAWs for you' rather than 'Here is an app for experts, we do not touch outputs, do whatever you want'.

                          Anonymous, 01 Sep 2023It is topic among ppl that lack photography knowledge. To... moreNah, that's a BS. Google Camera PORTS (Don't confuse them with Pixel's Google Camera app) allow you to adjust EVERY PARAMETER of the post-processing pipeline to fine-tune the output to your liking. If you're into a particular "look" that Xperia's camera has, for example, you can totally emulate that with GCam as long as you spend enough time on figuring out what kind of effect each parameter has on the final output.

                            Anonymous, 01 Sep 2023You can increase aperture, still sensor has limit on how mu... more"Smaller sensor with f1.6 will not match larger sensor behind f1.9"
                            That's true only when there's enough amount of light hitting the sensor to saturate the pixels at the base ISO. As the lighting gets worse and when those sensors have to increase their respective ISO to maintain proper exposure, however, the difference becomes unnoticeable.

                              Anonymous, 02 Sep 2023Google is a cancer to Android. There is no forced image ... moreFrom what I have seen, DNG files taken in Expert RAW have been indeed demosaiced and have a baked-in sharpening + noise reduction which becomes obvious when you start looking into them up close. Google Camera's HDR+ DNG files aren't post-processed or demosaiced, so they better retain the characteristics of regular RAW files than Expert RAW does.

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                                SirArtur, 02 Sep 2023Well, ExpertRAW is not better at this department. Processin... moreGoogle is a cancer to Android.

                                There is no forced image processing on Expert RAW. That is not what that camera app is made to do. It uses hardware layer bracketing to increase the image bit-depth to 16 bits per pixel. That is it.

                                It's sad to see Google having so severe inferiority complex that they constantly have to go around spreading lies about major Android partners. But that is what you do when you're a vile cancer, isn't it, Google?

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                                  SirArtur, 02 Sep 2023Well, ExpertRAW is not better at this department. Processin... moreFair

                                    404, 02 Sep 2023> increase sharpening, more contrast, underexpose foregr... moreWell, ExpertRAW is not better at this department. Processing is even worse than from the main app. And as for every app - that is the beauty of the GCAM. You can configure literally everything. Sharpening, saturation, HDR level, brightness etc, save it as a config and then it is just used for every photo that you take. So GCAM can have everything set to "too much" or can produce very mature pictures. Everything depends on the config that you have loaded.

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                                      Anonymous, 01 Sep 2023It is topic among ppl that lack photography knowledge. To... more> increase sharpening, more contrast, underexpose foreground to save background.
                                      Isn't that what all camera apps do, except the RAW one?

                                        Will it do bigger green banana too please???

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