vivo X100 Ultra's camera samples shared by company official

04 May 2024
It's expected to launch this month with a 200MP telephoto camera.

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vrvly, 06 May 2024What can be seen is that despite having some detail, a lot ... moreWhile your observation is spot on, we have to consider that these are photographs of a rocket launch with tons of hot air and gases causing the air to shimmer, a phenomenon that can also be observed on asphalt roads on warm summer days when you look into the distance.
It makes the image blurry and if you take a video, then you will get moving blurriness (if that 's even a word).
So, I do not dismiss your evaluation of the blurry photo but just add that there possibly is more than one explanation for it.

    Ottonis, 06 May 2024At equiv. 230 mm this is probably far cropped into the sens... moreWhat can be seen is that despite having some detail, a lot of it is blurred and hazy, quite like Vivo's hi res that despite being sharp and with some detail, half of it is lost in blur.
    Unlike in the past, samsung and apple lead in hi res (raw), so they should also in shooting with cropped pov.
    200mp despite its pixel count, I'm yet to see someone to show 200mp raw output even if monochrome, to show full resolution with bayer filter aside.
    Thats why I take it as good non crop shooter or as better 50mp alternative, since you get better detail resolving at hi res 50mp mode on 200mp camera than on 50mp one, but it still fail to impress at 200mp, with it being non hdr and too little advantage over 50mp in detail - even with the best processing which is now on samsung.
    Since I shoot raw mostly, if I go for reach, oppo x7 ultra with 6x optical 50mp, even if shooting 12mp raw, is better.
    That being said, sony is coming with 7x zoom, samsung 50mp superwide nxt year(hopefully), so its hard to be impressed.
    Stagnation at 10x is not bad as long that performance catch up to main cameras, which is a big problem for some like samsung or sony, but even bigger one for some foldables.
    Hi res performance will be also important point, as without good optics and processing, it is impossible.
    Like it happens lately, chinese flagships got better hw, but its harder with sw. If you are nitpicking like me, you will prefer overall performance and niche features like eND, hi res hdr raw, color science or pen.

      Anonymous, 05 May 2024"If you think an APS-C Camera is going to make you a g... moreI'm a professional photographer & I use my Xiaomi 13U when I don't feel like carrying a bunch of lenses & Canon SLR with me off work. I've taken photos from Iphone 14 pro from my buddy & 13U and most people prefer photos from 13U despite identical shot. They don't know which camera it came from as the photos are all shared via GDrive in jpg unless they drill into the individual file details.

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        Ottonis, 06 May 2024At equiv. 230 mm this is probably far cropped into the sens... moreThe focal length is 22.48mm allegedly, this means that the equivalent focal length of 85mm for the full sensor area is correct.

        "Therefore at around 3x-3.5x zoom, this may be the very best image quality one can get from ANY smartphone camera,"
        Not just at 3.5x. Theoretically, at 340mm, one should get better results from distant objects than from any smartphone camera on the market due to the highest number of pixels per angle on the market and due to the largest effective lens diameter on the market as I had mentioned in a previous comment.
        Though, a huge issue can be the Tetra²pixel array, if it has a Tetra²pixel array.

          vrvly, 06 May 2024Images look quite soft despite having some detail. I would ... moreAt equiv. 230 mm this is probably far cropped into the sensor.
          At 85 mm (the optical focal length) this camera module will probably use the entire sensor area (at least I hope so), which ist huge at 1/1.4". Therefore at around 3x-3.5x zoom, this may be the very best image quality one can get from ANY smartphone camera,
          When you go beyond 85mm, image quality will naturally degrade, but for 230mm equiv. these photos look impressively "photographic". Most importantly, they don't seem oversharpened but very natural.

            Anonymous, 06 May 2024No, it's an 85mm equivalent 200 megapixel camera. If ... moreThank you. this means, they will probably crop into the sensor, whenever going beyond 85 mm (eqiv.) focal length...
            Yeah, sounds very plausible, and I think that other companies are doing the same, when exploiting their tele-modules, i.e. whenever they reach past the designated / nominal optical focal length and go into digital zooming.
            Here again comes the advantage of having a large sensor: you start with a larger light gatehring area and end up with larger area afte cropping (=more photons catched = better SNR) or you have more capacity to crop even further (=longer digital zoom).

            Typically, Tele-sensors in cameraphones are between 1/2" - 1/4". This one is 1/1.4".

              Panino Manino, 04 May 2024Go to the source link. There you can get the higher res ve... moreImages look quite soft despite having some detail. I would say 10x from s21u is sharper, but comparison would be more objective... In low light it will definitely win tho...

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                Ottonis, 06 May 2024Wow, a long-reach telephoto camera (presumably 230 mm equiv... moreNo, it's an 85mm equivalent 200 megapixel camera.
                If it's a Tetra²pixel sensor with analog pixel binning, then, depending on the light conditions, demosaicing issues and processing time, one theoretically gets either

                200 megapixel, Tetra²pixel array at 85mm or
                50 megapixel, Quad Bayer array at 85mm or
                12.5 megapixel, Bayer array at 85mm

                50 megapixel, Tetra²pixel array at 170mm or
                12.5 megapixel, Quad Bayer array at 170mm or
                3.1 megapixel, Bayer array at 170mm

                27 megapixel, Tetra²pixel array at 230mm or
                6.8 megapixel, Quad Bayer array at 230mm or
                1.7 megapixel, Bayer array at 230mm

                12.5 megapixel, Tetra²pixel array at 340mm or
                3.1 megapixel, Quad Bayer array at 340mm or
                0.8 megapixel, Bayer array at 340mm

                But note that a Tetra²pixel array might have a lower effective resolution than a Quad Bayer or Bayer array due to demosaicing issues.

                  Wow, a long-reach telephoto camera (presumably 230 mm equivalent focal length) paired with a huge 1/1.4 sensor, is unheard of.
                  If that's true, then this is going to be a beast of a cameraphone, leaving other flagships in the proverbial dust.
                  Will it be a China-exclusive or globally available as well?
                  Vivo is killing it.....!

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                    Inedian, 05 May 2024Can't take you seriously especially seeing many videos... moreI can't take you serious when you say any phone is better than iPhone for video recording.
                    The iPhone is so so so so much better for video than any other phone it's ridiculous.
                    Go look at the video i mentioned and stop trolling.

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                      xslvrxslwt, 05 May 2024I was talking about the zoom RAW capabilities Phones block digital zoom when DNG is selected.

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                        Anonymous, 04 May 2024First rumor months ago , periscope would crop the 200MP is... moreI assume that was based on the 4.3x periscope cropping the 64MP in the x100p to 50 usable MP... Hopefully the move to a 3.7x periscope was to ensure the whole 200MP sensor is used. Then again, the sensor itself is larger, so may indeed still be somewhat cropped. I certainly hope not.🤞🏻

                          Anonymous, 04 May 2024Judging sensor by jpeg samples taken by phones from.other b... moreI was talking about the zoom RAW capabilities

                            notafanboy, 05 May 2024It looks like it is very fast. 1/1799 sec shutter speed in ... moreThe shutter speed is fast but am talking about the post processing time

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                              WhoCaresTM, 05 May 2024Who says the Vivo ISP is the best? Where'd you get tha... moreCan't take you seriously especially seeing many videos where S24Ultra is a joke and also iPhone... and video recording, complete domination by Vivo at night videos.

                              I have seen video where even Mi 11 Ultra dominated S24 Ultra. Samsung is really a joke.

                                WhoCaresTM, 05 May 2024I used to have kits of many different lenses but then sold ... moreYou can't compare that to a phone camera because a phone camera's gonna process each photo to hell and back.

                                That camera has a crop function that's most likely better than most phones' dedicated 2x zoom lens and since it's pretty big the overall quality is amazing as well I reckon but still the point stands. Your desire for an APS-C camera is super niche and hardly beneficial for most consumers and even enthusiasts. Zoom lenses till 5x are extremely important for taking shots of people and even macro shots and these phones deliver that. Just the same way you don't need zoom lenses, others don't need an APS-C. I think an MFT camera on a phone would be the end game if all the other sensors are 1 inchers.

                                Anyways, my point is, there's no point in b*tching and moaning about this stuff since the entire argument can be flipped and said that APS-C sensors are of no use and advancements in sensor tech isn't needed. Both zoom cams and main cams need to keep on improving for the good of the consumer.

                                We're lucky that we even got 1 inch sensors and even 1/1.3 inch+ sensors since Apple and Google were basically running the game and would've most likely kept sizes small if it weren't for Huawei and others making a push for bigger sensors. Samsung went till 1/1.3" and stopped whereas Xiaomi and others made a push with Sony for 1 inchers. It'll take a long time to get MFT sensors I think because the other sensors need to catch up in size, like we have 1/2" sensors for telephoto lenses now whereas in the S10 days the main cam was 1/2.55". We're slowly but surely getting there, have patience or as I said just buy a pocketable camera.

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                                  jiyen235, 05 May 2024if you only take photos in 23-25 mm, YIKES. Have you ever e... moreI used to have kits of many different lenses but then sold them all when I bought my Ricoh gr3. Like most people, I couldn't be bothered to set up shots most of the time as I'm not doing professional shoots. Most things that happen in life happen all of a sudden, and you want to take your camera/phone, press a button to open the camera app and then press another one to take a picture. Before you know it the moment is gone. The Ricoh was perfect for this and everyone gushed over the quality of the images. The difference between the APSC sensor on the Ricoh and the 1 incher on the rx100 my friend had was striking.

                                  I want the Ricoh GR3 in a smartphone. And for a time we were going in that direction with the Nokia 808 Pureview and the Lumia 1020, then the Galaxy lineup until they introduced the second lens. I just wanted Samsung, Apple and other to continue to make the main sensor larger and better. Whenever do use the other sensors they're always so inferior to the main one that I'd rather just physically move to take a shot with the main sensor, rather than use the others.

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                                    Inedian, 05 May 2024Clearly the biggest periscope sensor... with Vivo ISP i exp... moreWho says the Vivo ISP is the best? Where'd you get that?
                                    Go watch the very extensive video called: S24 Ultra vs iPhone 15 Pro Max vs Vivo X100 Pro vs HONOR Magic 6 Pro DEFINITIVE Camera Test

                                    Both iPhone 15 pro and S24 Ultra utterly destroy the Vivo and Honor at almost everything, especially video recording.

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                                      Anonymous, 05 May 2024There are more samples on weibo. One of them with absurd le... moreI want to add that the 460mm full resolution sample images on Weibo haven't been captured during perfect light conditions. The two 460mm images (where you would expect that they don't use analog binning in good light conditions) have Iso values of 334 and 635 instead of 50. So the light conditions were not great.

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                                        Anonymous, 05 May 2024There are more samples on weibo. One of them with absurd le... moreThere are full resolution sample images on Weibo. At first I looked at notebookcheck, but notebookcheck has compressed/downscaled the images, whereas the images on Weibo seem to have the full resolution.

                                        The theoretical effective resolution at 460mm is 6.8 megapixel, but the ice image doesn't look so great.
                                        It's possible that they have issues with a Tetra²pixel color filter array, just like the Honor Magic6 Pro. If they used 4-1 binning due to demosaicing issues, then the sensor (if Tetra²pixel) behaves like a 50 megapixel Quad Bayer sensor and then the theoretical effective resolution at 460mm is just 1.7 megapixel instead of 6.8.

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