Samsung unveils ISOCELL sensor trio: 200MP HP9, 50MP GNJ and 50MP JN5

27 June 2024
The HP9 is a dedicated telephoto sensor, the company says.

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I am not a huge fan of a 200 megapixel Tetra²pixel sensor. I'd prefer a 200 megapixel Quad Bayer sensor.
Yes, a Samsung HP9 can be also read out as a 12.5 megapixel and 50 megapixel sensor and this leads to less read noise, less processing time and a higher readout speed in the 12.5 megapixel mode.

But...
Read noise is only important for areas in the image that have a really bad signal to noise ratio. This means that there is no advantage for bright objects in low light conditions, rather a disadvantage due to the low resolution in the 12.5 megapixel mode. Furthermore, the daylight performance is much more important than the low light performance in my opinion. But in its 200 megapixel mode, the Tetra²pixel array should lead to a worse daylight performance than a 200 megapixel Bayer or Quad Bayer sensor due to worse sharpness, worse color reproduction and more artifacts.
This means that a Bayer or Quad Bayer sensor wouldn't need a resolution of 200 megapixel in order to get similar results, so, in the end, a Bayer or Quad Bayer sensor could have a slightly better readout speed and slightly less read noise while achieving a similar performance as the high resolution mode of a Tetra²pixel 200 megapixel sensor.
The Tetra²pixel should still have a better readout speed in its 12.5 megapixel mode, but the readout speed of the HP9 is 27 fps in its 50 megapixel mode, so I guess that a 200 megapixel Quad Bayer sensor would have at least 27fps, too in its 50 megapixel mode and in most cases this should be acceptable. The main issue should be distortion (rolling shutter) caused by fast moving objects, but my Panasonic Zs60 has a readout speed of approximately 30fps with its electronic shutter and this is often no issue. Otherwise, one could maybe produce a for example 160 megapixel 0.56 micrometer pixel size Quad Bayer sensor with a 40 megapixel mode instead.

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    unxpctd, 29 Jun 2024I don't know about yall but I've had enough of 20... moreThat's why i went from a S23U to a S24 vanilla, after one year of photos, i decided that extra weight and size for a 200MP inconsistent sensor wasn't worth it for now.

    Still, I will pay attention to S25U or S26U for a trade-in.

      I don't know about yall but I've had enough of 200 megapixel sensors being used to create (by default) 12mp images. This is what gets regular people sent to the looney bin.

        Anonymous, 27 Jun 2024You are both right and wrong at the same time. Vivos softwa... moreIn my humble small opinion with not that much experience, I feel like confirming that vivo's software in terms of AESTHETIC pics is great and has amazing processing, but most of the time oppo felt better general quality wise, me too my eye is loving the oppo doing more than vivo's anesthetics, it's good but yes oppo is totally somewhat heavier on the scale to be honest. Your opinions rock!

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          • 28 Jun 2024

          Hopefully a bit less blurry.

            Darth Caesium, 27 Jun 20241/1.12"-type main + 1/1.43"-type ultrawide would ... more1/1.43" UW cam would be overkill, I think the 1/1.5" sensor with f/1.8 aperture from the Z60 Ultra would be sufficient if it is on a wider focal length. Aperture can do wonders yk.

              jiyen235, 27 Jun 2024yeah, 1/1.33" main cam and 1/1.5" UW cam on the n... more1/1.12"-type main + 1/1.43"-type ultrawide would be really awesome.

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                • 27 Jun 2024

                Mobilemaster, 27 Jun 2024Or a Motorola? 🤔Because of imagiq isp max resolution vs spectra

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                  HakimThatOne, 27 Jun 2024I think it's pretty criminal to say that vivo's s... moreYou are both right and wrong at the same time. Vivos software is good (better than most other). But oppo's is better. I have both.

                    And yet they still cant beat nor even go close to Huawei.

                      Anonymous, 27 Jun 2024Xiaomi 15T Pro perhaps?Or a Motorola? 🤔

                        Tiramisu, 27 Jun 2024But Vivo's software is not good so there's that. I think it's pretty criminal to say that vivo's software for imaging isn't good.

                          Anonymous, 27 Jun 2024And 1,33" Main cam?yeah, 1/1.33" main cam and 1/1.5" UW cam on the next Z Ultra phone would be great!

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                            Invetor, 27 Jun 2024am I seeing this right? are the sensors hanging on threads?... moreThose are circuitry. They don't have anything to do with stabilization.
                            The way I understand it, stabilization isn't built into the sensor unit itself. It's built into the housing that holds the sensor in the camera/smartphone. The sensor doesn't really need any specialized component related to stabilization. It can be done with any sensor.

                              am I seeing this right? are the sensors hanging on threads?

                              does that mean these new sensors have (or can have) "sensor-shift" technology? if yes that'd be so awesome

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                                jiyen235, 27 Jun 20241/1.5-1/2" is great, at best I'd say 1/1.4" ... moreAnd 1,33" Main cam?

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                                  oh, 27 Jun 2024I don't think any phone from other brands could produc... moreBut Vivo's software is not good so there's that.

                                    Anonymous, 27 Jun 2024So what size for ultrawide sensor, 1/1,8"-1/2"?1/1.5-1/2" is great, at best I'd say 1/1.4" could be used ig? But then again I don't use UW cams as much so I'd be SUPER happy with the Find X7 Ultra's 1/2 incher. The Find X6 Pro's 1/1.56" one was a masterpiece tho fr

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                                      jiyen235, 27 Jun 2024that's too big for a UW cam, ZTE need to use that for ... moreSo what size for ultrawide sensor, 1/1,8"-1/2"?

                                        Anonymous, 27 Jun 2024a big sensor for ultrawide with bright aperturethat's too big for a UW cam, ZTE need to use that for their main cam first lol, I think 1/1.5" is a disgrace if the UW cam is so big, what's the point? It's like the Find X5 Pro all over again, 1/1.3" is the new standard and it sucks that only Xiaomi and Honor reached 1/1.12" and no one has touched it again since, excluding the one inchers, and Honor's gone back to 1/1.3" again for the Magic6, just weird.

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