Leak shows that HMD might be working on a camera-focused Lumia 1020 revival

03 September 2024
HMD is already working on improving its cameras - the Skyline was its first triple-camera phone, this might be its first quad-camera device.

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Jason, 06 Sep 2024Exactly my n8 had an incredible camera that had proper focu... moreHa, yep, i still owe the n8. I actually owe all my nokia devices from the past 15 years. Like n8, 1020, even the ms lumia 950 xl, and nokia 8 by hmd or nokia 9. Sadly i never got to put my hands on 808 but well, it is what it is. They are my small collection i won't let go😋

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    • Leneyoyo
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    • 06 Sep 2024

    My fav phones... N86 8mp, N808, N9 and 1020. I will buy it in a heartbeat if it truly feels like the original... gawd I miss Nokia, meego and windows metro interface!

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      • Nokia Fan
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      • 06 Sep 2024

      If this is a revival, the brand name NOKIA should be on the phone.

      Too bad HMD already started to put the HMD brand on their phones in place of the NOKIA brand.

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        • 06 Sep 2024

        Carol-, 04 Sep 2024Sorry, but nope. The 808 and 1020 pureview were not just so... moreExactly my n8 had an incredible camera that had proper focus and a xenon flash

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          • Anonymous
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          • 04 Sep 2024

          P C M, 03 Sep 2024Not really. Symbian was better than Android in almost every... moreSome guy on YouTube runs modified Blender in Nokia N series phones. This shows the software and hardware capabilities of phones of that time.

            Nick Tegrataker, 04 Sep 2024Nokia 9 Pureview's image quality was highly questionab... moreSorry, but nope. The 808 and 1020 pureview were not just some high megapixel camera phones as today phones are, the sensor was literaly huge in comparison to todays 200 mpx crappware in xiaomi devices and took some amazing shots nobody can tell if they come from a phone or a camera, nothing this days mobile photography comes close. I can see a picture made from a phone from 3 km away, they might have more detail and sharpness but lack quality and natural wom colors, and look fake.
            Also i never said that Nokia 9 was a perfect camera device, but for sure it was not a full blown AI driven gbg. The nokia 9 Camera was developed together with Light, a totaly different approch to photography, first research about them and their goal before comparing it with huaway, even worse talking about taking ideas from them.... also definetly did not oversharpen, there was sometimes an effect because of image stacking, but zooming in to 100 would definetly show no oversharpening, maybe a very small bit of sharpening. Also, the camera got way better after some updates, nobody talked about that, so if you did not owe it, well, you actually do not know the full capability of the camera.
            As for image quality, again sorry. Nokia would need to what? Haha, funny, nope. That is only your opinion, definetly something arguable, for me no 200mpx camera of today will get the quality of a picture nokia 1020 made, especially when you knew how to work with pro mode. And if nokia would have kept researching and developing their cameras, today, this ai gbg cameras would have been good enough only for some entry level smartphones or some midrangers.

              see.. the best design and iconic Lumia touch really good for branding... ,, go go hmd

                Nick Tegrataker, 04 Sep 2024Maybe you should feel happy about the fact that a fair numb... moreI won't go with huawei, because mostly, i do not support chinese brands out of my on principles. Back then when ms bought nokia, there was a rumor that a lot of them nokia camera department actually went to apple, but well, who knows.
                The expectations for this device camera might be high, but for the moment only because of the design similarities to 1020. But actually only if they come out and claim that this camera is their best, well then, the expectations are rightfully high. And well, for me, only because of 1020. Well, i doubt they will call this a camera phone, but who knows, let's wait and see.

                  Tech Guy, 04 Sep 2024Well people do care for uniqueness & I don't think... moreYes their is a niche that will always look for special stuff, but that would not be enough for hmd to survive, the only growing market is the mid-rage one, giving the fact that a lot of people, me inclusive do not want to pay more then 600 €for a phone, so many will search in this segment to replace their flagships, if they had any. I mean, hmd is targeting the right market, i just do not understand why they did not just did this straight from the get go. But well, as you say, let's wait and see.

                    jiyen235, 04 Sep 20242 things. Firstly, there's no "being fair" s... moreHonestly, man, the Xperia 5 series is already on its way out as the leaks for the Xperia 5 VI are very vague. We have passed the 1 September launch date usually for the 5 series (except for 5 II, which is 17 September 2020). It could be that Sony merged Xperia 5 and 1 in 1 VI. The series that may still see the light are Ace, 10, 1, and Pro.
                    Plus, the Xperia 1 series has been Xperia's best-selling model since the numerical series was launched 5 years ago compared to the 5-series, and probably, a grudge that 5 III outshines 1 III in critical review (akin to S20+ outshines S20 Ultra, reasoning why Samsung nerfed the S Plus series for 3 generations and buffed the S Ultra series since then), that Sony decided to buff the 1 and nerf the 5, starting with Mark IV and even further with Mark V. I mean, Xperia 1 is equivalent to Samsung's Ultra, hierarchy speaking.

                    And for the last paragraph, well, you described the reasons I want a Sony Xperia these times outside the MicroSDXC slot, dedicated camera button, and front-firing stereo speakers. I got an iPhone option if I desire an average-joe option, as the iPhone maintain has some Sony-inspired elements inside.

                      Nick Tegrataker, 04 Sep 2024After getting a dedicated camera and starting shooting for ... moreI understand what are you saying, and I will take note what you told me about this knowledge when I get my Sony Alpha camera as companion for my 1 II, but as I said, different people have different needs, and this especially me. Reflecting from my 6-month exchange trip in Europe this year and taking many of both of pics and videos in both Xperia 1 II and iPhone 13 Pro Max, it already took 256 GB inside my 1 II's UFS 3.0 storage, without counting the MicroSDXC slot I inserted (20+ GBs of worth are the photos and videos I took from The Eras Tour of Taylor Swift concert in München) and almost 128 GB of my iPhone 13 Pro Max. Knowing my iPhone 13 Pro Max storage is capped and fully utilized and can no longer relied on for photography purposes, my only option is fully dedicating my photography hobby with my Xperia 1 II and MicroSDXC does save me when I was still on holiday in Europe as I can take more photos and videos worryless.

                      That's why I purchased Asus Zenbook 14 Flip OLED Ryzen (2022) instead of VivoBook S14 Flip Ryzen (2022), although the VivoBook has an option to upgrade the RAM (DDR4) while the Zenbook soldered it (LPDDR4X), it because the Zenbook 14 Flip OLED Ryzen 2022 version (the newer version, the 2024 version ditched it, sadly) has a MicroSDXC slot to transfer file, meanwhile S14 didn't in either older or newer version. It is still crucial for me to have a MicroSDXC slot for a clumsy person like me. Because having a backup option is make me feel safer.

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                        • Anonymous
                        • 7kj
                        • 04 Sep 2024

                        HMD is full-on cashing out nokia lumia designs.

                        Hire My Designers

                          Wesker, 04 Sep 2024Nokia 9 Pureview ?? You mean the catastrophic hardware fail... moreFirst of all, have you read the article, or your just talking not to keep quiet? I was refering to the segment

                          "Not that we have any specs to work with, apart from the camera count – the Skyline was HMD’s most ambitious phone in terms of camera yet and its first to have a triple camera (not counting phones with macro modules). This 1020 lookalike should be HMD’s first phone with a quad camera."
                          Nokia 9 was their most ambitios in terms of camera, and had 5 of them with 3 being PURE Black and white sensors....

                          The Photos never requested post-processing, what are you talking about? Again, never used, but laudly talking. I owe the device and it takes better shots in standard mode then 90% of the devices that are now on sale, if not even more.
                          And yes, it takes stunning RAWs that can be worked on in Adobe to have even better results if one knows what he's doing.
                          Front design? It is a screen panel, what are you again talking about? So for you every device from 2018 and before LG g6 came out, copied LG G6, right? Get a clue.

                          The update to Android 11 was a problem because of performance. Camera requested just to much processing power and android 11 was not good to them. Also they could not modify the camera drivers because they were proprietary and light, as you said, gave up on them. But well, when you know s., you talk s. i presume.

                          The only fault that device has/had, is camera performance, NOT camera quality nor device Performance, nor device quality. Again, get a clue.

                            First of all, have you read the article, or your just talking not to keep quiet? I was refering to the segment

                            "Not that we have any specs to work with, apart from the camera count – the Skyline was HMD’s most ambitious phone in terms of camera yet and its first to have a triple camera (not counting phones with macro modules). This 1020 lookalike should be HMD’s first phone with a quad camera."
                            Nokia 9 was their most ambitios in terms of camera, and had 5 of them with 3 being PURE Black and white sensors....

                            The Photos never requested post-processing, what are you talking about? Again, never used, but laudly talking. I owe the device and it takes better shots in standard mode then 90% of the devices that are now on sale, if not even more.
                            And yes, it takes stunning RAWs that can be worked on in Adobe to have even better results if one knows what he's doing.
                            Front design? It is a screen panel, what are you again talking about? So for you every device from 2018 and before LG g6 came out, copied LG G6, right? Get a clue.

                            The update to Android 11 was a problem because of performance. Camera requested just to much processing power and android 11 was not good to them. Also they could not modify the camera drivers because they were proprietary and light, as you said, gave up on them. But well, when you know s., you talk s. i presume.

                            The only fault that device has/had, is camera performance, NOT camera quality nor device Performance, nor device quality. Again, get a clue.

                              Nick Tegrataker, 04 Sep 2024To be completely fair to Sony - Exmor T sensor's true ... more2 things. Firstly, there's no "being fair" since they marketed it as a "1 inch sensor-like" performance. Secondly, they charge more for a 256 GB phone than Xiaomi did with the 14 Ultra for a 512 GB phone (at least where I live). That is unacceptable. Being fair would be saying "Sony isn't horrible at photography". But being realistic is pointing out the fact that for the price they have nothing to show for it. Releasing the 1 VI/1 V as 5 V or at the price of the 5 V would've been the logically best move. Priced higher than the Oneplus 12 but the phone also is enthusiast oriented so the higher price is justified. When the phone is priced higher than the Xiaomi 14 Ultra and the X100 Pro's global prices, then ofc it's only fair to point out the flaw in the value proposition.

                              Sony perfectly knows how to make the best of the best in a field, look at their TVs. They're 1-3K usd more expensive than others but people accept it cus they're the best. Also the design is thicker and that shows that Sony can chase perfection in terms of performance instead of design. The smaller camera bump on the Sony phones is nice and all but that is no excuse for having a small sensor on a 1.4k euro phone.

                              My point is, Exmor T may be better and all than a sensor of a similar size but it's nowhere near as premium as even a 1/1.12" sensor like the Mi 11 Ultra's, let alone the 1 incher of the X100 Pro and stuff. They're making a Corolla GR and pricing it the same as a Ferrari F8. Yes the GR is far better than a normal Corolla but it doesn't hold a candle to an F8, and the F8 sacrifices practicality for more performance, which is also why the price is high cus it's so laser focused on the performance.

                              The 5 V is a better product than the 1 V and VI combined. If the 5 V started at 256 GB it'd be the perfect compact phone for any price. The 1 V's sensor makes so much more sense in the 5 V, compact phone + small camera bump = great value. Besides, no other competitor is able to provide vastly superior cameras. The only thing a 5 V would've needed was a telephoto and it'd have been the best compact phone around. Sony doesn't understand any of that and does whatever they want, let's see how long their mobile division lasts with these weird tactics. If even Apple beats you in terms of hardware, you know you're wrong. Fanboys love to make fun of Apple for numerous reasons but find 1000 different ways to cope when Apple has better hardware than them.

                              If Sony provided the best hardware then the price being even 1600 euros would've been justified, they don't do that so I don't see any reason to get a Sony phone unless you either have a really soft spot for the Sony's processing, the design or have some other niche use case like using it with a Sony camera or something which I find an odd way of spending money but to each their own ig.

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                                Carol-, 03 Sep 2024I doubt that they will aim that high, that would be a shot ... moreWell people do care for uniqueness & I don't think why wouldn't anyone won't buy if they are Nokia Lumia Fans & if OnePlus can sell it at this price then why not ?? By the way, what you said makes sense as well but let's see, it's not like people won't buy cuz people even buy garbage phones.

                                  Anonymous, 03 Sep 2024K Zoom has 20.7MP 1/2.3" .. Variant of sensor used by ... more"While current xperia uses 1/3.5 portion of 40mp 1/1.7 sensor. It would do better if sensor was native 12mp bayer"

                                  They don't. The sensor literally wouldn't fit in Xperia's thin periscope module, and none of the photos from Xperia's periscope lens that I have seen exhibit typical "wormy" Quad Bayer artifacts.

                                    TheSnowWinterR7, 03 Sep 2024Well, the MicroSDXC card slot is purely the reason I chose ... moreAfter getting a dedicated camera and starting shooting for events, I started to realise that it's an utterly terrible idea to store all the photos onto an SD card. SD cards have terrible reliability compared to SDD or HDD and are only good for a temporary storage option, and many pro-grade camera bodies have 2 card slots to keep you safe.

                                    When I got my a7IV I was only shooting small gigs (For free and not as a request) with 1 SD card, and one day experienced a card failure which forced me to buy a new one because nothing I did fixed the problem. After a while I started having an unusually slow write speed with that new card, but fortunately it was easily fixable by formatting the card.

                                    I haven't experienced any new errors to this date, but it told me an important lesson - Two SD cards are a must for more serious photography, and SD cards are never to be trusted as a long-term storage option. Because of this I'm not *extremely* mad about phone manufacturers removing the SD card slot, as I would save all the important photos and app data in the internal storage anyway, but I admit that it's still a nice-to-have option especially for something like local music files (which you can easily re-download in case you lose them).

                                      jiyen235, 03 Sep 2024makes sense, but again if i am gonna carry a bulky camera a... moreTo be completely fair to Sony - Exmor T sensor's true advantage over a non-T sensor the signal-to-noise ratio, not the apparent exposure. If the former and the latter have exactly the same pixel pitch + pixel count and are placed behind an identical lens, both should theoretically capture very similar-looking images except the former is somewhere around half a stop less noisy.

                                      With that said, Vivo's camera is naturally advantageous here because its sensor area is so much larger to the point where the difference in the light gathering cannot be offset by the improved transistor design of the Exmor T.

                                      The other thing that I could notice from his video, however, is that Sony hasn't figured out the lens shading correction problem yet - If I remember correctly, RAW files from older generations of Xperia's main cameras suffer from "ring" artifacts where circular bands of weirdly coloured areas show up across the frame when exposures are pushed up hard in post-editing. Unfortunately it seems to be the case in Xperia 1 V as well. None of the other manufacturers I have seen exhibit this problem, so I'm actually quite surprised how it still remains on a Sony phone.

                                        Carol-, 03 Sep 2024This guys are talking only bs. I mean hello nokia 9 purevie... moreNokia 9 Pureview ?? You mean the catastrophic hardware failure of a phone that required post production tweaks in Lightroom to produce decent shots ?? Didn't even had an SD Slot and front design was a copy of LG G6. They couldn't even figure out how to update the poor thing to Android 11 and the company behind its camera went under. Can't believe you brought that up as an argument.

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