Leak shows that HMD might be working on a camera-focused Lumia 1020 revival

03 September 2024
HMD is already working on improving its cameras - the Skyline was its first triple-camera phone, this might be its first quad-camera device.

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Carol-, 03 Sep 20241. Microsoft had absolutely nothing to do with Lumia 1020 c... moreMaybe you should feel happy about the fact that a fair number of original Pureview team members jumped ship on Huawei and continued innovating there? A decent implementation of Quad Bayer sensors, handheld HDR night mode, partnership with dedicated camera companies (Which definitely ended up influencing BBK, Xiaomi and Sharp), etc. Xiaomi, Oppo and Vivo carried their spirit and started creating phones that are much more laid back in terms of post-processing, allowing users to shoot in more authentic photographic styles.

Let's see if Nokia's next camera phone would be actually attractive compared to the likes of Find X8 Ultra, Xiaomi 15 Ultra, X200 Ultra and so on - They'll have to make a pocket camera that is both foolproof and (for more enthusiastic users) fun to use. The bar is set high for them at the moment.

    Carol-, 03 Sep 2024This guys are talking only bs. I mean hello nokia 9 purevie... moreNokia 9 Pureview's image quality was highly questionable back then (Atrocious low light image and severe oversharpening on JPEG) and it doesn't hold well at all compared to modern smartphone cameras. They borrowed the idea from Huawei (and Sony) to implement their own version of RGB & Monochrome camera setup, but the execution was underwhelming at best. After all, it's very difficult to correct parallax from 5 cameras, and they had to compensate for the lack of space by making individual sensors smaller.

    A lot of phones have been integrating AI (or machine learning based algorithms to be precise) in their imaging pipeline even before the rise of genAI - Auto WB correction, real-time tonemapped HDR preview, image stacking, local masks, demosaicing, noise reduction etc. Nowadays *just* throwing a large megapixel count like old Pureview phones did 10 years ago wouldn't be enough - It's impossible for you to find a flagship that doesn't have high-resolution sensor (More than 48MP) in our age. Nokia would have to do a lot more work on top of that to remotely make their phones competitive in terms of image quality.

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      Nokia is lost.
      Now it's just matketing.
      Nothing else.
      Keep fooling users.

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        • 03 Sep 2024

        Carol-, 03 Sep 2024I'm not that interstead in the Flagship SoC, SD7gen3 m... moreI'd like that but the price would be eyewatering.

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          Anonymous, 03 Sep 2024And they won't do well with that puny 1/3,94" sen... moreAnd samsung and pixel aren't overprocessing? Lmao

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            Anonymous, 03 Sep 2024No, samsung is worse one here with using 16-cell sensor in ... moreAnd they won't do well with that puny 1/3,94" sensor in telephoto, you haven't seen samsung's downfall since end of 2010s

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              Anonymous, 03 Sep 2024No, samsung is worse one here with using 16-cell sensor in ... moreAnd isocell hm6 is that same type of high megapixel stuff, other oems are actually going away from 9-cell and 16-cell sensors in main cam

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                • 03 Sep 2024

                Carol-, 03 Sep 2024This guys are talking only bs. I mean hello nokia 9 purevie... moreNo, samsung is worse one here with using 16-cell sensor in main cam and not in telephoto and they are even worse in overprocessing and they don't have a color spectrum sensor either

                  P C M, 03 Sep 2024Not really. Symbian was better than Android in almost every... moreActually nokia mobile devision was sold because of MS and Elop the Trojan horse, had nothing to do with carelessness. Finns are very meticular and Nokia definetly cared. The eflop signed their death when the contract with microsoft was all about windows phone that also forbade them from installing other systems on their smartphones.

                    Tech Guy, 03 Sep 2024You can expect 200MP main + 50 MP Ultra-wide + 50 MP Sony L... moreI doubt that they will aim that high, that would be a shot in the foot and wasting money. Very few people are ready to invest more then 600 euros for a smartphone, let alone more then 1500... and the typical iphlone fan will further buy iphlone, no matter how much better this would be.

                      AStolfo, 03 Sep 2024There are a lot of reasons why no one will ever come close ... moreNokia was serious about cameras. Requesting their own, bespoke sensor, using high quality Zeiss lenses, their own image processing. Nowadays everything is off-the-shelf and just slapped together with a different logo on the back.

                      Nokia was way ahead. There is still no smartphone that can match Nokia 808 PureView in image quality. The only smartphone that truly took photos that looked like they were shot on a DSLR.

                        Rahat, 03 Sep 2024Literally when the designers lack common sense. Or better said, when some lack a sense for design?

                          Anonymous, 03 Sep 2024What I find weird is a lot of people wanting this phone to ... moreNope, everything BUT AI. Better to put a rgb custom sensor with separate processing chip in it to speed up the end result then any ai garbage.

                            YUKI93, 03 Sep 2024I still maintain that Windows Phone is the best mobile OS I... moreSame as you, but i was forced to use android because ms killed nokia and windows phone os.

                              YUKI93, 03 Sep 2024The leaked silhouette resembles the Lumia 1020, but the cam... moreI'm not that interstead in the Flagship SoC, SD7gen3 might be enough if the repairability, software support and great camera are there, i doubt tough that they are working on a custom made Sensor, so it would probably be something of the shelf.

                                P C M, 03 Sep 2024As much as I love the Lumia 1020 your comment is of a blind... more1. Microsoft had absolutely nothing to do with Lumia 1020 camera. Everything about it's camera was nokia made, yes the camera software too. The only thing ms did in 1020 was licensing the OS.
                                2.s4 zoom had no quality, was bulky and power hungry, no where near lumia 1020, as for the other device, definetly was not better when filming. Actually phones this days do not beat the 1020 in every way, they loose tough in a lot of ways, like true to situation color, great clarity without oversharpness, xeon flash. And a lot of photos come out just better on the 1020 and natural looking without that AI processing. HDR might be superior on new devices, but hdr is nothing when the photos look fake, washed, oversharpened, unnatural distorting the image you have in front while taking a shot. The devices might be faster at shooting, that would be the only progress that's been done in the past 12 years.

                                Finaly, just because things "develop" in a certain way, it does not mean that that is the way to go further, or that it is called progress. It actually means nothing. This beeing clearly proven when looking at about all devices of today, most don't last past 3 years and they basicaly do not do a better job then the older ones that lasted for 30 years. Nope, am not talking smartphones here. So "Grandpa" saw better days with better quality.
                                Anyways, going back to camera, the AI photo taking might be now trendy among lazy manufactures that litteraly innovated nothing since NOKIA left the scene, besides licensing it's patents... but is definetly not the better solution neither the needed progress. Camera developement in smartphones stopped at 1020, from features to sensor. Photographers still wait for an update. I doubt that the new hmd will be the update, but at least, i am intrigued.

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                                  • 03 Sep 2024

                                  They can make the design but can they implement the legendry "Pureview"? The super sampled image/video outputs were next level even today's smartphone can't match because they don't do super sample at least resolution like 1080p or 720p.

                                  Also what about the xenon flash and ND filter asking with camera shutter?

                                    this phone is actually rumoured to be Skyline G2

                                      This guys are talking only bs. I mean hello nokia 9 pureview. And who are those camera kings? Besides Pixel and samsung there is nothing but more megapixels, and all of them are AI generated garbage hands down. As for skyline, it is actually for the price a well balanced device, the only fault i could name would be the software support.

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                                        AStolfo, 03 Sep 2024There are a lot of reasons why no one will ever come close ... moreAs much as I love the Lumia 1020 your comment is of a blind fanboy.
                                        Your comment feels like Microsoft created the sensor out of thin air. The manufacturers have come a long way.
                                        You're ignorantly giving credits to Nokia and also trying to say 1020 is still superior. The truth is
                                        1. It could happen because of Microsoft's excellent processing, nothing to do with Nokia.
                                        2. 1020 was something different, as was Pureview or s4 zoom. Comparing them to regular phones around that time is not justified. Even so, the galaxy Alpha coming just the later year was not that worse in still photography and was far better in video. Comparison with modern smartphones make no sense as modern smartphone will come on top in every way.

                                        Finally stop that ignorant thought of saying quad Bayer is bad. I don't really get the people with GRANDPA VIBE and cannot accept change. The researchers know what they are doing. I have seen the Sony fans blabbering the same sh*t. I don't know what they say now that Sony themselves has started using them.

                                        Quad/Multiple Bayer is the future and even the DSLR will adopt them in the next few years.(Only if DSLR were to be a thing, they will be replaced by Mirrorless.)

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