Epic Games scores big win against Google in US court

08 October 2024
Third-party app stores will be visible within the Play Store, and developers can bypass Google’s 30% app tax in the US.

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Wow, so by your opinion, just because you have no idea how to use sideloading, and are "afraid" of it like their'll be apocalypse now, nobody should be able to do that? Good thing you boght an iphlone? Who forces you to sideload? Give us a breake with drapple propaganda.

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    Marco M, 10 Oct 2024We can safely assume that there will be measures in place, ... moreNoone can shut down 3rd party AppStore. Samsung has their own, Huawei has, Xiaomi has... Literally my android tv has 2 more , sidelooaded. Apk is apk. The question is who takes % of its sales and what % exactly.

    Note the epic have recently announced no/low fee for games on unreal engine for Android. Guess what will happen in Epic market for Android when it comes to gaming ;) bye bye Google.

      Luke, 10 Oct 2024I think the idea behind having different stores is to actua... moreWe can safely assume that there will be measures in place, and not all-you-can-eat of apps that technically works as theft. Those will remain in app stores/sites outside of google play still. If all else fails, they will surely find a way to block 3rd party YT players if the user base grows too big. You can be sure they have a decent overview of the traffic to such players already. Worst case for us consumers they will use it as an argument to shut down 3rd party app stores. So things like that must be weeded out.

      I think the main idea is to avoid the monopoly situation that Google currently have. Which causes higher prices for consumers. So if 3rd party app stores get more easily available, especially through google play without BS warnings, they can offer their services/games for less directly to their customers.
      After all they are the ones developing and offering them. Why should they be forced to add a 30% premium to offer it through google play as the only solution? They shouldn't. And this should have been fixed 15 years ago.

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        • 10 Oct 2024

        It’s a good thing that I switch to iphone last year since there are so many scammers creating malware disguising as invitation, pdf file and others in SEA.

        The thing is samsung has already made the right move with their knox and block sideloading andshow security warning (it can be turn off), but with this ruling meaning sideloading will not even has warning pop up is just screw up.

          Informer, 09 Oct 2024your comment says same as epic games mindset. but you are n... moreYou do realize that other app stores exists already and several phones, including samsung phones, come with alternative app stores installed. Right? Same with Oppo, Vivo and Xiaomi, etc. Depending on the market.

          An alternative app store, especially with access to all of google play's app catalog, does not automatically get less secure. Nobody is saying that Google has to allow app stores that distribute harmful apps. Rest assured, Google will instantly delete any app store that causes intentional harm and/or has zero due diligence to prevent bad apps.

          There will likely be very strict requirements and a low threshold to ban 3rd party stores that misbehaves.

          And again, the first two likely groups to start using, or ever use, these 3rd party stores are the tech-savvy and gamers who want direct access to their favorite games store - be it Epic or others - to get their games, and in-game-purchases, at a lower than the 30% premium Google takes.

          Would you argue for banning 3rd party app stores on all OS platforms, or just mobile/android? Should all apps/programmes for windows be forced to solely be sold through Microsoft Store? Steam, EA and Epic Games store to be banned?

          This is also a great argument for all smartphone manufacturers to include their own app store, with all safe and approved android apps. They get revenue from purchases and ads in free apps, and this makes them more capable to compete with Pixels and iphone on a more level playing field. Both of which have a massive income from the use of the devices. Unlike other manufacturers today.

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            • 10 Oct 2024

            Marco M, 10 Oct 2024Non-tch-savvy people will not use 3rd party app stores. Eve... moreI think the idea behind having different stores is to actually:

            1. Allow apps, which Google does not allow (any 3rd party YouTube player for example, online radio stations, etc).

            2. Sell games and apps on different terms. Like Epic store for PC for example.

            In short - good for all of us, enough bs from Google/Sony/steam/etc monopolists.

              Informer, 09 Oct 2024most people's are not tech savvy and that should be un... moreNon-tch-savvy people will not use 3rd party app stores. Even if they did, those app stores have access to the same app library as google play and will also have security measures in place. Google and apple are not the only companies capable of running app stores.

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                • 10 Oct 2024

                It’s a good thing that I switch to iphone last year since there are so many scammers creating malware disguising as invitation, pdf file and others in SEA.

                The thing is samsung has already made the right move with their knox and block sideloading andshow security warning (it can be turn off), but with this ruling meaning sideloading will not even has warning pop up is just screw up.

                  Anonymous, 08 Oct 2024You should read the article. There are warnings that discou... moreI mean, they warn for a reason. Too many people install some random malware apk. But when it comes from the official Epic website, you can safely ignore the warning. Finding launchers for apps in the play store feels weird

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                    • 10 Oct 2024

                    1989 nothinghappened, 09 Oct 2024Make every phone bootloader unlockable too, including iphones.put it on aosp's eula and it definitely happen

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                      • 09 Oct 2024

                      Anonymous, 09 Oct 2024Only if you're in the EU.That is not true. The EU has *officially supported third party app stores, meaning Apple gets paid from these third party app stores if they sell apps. There has been regular third party app stores available to the whole world but they have been just .ipa hosting sites (like .apk for Android).

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                        • 09 Oct 2024

                        Anonymous, 09 Oct 2024that is just a part of a install process, what about runnin... moreAre you talking about the novel process of say.. tapping the app icon and running the app??? 😂

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                          • 09 Oct 2024

                          jellyacei, 09 Oct 2024there are also 3rd party app stores in ios now, and install... moreOnly if you're in the EU.

                            Make every phone bootloader unlockable too, including iphones.

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                              • 09 Oct 2024

                              Anonymous, 09 Oct 2024Tbf you don't need to install a third party app store ... morethat is just a part of a install process, what about running these app on device within the os that affecting all users not just the ones who badly want 3rd party apps on their devices.

                                Well even a tiny mice can beat a titan good.

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                                  Anonymous, 09 Oct 2024Tbf you don't need to install a third party app store ... moreOh, believe me, you don't need a new browser for each site you visit, all you need is to type in the url address in PlayStore and accept the keys

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                                    • 09 Oct 2024

                                    jellyacei, 09 Oct 2024there are also 3rd party app stores in ios now, and install... moreTbf you don't need to install a third party app store to sideload on iOS, that's why the majority of third party app stores for iOS are browser based. You just tap "install" next to the app on a website and the "install" dialog pops up on your phone and the app self installs. Not really that hard, to install the app store itself is no different than installing an app, since itself is an app, just tap "install".

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                                      Marco M, 09 Oct 2024No, this is in fact great and how it always should have bee... moreyour comment says same as epic games mindset. but you are not thinking about side effects not to others but gamers.

                                      this kind of gateway to allow 3rd party app is security risk on os level. it doesn't matter you installed apps or not.

                                      more doors means more attacks.

                                      os doesn't make your device secure, but less bugs, loopholes and vulnerability will.

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                                        • 09 Oct 2024

                                        Marco M, 09 Oct 2024No, this is in fact great and how it always should have bee... moremost people's are not tech savvy and that should be understood by others allowing 3rd party apps without overlook of security of device and os will make the device less secure and more vulnerable to attacks also will bring more harm than good.

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