ARM is dropping Qualcomm’s chip design license

23 October 2024
The current situation traces its roots to a legal dispute between the two firms from 2022.

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DaFink, 25 Oct 2024Well I don't know what else to say then, except this m... moreMediatek exists. Soon they will catch up.

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    • 27 Oct 2024

    ARM must sue Qualcomm instead by stealing ARM's rights infringing the core design.

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      • 25 Oct 2024

      Anonymous, 25 Oct 2024BTW, From other site... The license that ARM dropping f... moreSo that means the normal chips that are v8/v9 are still produced right!? 😳

        Hemedans, 24 Oct 2024Man i specific told you they ditch E2500 because of AI, the... moreWell I don't know what else to say then, except this matter means Samsung and Android are finished, dried up, kaput, finito, over, history, doomed, and you best go get yourself an iPhone


        At least that way, your point about Apple directly benefitting from all this will have been proven 🤷‍♂️

          Anonymous, 24 Oct 2024Can I ask? You're main question is whether Apple would... moreOk, I appreciate the points you have made. I wouldn't necessarily agree with your break down of customer types though, as a few of the categories listed overlap considerably others are not mutually inclusive.

          For example

          1. Those that strong performance, well for starters 'performance' can mean a few things, you'd need to define what performance the customer is interested in .
          2. Those that prefer cheaper yet efficient phones, again 'efficiency' is not clear. Are you referring to battery life? if so that does not always go hand in hand with low cost.

          Also, whilst I would agree (to a point) a that SoC matters when buying a phone but customers do not understand its importance. Again, why would the average customer need to understand that importance beyond being assured that the device they are purchasing will perform the task it its advertised as being capable of.

          Most people don't care for the tech jargon associated with SoC's, they don't want to be told about Mhz, L2 caches, the number of token inputs or how many of what type of cores it has. They just want to know whether the device they are upgrading to is overall an improvement over the one they currently have. and these people make up the majority of customers.

          And in the end, unless this dispute between Arm and Qualcomm results in those that use Android choosing to make the switch over to Apple, I don't see how Apple will directly benefit from this.

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            • 25 Oct 2024

            right or left these soc are based on arm licenses.

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              • 25 Oct 2024

              BTW,
              From other site...

              The license that ARM dropping from qualcon is v7, not v8
              in other words, Qualcomm can't produce 32bit arm chip anymore.

                I thought this would happen, literally these guys at snapdragon launch event, boasted the new oryon cpu like ARM cores are nothing infront of them, and now just browsing the news in this app. I literally LMAO 🤣🤣

                  DaFink, 24 Oct 2024I have to laugh, I read constantly on this site how Apple f... moreMan i specific told you they ditch E2500 because of AI, they could easily go for cheaper D9400 but they went for snapdragon because of NPU, source here

                  https://www.hankyung.com/article/2024090197421

                  You can translate that article they specific said

                  "The industry analyzed that Samsung has decided to use only the highest-performance components to fend off the pursuit of Apple and Chinese companies in the just-opened artificial intelligence (AI) phone market."

                  "Snapdragon 8 gen4 AP is known to have improved its core performance by more than 30% compared to its predecessor, including the implementation of generative AI functions."

                  So Samsung choose specific 8 elite and if they chose E2500 or D9400 their AI features would be affected.

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                    • 24 Oct 2024

                    DaFink, 24 Oct 2024I have to laugh, I read constantly on this site how Apple f... moreCan I ask? You're main question is whether Apple would benefit from this issue or not, right? Well what I can say is definitely.

                    Reason:
                    1. Some people who cares about this kind of matters would/might switch to Apple if the problem elevates and create more conflicts between Qualcomm and Arm resulting in some delays for many upcoming projects of Qualcomm users.

                    A question relevant to this arguments I've read. Will Android finally lose out to apple if Qualcomm vanished? Not necessarily so.

                    Reason:
                    1. Even without Qualcomm, Android still has the uprising Mediatek and Samsung's Exynos. Furthermore, unless Apple lowers their product prices, they won't get a total advantage as the majority of people would rather buy cheaper phones with efficient performance rather than something expensive that'll give them more security and etc.

                    Another relevant question. Does SoC matter when it comes to buying a phone? Yes it does. Not many people may not understand its importance but at least they know that phones that perform well must've had a strong processor for it to work well.

                    Let's now talk about a consumer's pov.

                    If I'm not mistaken, there should be different types of buyers.
                    1. The ones that follows the trend(someone who doesn't care about brands and other stuffs as long as they're trendy)
                    2. The ones who prefer cheaper yet efficient phones(those who usually buy phones that perform well and is good enough for their daily essentials)
                    3. The ones who prefer strong performance phones(usually gamers, etc)
                    4. The ones who prefer safer phones (usually people who prefer apple products)
                    5. The technerds that buys whatever phone that they think is suitable for whatever their preferences are(or the ones who are simply interested to these topic that we are currently at)

                    Lastly is performance
                    They say that Sd Elite is currently at the lead followed closely by A18 and D9400.
                    In terms of multi-core performance both Sd elite and D94k is comparable with each other with A18 lagging slightly behind but I think that the main reason is that both SD elite and D9.4k has octa-cores while A18 only has hexa-core. But when in terms of single core performance, both lags behind A18 due to its more efficient main processor.

                      Hemedans, 24 Oct 2024You are confusing things here, absense of 8 elite won'... moreI have to laugh, I read constantly on this site how Apple fans are mindless sheep, the type who are more likely to think an SoC is something you wear on your foot. Now a bunch of tech mumbo jumbo at an event the vast majority of them doubtless didn't watch will have them jumping ship in numbers that will be more than a rounding error in the grand scheme of things.....🤦‍♂️

                      Consider me sceptical of that one, to get the attention of even a meaningful number of the Apple faithful, Samsung would need to include iOS long before the SoC gets a look in......

                      Yeah the SoC is the driving force of feature sets, but there is nothing the upcoming S25 range could do with an 8 Elite that it couldn't with the market equivalent SoC, the 9400 for example. You mentioned Fanboys earlier, well you obviously are so taken with Qualcomm that you can't see past them......

                        DaFink, 24 Oct 2024You keep dodging my point but I'll answer yours. It�... moreYou are confusing things here, absense of 8 elite won't make me move to Apple but definetely presense of it will made some Apple users move to Android.

                        Same things happened to Android during sd 888/8 gen 1 from 13 pro max to 14 pro max Apple posted outstanding efficiency numbers, Both Samsung and Chinese Oems lost many Highend users.

                        Also soc is mother of those features.
                        1. Because of advanced NPU you See AI
                        2. Because of better media Engine you see better display, Higher resolution etc
                        3. Because of better Isp you see Good camera
                        4. Because of better i/o you see things like Samsung Dex
                        5. Because of better Bluetooth and Audio codecs you see things like earbuds and other accessories etc

                        Majority of features are affected by what type of soc you chose, that's why I told you first report of Samsung ditching E2500 in S25 was because of AI, NPU in there wasn't as advanced as 8 elite, features which Samsung planned for S25 will perform better with 8 elite.

                          Hemedans, 24 Oct 2024Then Explain it to me why 8 gen 4 has 50% more orders than ... moreYou keep dodging my point but I'll answer yours. It's obviously all solely and only down to the SOC now isn't it, there are no other factors whatsoever at play is there. That's what you want to hear isn't it???

                          So, why should Samsung ever bother with any other spec improvements, or design changes at all eh. They can just keep re-releasing the same designs with the same specs, camera's, batteries, screens etc. over and over, just keep swapping to the latest SoC and watch the customers come flocking in right???

                          Weirdly though, that's exactly what I'm constantly being told Apple are doing, just using the same old tired designs with new chips, and apparently sales are dwindling you say 🤔

                          Funny little contradiction you got going on there, almost as if the SoC is just one among a plethora of aspects when it comes to a successful smartphone business. My suggestion is you stop thinking the world revolves around Qualcomm and that Samsung, Xiaomi, etc are big and smart enough to successfully navigate around these kind of hiccups 🤷‍♂️

                          So, I'll ask again, will the absence of an 8 Elite have you jumping ship to Apple????

                            DaFink, 24 Oct 2024Oh for pete's sake 🤦‍♂️ I'm not saying the &#... moreThen Explain it to me why 8 gen 4 has 50% more orders than previous flagship soc 8 gen 3. Also tell me where do those extra customers came from and why Apple sales are declining.

                              Hemedans, 24 Oct 2024Man, Ming-Chi kuo himself predict 50% increase Of 8 elite ... moreOh for pete's sake 🤦‍♂️

                              I'm not saying the 'Snapdragon' brand doesn't hold some appeal, it obviously does, not as much as I think you are implying, especially outside of the tech bubble and those that frequent sites such as this. Your comment though was that this would benefit Apple. I don't know how as they don't sell their silicon, so it's not like Samsung can turn to them as an alternative now is it.

                              So the only other way it would benefit Apple was if those planning on buying 8 elite equipped devices (which will obviously be Android), are now going to switch to Apple products, I wonder what Ming-Chi kuo and Samsung's exec's would have to say on that 🤔

                              Or should Samsung just be advised to call it a day and pack the whole thing in now??

                                DaFink, 24 Oct 2024None of this is relevant as you are putting it all down to ... moreMan, Ming-Chi kuo himself predict 50% increase Of 8 elite due to soc itself being special and Samsung huge demand of them. First report of Samsung not using E2500 came out because 8 elite had better perfomance in AI than E2500, Samsung is Riding AI bandwagon since release of S24 and they will continue with S25, so Samsung Exec do think 8 elite is reason for them to increase S25 sales, otherwise they would pick "Cheaper" D9400 or E2500.

                                Tim Roh went to Snapdragon event himself, and was only talking about AI.

                                So if you think 8 elite won't increase sales of Samsung device that's your opinion but Analyst and Samsung Exec themselves they do think it will.

                                  Hemedans, 24 Oct 2024Do you guys even check statistics of these issues? Samsung ... moreNone of this is relevant as you are putting it all down to one single aspect, the SoC!

                                  Go ask Samsung themselves if they base all of their sales expectation's solely on what chip a device has 🤷‍♂️

                                  Hell, based on your logic Samsung should just keep the exact same device's in all of their range year after year after year, and just simply swap out the SoC for a newer ones. And now, seeing as they may not be able to use new Qualcomm chips, just give up altogether and leave the market.

                                  Can you see how one dimensional your stance is, on a market as complex and muti-faceted as this 🤷‍♂️

                                    Luke, 24 Oct 2024well, you do realize that "double digit" increase... moreThis comment is 180° u turn of your previous claim that S24U sold less, can you explain slowly to me how 10% increase in Sales and 10% increase in revenue lead to less sales of S24 vs S23?

                                      Anonymous, 24 Oct 2024Samsung doesn't speak for all the consumer market. Onl... moreDo you guys even check statistics of these issues? Samsung has 17% of premium marketshare (which compete with Apple) after Samsung is Huawei 5% then Xiaomi 2% no other Oems has more than 1%, Even Xiaomi managed to get 2% after Snapdragon 8 gen 2 was released.

                                      So slightly increase of Samsung phones greatly impact Soc marketshare

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                                        Hemedans, 24 Oct 2024A54 was much better than A53 and it manage to enter top 10 ... morewell, you do realize that "double digit" increase of something that failed to meed expectations is a vague and not-so-proud statement, right?
                                        It can simply be 10% increase in sales (which is nothing basically) and considering price increase between 22, 23 and 24 series -> there you go, revenue increased as well.

                                        I'm sure Sony might come (if they haven't yet) again with such statement re PS5 vs PS4 vs PS3, but that does not mean PS5 is total flop ;)

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