ARM is dropping Qualcomm’s chip design license

23 October 2024
The current situation traces its roots to a legal dispute between the two firms from 2022.

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Techgeek91, 10 hours agoseems like mediatek bribing arm for this step.....MediaTek share in highend market is like 3% they are that insignificant, I would argue Qualcomm making custom core benefit Mediatek more, because they will have upper hand negotiating with Arm.

    https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-65009.php

    Qualcomm had to expect a response and if true this is not a response I expected as I didn't want to post speculations

    In my first of two posts I briefly touched on the 16/12/2024 Federal case in Delaware.

    Arm is suing Qualcomm the case is 54 days away however let me share with you why this 60 notice is relevant

    Nuvia Oryon is NOT licensed by Arm to alter Arm SoC only Qualcomm is. Nuvia even though bought by Qualcomm licences cannot be Transferred

    Tentatively I write Snapdragon 8 Elite (stupid name) Oryon is not and was not licensed by Arm. If I interject one pertinent point for Arm if Nuvia were not sold and Nuvia wanted to be a "competitor" of Qualcomm it would be paying Arm a lot more than it is or was.

    Tentatively Nuvia Oryon is not per Arm licenced, so Qualcomm in releasing S8 elite is in defiance 60 days from now neither will be Qualcomm.

    My take just on this story is
    (Y) to indicate to the Judge that Qualcomm did this, so we Arm responded
    (Z) Document Served by Arm on Qualcomm (before S8 Gen 3 ) essentially cease and desist not to use Oryon on mobile SoC, which and I really really don't know Qualcomm have assured Arm it would not...And yet here we are

    (I've "saved" the A-X as that is speculation and I haven't seen ORIGINAL source material to establish a theory which is correct

    There is a sliding scale between what Arm WANTS and what if any Qualcomm is currently paying, a fair amount will be determined by the Judge will ultimately decide if it does go that far with any ensuing appeals

    Atm imo, there is a shift in 100% in Arm's favour as after 60 days Qualcomm can't continue with TWO licenses withdrawn

    And we haven't even seen D9400 V S8 Elite go head to head, yet we already have thermals

      WickedS, 9 hours agoSnapdragon have the license to make custom cores. The compa... moreAccording to Arm Nuvia licence was for servers not Consumer device, so it's not like Qualcomm is 100% right.

      But whatever reason They shouldn't go this far, I can't see anyone benefit from this other than Apple.

        Anonymous, 11 hours agoPurchasing nuvia was clear sign of wish to have own design.... moreThe discussion is not trying to PROVE what qualcomm wish /intention is regarding their custom cpu

        The point was suggesting a means where they can achieve said goal without immediate consequences
        Like their licence being revoked in a covert way

        How is buying nuvia covert?

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          theRajeshV, 11 hours agoQualcomm will certainly work it out for now... But this is ... moreRemember last year Google and Qualcomm have partnered to make RISC-V the default Android wear OS platform

          This will mean from 2028 all Android wear OS devices will be powered by RISC-V based SoC's

            Techgeek91, 10 hours agoThat's a lose-lose situation for both as Qualcomm is A... moreI think Arm is doing a service to the world. Helping them change to RISC V faster.
            Google is already going to support it. Now if Snapdragon goes Revenge mode...

              Anonymous, 10 hours agoQualcomm use their knowledge on ARM's IP to create the... moreSnapdragon have the license to make custom cores. The company they purchased had it too.
              Arm is just being extremely greedy.
              I don't understand how is this not Anti competitive? Why no one doing anything to Arm now?

                Techgeek91, 10 hours agoseems like mediatek bribing arm for this step.....I was doubting Apple. Because they were ex employees and Apple doesn't want Snapdragon to catch up maybe.

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                  Look! Companies that hold patents always want to squeeze and want more profit from consumers who use their patents.ARM's foundation has already shown signs of their greed and ego for fear of their technology being outclassed by their consumers.If the ARM case continues to drag on and there is no resolution, one day you will go bankrupt and everything will be dominated by risc-v which is more open source for risc instruction set. IF ARM ACT WORSE AND EVEN WORSE I HOPE THEY WILL GET BAD KARMA AND LOSE THEIR DOMINANCE.

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                    LoL 😂😂 how ironically 🙄

                      Anonymous, 10 hours agoQualcomm use their knowledge on ARM's IP to create the... moreThat's a lose-lose situation for both as Qualcomm is ARM's biggest customer....This means, there could possibly be a delay or even a halt in the development of new Snapdragon chips, affecting the supply chain for many Android phone manufacturers that depend on Qualcomm's processors for their devices. This could lead to delayed device releases, or even a price hike for Android phones. But on the flip side, this may turn out to be good news for MediaTek, since the delays may lead to OEMs looking for alternative chipmakers for their smartphones

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                        Techgeek91, 10 hours agoseems like mediatek bribing arm for this step.....Qualcomm use their knowledge on ARM's IP to create their own CPU and believe that's totally fine. On the other hands ARM believe Qualcomm need to pay.

                        Then, they're disagree....
                        And then the drama begin
                        And will be settled in court or out of court with undisclosed amount of money

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                          Rosso, 11 hours agoCan't figure out if this is about the instruction set ... moreI think it's about instruction set.

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                            No way Qualcomm actually loses their licenses. Either Qualcomm wins in court, or they'll negotiate a new deal with ARM.

                              seems like mediatek bribing arm for this step.....

                                Rosso, 11 hours agoCan't figure out if this is about the instruction set ... moreGood question, and no it isn't clear from the article. I remember that whilst originally 'Kryo' cores were fully in house Qualcomm designs, later iterations of Kryo were semi custom modifications of Cortex cores built using the BOC (Built on Cortex) licence Qualcomm signed with Arm. Maybe this is a hangover from some of the terms and conditions in that licence agreement 🤔

                                All I know is it would be in the interests of both parties to get this one straightened out lickety-split 🤷‍♂️

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                                  Qualcomm probably have a CPU architecture hidden somewhere.

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                                    and Linux kernel developers are tired of all the intel amd x86 hardware bugs, the next gen hw will probably be the best yet

                                      Qualcomm will certainly work it out for now... But this is a pretty big boost for RISC-V.

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                                        Both company's future is at stake but if arm goes with this decision, more damage will be to arm
                                        1) They will lose on the major customer
                                        2) more and more companies will try to get away from arm
                                        Looks like arm is on self destruction mode.

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