ARM is dropping Qualcomm’s chip design license

23 October 2024
The current situation traces its roots to a legal dispute between the two firms from 2022.

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  • 23 Oct 2024

Qualcomm needs to find another partner. We need snapdragon like water.

    Another boring tireless battle just like with US, TSMC and Huawei.

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      • 23 Oct 2024

      Hemedans, 23 Oct 2024MediaTek share in highend market is like 3% they are that i... moreAnd that should change

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        • 23 Oct 2024

        DaFink, 23 Oct 2024How exactly would Apple benefit from this?Qualcomm will not be able to deliver snapdragon 8 elite, so no competition remains for apple chip.

          I Just Read, 23 Oct 2024https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-65009.php Qualcomm had... moreIt can't stop the sales of currently selling phones. Iqoo 13, t 7 pro.
          As far as I know there are many ways for Snapdragon to leagally delay it.

            Hemedans, 23 Oct 2024What make soc expensive or cheap is not clock speed but die... moreMakrsod don't sow up here again or I show up.

              DaFink, 23 Oct 2024How exactly would Apple benefit from this?Current Snapdragon soc use Nuvia (Oryon) cores made by former Apple Employees, these cores directly compete with Apple business, Highend smartphone and Laptop.

              If you look at trends since sd 8 gen 2 era Large Android Oems like Samsung, Xiaomi and Huawei grow a lot in premium smartphone (those cost $600 or more), nowadays Flagship soc are so powerfull and efficient to the point they beat even midrange.

              According to Ming-Chi kuo sd 8 gen 4 (8 elite) broke records, shipment are up 50% vs 8 gen 3, all of these will eat Apple pie, in 2022 Apple had 75% share, in 2023 71% share, I won't be suprised if these cores helped Android Oems brake 30% of premium phones.

              That first thing, another issues is Nuvia success made many Apple Engineer leave to create companies so they can be acquired , there are reports Apple is insecure and time time warn it's employees that leaving company won't make them successfull. So for them this project failure is all they want.

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                • Anonymous
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                • 23 Oct 2024

                Anonymous, 23 Oct 2024Imagine if Qualcomm cannot update 6 and 7 series now. Man... moreSE is a joke. The new one will likely be 500 or more USD not cheap at all. One camera and 60hz... A phone from ancient times.

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                  • 23 Oct 2024

                  Anonymous, 23 Oct 2024Remember last year Google and Qualcomm have partnered to ma... morearm shot in arm

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                    • 23 Oct 2024

                    All of this is a plot to promote Apple and Google

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                      • 23 Oct 2024

                      DaFink, 23 Oct 2024How exactly would Apple benefit from this?Imagine if Qualcomm cannot update 6 and 7 series now.
                      Many will be going to next iphone SE .

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                        • 23 Oct 2024

                        Hemedans, 23 Oct 2024What make soc expensive or cheap is not clock speed but die... moreTell that to qualcomm, one that sold 855+ and 865+ at higher price than 855 and 865 when only difference was frequency of one A7x core.

                          Hemedans, 23 Oct 2024According to Arm Nuvia licence was for servers not Consumer... moreHow exactly would Apple benefit from this?

                            Anonymous, 23 Oct 2024Decrease frequency of cores ( also gou too) of 8 elite and ... moreWhat make soc expensive or cheap is not clock speed but die size, just reducing clocks won't make soc cheaper.

                              Techgeek91, 23 Oct 2024seems like mediatek bribing arm for this step.....MediaTek share in highend market is like 3% they are that insignificant, I would argue Qualcomm making custom core benefit Mediatek more, because they will have upper hand negotiating with Arm.

                                https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-65009.php

                                Qualcomm had to expect a response and if true this is not a response I expected as I didn't want to post speculations

                                In my first of two posts I briefly touched on the 16/12/2024 Federal case in Delaware.

                                Arm is suing Qualcomm the case is 54 days away however let me share with you why this 60 notice is relevant

                                Nuvia Oryon is NOT licensed by Arm to alter Arm SoC only Qualcomm is. Nuvia even though bought by Qualcomm licences cannot be Transferred

                                Tentatively I write Snapdragon 8 Elite (stupid name) Oryon is not and was not licensed by Arm. If I interject one pertinent point for Arm if Nuvia were not sold and Nuvia wanted to be a "competitor" of Qualcomm it would be paying Arm a lot more than it is or was.

                                Tentatively Nuvia Oryon is not per Arm licenced, so Qualcomm in releasing S8 elite is in defiance 60 days from now neither will be Qualcomm.

                                My take just on this story is
                                (Y) to indicate to the Judge that Qualcomm did this, so we Arm responded
                                (Z) Document Served by Arm on Qualcomm (before S8 Gen 3 ) essentially cease and desist not to use Oryon on mobile SoC, which and I really really don't know Qualcomm have assured Arm it would not...And yet here we are

                                (I've "saved" the A-X as that is speculation and I haven't seen ORIGINAL source material to establish a theory which is correct

                                There is a sliding scale between what Arm WANTS and what if any Qualcomm is currently paying, a fair amount will be determined by the Judge will ultimately decide if it does go that far with any ensuing appeals

                                Atm imo, there is a shift in 100% in Arm's favour as after 60 days Qualcomm can't continue with TWO licenses withdrawn

                                And we haven't even seen D9400 V S8 Elite go head to head, yet we already have thermals

                                  WickedS, 23 Oct 2024Snapdragon have the license to make custom cores. The compa... moreAccording to Arm Nuvia licence was for servers not Consumer device, so it's not like Qualcomm is 100% right.

                                  But whatever reason They shouldn't go this far, I can't see anyone benefit from this other than Apple.

                                    Anonymous, 23 Oct 2024Purchasing nuvia was clear sign of wish to have own design.... moreThe discussion is not trying to PROVE what qualcomm wish /intention is regarding their custom cpu

                                    The point was suggesting a means where they can achieve said goal without immediate consequences
                                    Like their licence being revoked in a covert way

                                    How is buying nuvia covert?

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                                      • Anonymous
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                                      • 23 Oct 2024

                                      theRajeshV, 23 Oct 2024Qualcomm will certainly work it out for now... But this is ... moreRemember last year Google and Qualcomm have partnered to make RISC-V the default Android wear OS platform

                                      This will mean from 2028 all Android wear OS devices will be powered by RISC-V based SoC's

                                        Techgeek91, 23 Oct 2024That's a lose-lose situation for both as Qualcomm is A... moreI think Arm is doing a service to the world. Helping them change to RISC V faster.
                                        Google is already going to support it. Now if Snapdragon goes Revenge mode...

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