Apple unveils M4 Pro and M4 Max with up to 16 CPU cores and 40 GPU cores

30 October 2024
They are Apple's most powerful chips ever.

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Anonymous, 31 Oct 2024The full context is important when fact checking. The me... moreSo is your point literally about comparing the memory bandwidth of M4 (which you intentionally didn't mention to prove your point) to that of RTX 4090, hence suggesting that Apple shouldn't have been ambiguous about what they are exactly comparing to in their presentation? In that case I somewhat understand what you're on about - It definitely would've been nicer if Apple straight up stated that they were pitting their M4 series against laptop SoCs (I wouldn't call the current Lunar Lake lineup, Snapdragon X Elite nor Ryzen AI 300 a tablet chip) of a similar power envelope and directly calling out their names. "AI PC" could mean literally anything, after all.

    Anonymous, 30 Oct 2024Exactly what many people wish. we're getting that, slowly. Intel's newest laptop processor series, Lunar Lake, is quite good. The past 1-2 years have been exceptional for Windows laptop processors, we got Qualcomm's excellent X Elite chips, AMD's Ryzen AI series and Intel's Core Ultra series. These are leaps and bounds ahead of previous chips.

      Anonymous, 31 Oct 2024The full context is important when fact checking. The me... moreall that is cool and all but have you seen Apple's efficiency? Apple ain't the fastest but they're the coolest, make the quietest "PCs" and their stuff is like super compact. If we're strictly talking about performance then I'd say Apple gives good enough performance to get most stuff done since on Mac, lots of software is well optimized.

      But for the price it's just a scam basically. You're better off building a Ryzen EPYC PC with a 90 series GPU from NVIDIA. Even then you're gonna have money left lol. Apple's stuff is only good for someone who wants a low-key PC solution that is super fast in terms of CPU processes but only "gets the job done" in terms of GPU.

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        • 31 Oct 2024

        Wow...
        Apple compared it's M4 chips with M1 chips, a latest chip against chip from 3 generations back 👏🏽👏🏽

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          Nick Tegrataker, 31 Oct 2024"Which is eight times faster than what Apple claims&qu... moreThe full context is important when fact checking.

          The memory bandwidth of a GeForce RTX 4090 is 1.01 TERA BYTES PER SECOND. Which is eight times faster than what Apple claims. Because Apple falsely claim PC AI hardware maxes out at an eights of what it really do.

          If Apple wants to compare their "PC hardware" with real PC hardware in numbers, the only way they don't lose biggly is by misrepresenting a specific tablet processor as the peak of PC AI.

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            Anonymous, 30 Oct 2024Bro you are just a apple fanboy what about amd radeon Apus ... moreIt still gets better ppw than those

              Anonymous, 30 Oct 2024Full disclosure about PC AI hardware. The memory bandwidth ... more"Which is eight times faster than what Apple claims"
              If you take M4 Max's bandwidth figure, 1.01TB / 546GB = approximately 1.92 times faster.

              "AI PC" is most likely referring to these Lunar Lake/Snapdragon X Elite/Ryzen AI 300 series powered laptops that are similar in weight and size, not RTX 4090 powered ones that drink battery juice like a bottle of water.

                Anonymous, 30 Oct 2024Hey, it was Apple who started with the out of context and d... moreFrom what I could remember, in their past presentations, Apple never claimed their M series SoCs' AI performance would be comparable to that of NVIDIA's dedicated graphics. In terms of the raw graphical performance, however, they have made plenty of comparisons (which makes sense because M3 Max's iGPU is only ~7% slower than RTX 4080 Laptop in GFXBench).

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                  Anonymous, 30 Oct 2024Wow, a GPU that consumes ~ 450w under load vs a 25w SOC? N... moreHey, it was Apple who started with the out of context and denialistic comparisons.

                  Here's a valid PC AI response to your claim: A PC with a GeForce RTX 4090 use zero Watts of power, up to 24 hours a day*. That is infinitely better than ANY Apple processors.


                  (* Depending on how many hours it is powered on. Lies are easy, if you only compare what you want to compare.

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                    I need new phone, 30 Oct 2024im not an apple fan but man.....these cpus are so good in t... moreExactly what many people wish.

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                      Anonymous, 30 Oct 2024Wow, a GPU that consumes ~ 450w under load vs a 25w SOC? N... moreBro you are just a apple fanboy what about amd radeon Apus or intel arc and plus apple is using it as a desktop chip so what about amd ryzen 9 9950x against intel core ultra 9

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                        More Powha, 30 Oct 2024do they also throttle ?Macbook Pro and Mac Mini have active cooling. Macbook Air will certainly throttle due to passive cooling.

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                          Anonymous, 30 Oct 2024if you see the video again they are comparing to a intel co... more"not even that good"

                          They're making that comparison because it's within the same power envelope as the M4 chips. Apple is like black magic when it comes to power efficiency. Even with higher powered Arrow Lake-H chips on mobile, Apple will still dominate.

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                            TechDevil, 30 Oct 2024Apple's 40 ish tops vs rtx 4090 1300 tops. What a joke... moreWow, a GPU that consumes ~ 450w under load vs a 25w SOC? Not to mention, the Apple SOC blows away Lunar Lake and even Snapdragon chips. Yep, what a joke!

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                              Anonymous, 30 Oct 2024Pretty sure they are comparing it to the 1068NG7 :V it fits... moreif you see the video again they are comparing to a intel core 7 258v which is not even that good.

                                Anonymous, 30 Oct 2024Full disclosure about PC AI hardware. The memory bandwidth ... moreApple's 40 ish tops vs rtx 4090 1300 tops. What a joke apple is

                                  im not an apple fan but man.....these cpus are so good in term of power/W..... if we only had windows versions of macbooks that would be awsome ........HP or lenovo could make a laptop out of them for half the price and same specs LMAO

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                                    • 30 Oct 2024

                                    Mac Mini gets a downsized form factor and this chip.


                                    Impossible.

                                      Because M4 Max will cost around a PC with CPU+ Nvidia GPU so this 4x powerful than Intel's mobile tier internal graphics card doesn't hold a candle.

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                                        • 30 Oct 2024

                                        Full disclosure about PC AI hardware. The memory bandwidth of a GeForce RTX 4090 is 1.01 TERA BYTES PER SECOND. Which is eight times faster than what Apple claims. What is more important, PC hardware is smarter designed, with memory designed specifically for component needs, while Apple use share memory for everything. AI and graphics primarily require as much bandwidth as possible, while processors focuses on low latency on random data processing, because the latter obviously needs to do a lot of different things.

                                        Lastly, PC AI hardware is going PCIE 5.0 as we speak. The imminent GeForce RTX 5080 is supposed to deliver 1.5 TB/s memory bandwidth. Three times of the most extreme Apple hardware. And that won't even the the top of the line RTX 5000. PC is and always will be the racing masters.

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