Samsung ISOCELL's All Lenses on Prism (ALoP) is a new and better periscope design
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- 07 Jan 2025
Ottonis, 07 Jan 2025I totally agree, Google's Pixel, in particular the ear... moreI think the solution here is better on-sensor processing. E.g dual slope gain, Dual vertical transfer gate, etcetera.
Take a look at the Oppo find X8 and X8 pro. The X8 has a smaller sensor, but the image quality is shockingly similar on all lenses.
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- Ottonis
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- 07 Jan 2025
AnonD-1185368, 07 Jan 2025Apple uses a 1/3.06" sensor for its 5x telephoto, and ... moreI totally agree, Google's Pixel, in particular the early iterations, did have fairly small sensors but revolutionary computational capabilities, which resulted in great photos.
The problem is that computational photography can only go so far, it has its own limitations.
That's why very small sensors still have problems with moving objects at low light.
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Ottonis, 30 Dec 2024Apparently, Samsung is going to repeat Intel's mistake... moreApple uses a 1/3.06" sensor for its 5x telephoto, and in broad daylight, images come out looking amazing.
Sensor size is important, yes, but with amazing processing, even a tiny sensor can give shocking results.
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- 30 Dec 2024
Apparently, Samsung is going to repeat Intel's mistakes from 2010-2017: being so successful and dominating that they just stop innovating and advancing their technology. While other cameraphone makers like vivo do embrace large sensors and bright lenses for their tele modules, Samsung sticks with tiny 1/2.5" - 1/3" sensors and relatively dim lenses.
No AI on earth can entirely replace good hardware, so in 2025, Samsung will most likely not be at the forefront of cameraphones.
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- Anonymous
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- 29 Dec 2024
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024But it says it is only good for up to 3.4x magnification. W... morePeriscope telephoto lens have better clarity, less distortion and better low light. that's why the 5x is better than 3x in many scenarios
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- 22 Nov 2024
Thinner, brighter, more expensive due to fact is new thing but its actually litterary same thing as the one before.
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Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024Isn't this design already used in Oneplus 13 and Oppo ... moreIt’s similar but it’s not the same. The one Oppo, OnePlus and Realme are using are “W”-style periscope telephotos. Which are thinner and more compact than conventional periscope telephotos. But not as compact as Samsung’s L/angle shape design.
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- 19 Nov 2024
Nick Tegrataker, 18 Nov 2024No, it makes sense because this design would still allow th... moreBut it says it is only good for up to 3.4x magnification. Wouldn't a regular telephoto setup without periscope make more sense?
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- Anonymous
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- 19 Nov 2024
Isn't this design already used in Oneplus 13 and Oppo 8x?? It's exactly what is described in this article.
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024next try FLoP design few lens on prism and few in horizonta... moreProbably the next thing would be thinning of lens through meta material lens (superlens) which allow for incredibly thin lens, which you can stack more on top of each other
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- 19 Nov 2024
One of big advantage of this setup that no one seems to even understand to begin with is hence the sensor is tilted it means its height got smaller in z axis which in turn can results 2 things. either we get smaller z axis bump or we can get bigger sensor to be fitted there.
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024Maybe you should read my comment again. You haven't un... moreEither you are super dumb or since has changed!
Last time I checked "80mm is the field of view" was meaningless as filed of view has been expressed with degree of viewing angle!
"The field of view (FOV) is the angular extent of the observable world that is seen at any given moment."
"In photography, the field of view is that part of the world that is visible through the camera at a particular position and orientation in space; objects outside the FOV when the picture is taken are not recorded in the photograph. It is most often expressed as the angular size of the view cone, as an angle of view."
so 80mm filed of view means nothing!
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- Anonymous
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024It's send slightly brighter light to the sensor but th... morenext try FLoP design few lens on prism and few in horizontally stacked combination :)
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024ALOP footprint is a lot smaller, but how does it affect zoo... moreIt's send slightly brighter light to the sensor but the zoom is limited to 3.3 times the magnification, beyond that you have to use the traditional periscope setup
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- Anonymous
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- 19 Nov 2024
why we are not seeing google pixel 3 wedge shape design to hide camera bumps and phone rattling over flat surface. that design also provide more room for battery/camera.speaker housing and better glance at phone while resting on flat surface like calculator.
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- 19 Nov 2024
Stanley Kubrick, 18 Nov 2024I thought this would make the cameras FLAT to the back wher... morePhone manufacturers, since it takes up less space inside leaving more space for other components
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- 19 Nov 2024
nice
but what about the height of the imaging module?
maybe a retractable lens mechanism like in Huawei Pura 70 Ultra might help...
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- Anonymous
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- 19 Nov 2024
ALOP footprint is a lot smaller, but how does it affect zoom range and image quality?
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024Maybe you should read my comment again. You haven't un... moreDo you get a wider collection point with a bigger lens, or do you get less? Yes, in convoluted microsensors, "brightness" can also be "artificially" induced, for bokeh. You just don't get more light, just a more finicky focal point. But generally speaking on a basic lens design, a larger lens equals a brighter lens. Because, it naturally forces a wide surface onto a smal focal point, which creates the narrow depth of field, because there will only be a very narrow depth where you'll get focus, and that large piece of glass makes it BRIGHT. So, keep your convoluted complaining to yourself. You are deliberately wrong, just to make a nonsensical complaint.
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- 19 Nov 2024
ALoP vs Tetraprism?