Samsung ISOCELL's All Lenses on Prism (ALoP) is a new and better periscope design
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- 22 Nov 2024
Thinner, brighter, more expensive due to fact is new thing but its actually litterary same thing as the one before.
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- 20 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024Isn't this design already used in Oneplus 13 and Oppo ... moreIt’s similar but it’s not the same. The one Oppo, OnePlus and Realme are using are “W”-style periscope telephotos. Which are thinner and more compact than conventional periscope telephotos. But not as compact as Samsung’s L/angle shape design.
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- 19 Nov 2024
Nick Tegrataker, 18 Nov 2024No, it makes sense because this design would still allow th... moreBut it says it is only good for up to 3.4x magnification. Wouldn't a regular telephoto setup without periscope make more sense?
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- 19 Nov 2024
Isn't this design already used in Oneplus 13 and Oppo 8x?? It's exactly what is described in this article.
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024next try FLoP design few lens on prism and few in horizonta... moreProbably the next thing would be thinning of lens through meta material lens (superlens) which allow for incredibly thin lens, which you can stack more on top of each other
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- 19 Nov 2024
One of big advantage of this setup that no one seems to even understand to begin with is hence the sensor is tilted it means its height got smaller in z axis which in turn can results 2 things. either we get smaller z axis bump or we can get bigger sensor to be fitted there.
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024Maybe you should read my comment again. You haven't un... moreEither you are super dumb or since has changed!
Last time I checked "80mm is the field of view" was meaningless as filed of view has been expressed with degree of viewing angle!
"The field of view (FOV) is the angular extent of the observable world that is seen at any given moment."
"In photography, the field of view is that part of the world that is visible through the camera at a particular position and orientation in space; objects outside the FOV when the picture is taken are not recorded in the photograph. It is most often expressed as the angular size of the view cone, as an angle of view."
so 80mm filed of view means nothing!
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024It's send slightly brighter light to the sensor but th... morenext try FLoP design few lens on prism and few in horizontally stacked combination :)
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024ALOP footprint is a lot smaller, but how does it affect zoo... moreIt's send slightly brighter light to the sensor but the zoom is limited to 3.3 times the magnification, beyond that you have to use the traditional periscope setup
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- 19 Nov 2024
why we are not seeing google pixel 3 wedge shape design to hide camera bumps and phone rattling over flat surface. that design also provide more room for battery/camera.speaker housing and better glance at phone while resting on flat surface like calculator.
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- 19 Nov 2024
Stanley Kubrick, 18 Nov 2024I thought this would make the cameras FLAT to the back wher... morePhone manufacturers, since it takes up less space inside leaving more space for other components
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- 19 Nov 2024
nice
but what about the height of the imaging module?
maybe a retractable lens mechanism like in Huawei Pura 70 Ultra might help...
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- 19 Nov 2024
ALOP footprint is a lot smaller, but how does it affect zoom range and image quality?
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2024Maybe you should read my comment again. You haven't un... moreDo you get a wider collection point with a bigger lens, or do you get less? Yes, in convoluted microsensors, "brightness" can also be "artificially" induced, for bokeh. You just don't get more light, just a more finicky focal point. But generally speaking on a basic lens design, a larger lens equals a brighter lens. Because, it naturally forces a wide surface onto a smal focal point, which creates the narrow depth of field, because there will only be a very narrow depth where you'll get focus, and that large piece of glass makes it BRIGHT. So, keep your convoluted complaining to yourself. You are deliberately wrong, just to make a nonsensical complaint.
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- 19 Nov 2024
ALoP vs Tetraprism?
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 18 Nov 2024The best way to get rid of camera bump is increasing batter... moreThat would be too thick. The camera bumps these days are absolutely gigantic compared to the profile of the phone. Filling it all up with battery would make it heavy and thicccccc.
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- 19 Nov 2024
Shamrock Sean, 18 Nov 2024Are you really that stupid?? They aren't saying which ... moreSmh I didn't insult anyone here you are asking me if I'm stupid SMH
Yes the gsmarena team never confirmed anything but they speculated it could be the s25
I am criticising their optimistic speculation based on Samsung not using the best technologies possible and Samsungs track record, even then potentially using older screen technology
Can you tell me how did I explicitly say that they are confirming the s25 will get it? Where did I say or imply such a thing
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 18 Nov 2024What are you on about? They're clearly stating, the le... moreMaybe you should read my comment again. You haven't understood my comment. I didn't write that the design doesn't allow for a larger diameter.
A larger diameter does NOT automatically mean a brighter lens. Brightness and amount of light from an object are two different things. While the f-number determines light per unit area (brightness), the effective diameter determines the actual amount of light per exposure time from an object. So the actual goal is not a better f-number or a brighter lens, but a larger diameter. But Samsung wrote "To make a bright (low f-number) telephoto camera"
"It is extremely accurately described." Simply wrong. When you focus on a distant object with a single thin convex lens, the distance between the center of the lens and the image is called focal length. A camera that produces the same field of view as a full frame camera with an 80mm lens could have any focal length. It tells you nothing about the focal length. It doesn't get correct when many people make the same mistake. 80mm is the field of view, expressed in mm. It is not the focal length.
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- 19 Nov 2024
Only if this lens can focus for close-ups will it make any sense. Traditionally tele lenses on smartphones had poor close-focusing abilities.
If it boils down to having close-focusing or thinner phones, I would take close-focusing every day of the week. But soon maybe we can have even better close-focusing and not "Chinese thickness" of smartphones.
On S23 Ultra the best close-ups was with 2x mode of 200MP main camera. The 3x module (even though tiny sensor) could not get very close at all. But Samsung's 1000 year old 3x module is currently not periscope. If they would put a decent 3x zoom instead of decent 5x zoom. And Autofocusing ultrawide on all "flagship phones" maybe I could buy a Samsung again in the future. Now I'm going with Sony because they know photography and how to actually shoot photographs. Not using photography toys like Samsung and Chinese makers.
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- 19 Nov 2024
Anonymous, 18 Nov 2024Apple's periscope solution already uses the lens array... moreI want to add that the Oppo Find X8 uses the lens array in front of the prism as well.