Samsung ISOCELL's All Lenses on Prism (ALoP) is a new and better periscope design

18 November 2024
It allows for a brighter lens and a thinner camera module.

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Anonymous, 18 Nov 2024Samsung's article is not correct. 1. The focal leng... moreWhat are you on about? They're clearly stating, the lens-elements can be larger with Samsung's design, as it is not constricted by the flat container used in current periscope lenses. That is why their new design has a brighter lens. It is extremely accurately described. Your strange argument would only be valid if that container after the prism, on the old design was made to accommodate "more glass".

The mentioned 80mm is very likely a reference to the "industry standard" of full frame sensors and lenses. It is obviously not an actual 80mm lens. All camera gear makes this full frame comparison, as it is the easiest way to quantify a zoom level. Because 80mm on Canon APSC is not the same as 80mm on a Sony APSC, and far from 80mm on a Micro 4/3 lens.

    IpsDisplay, 18 Nov 2024People in the comments section please read this : below 👇 ... moreAre you really that stupid?? They aren't saying which devices or when will get it they are nearly saying a future design change 🙄

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      Nick Tegrataker, 18 Nov 2024No, it makes sense because this design would still allow th... moreOnePlus uses " U " shaped light path.
      This one here is still L shaped.

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        • 18 Nov 2024

        Anonymous, 18 Nov 2024Samsung never uses their best tech on their devices, we all... moreHP2 is most advanced isocell.
        GN2 and GN1 are just large variants of JN1.

        Anyway, even if you slap medium format sensor inside samsung phones, photos will still have wrong colors, bright foreground, too much NR. Samsung makes on purpose

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          • 18 Nov 2024

          Anonymous, 18 Nov 2024Exactly. This so-called "ALoP" design is being pr... moreOverall length of module is reduced.
          But does not seem to reduce height .

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            • 18 Nov 2024

            Anonymous, 18 Nov 2024Samsung never uses their best tech on their devices, we all... moreThey won't use isocell gn6 either

              waw, 18 Nov 2024All I want is a 200mp 10x periscope lens, so that I could t... moreThe sensor would need to be really small, and then by that point pixel binning in this manner would not be useful.

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                • 18 Nov 2024

                Nick Tegrataker, 18 Nov 2024No, it makes sense because this design would still allow th... moreOr one could squeeze in higher focal length for same size module

                  Anonymous, 18 Nov 2024Exactly. This so-called "ALoP" design is being pr... moreNo, it makes sense because this design would still allow the module to have a longer distance between the entrance and the sensor than a conventional vertically-stacked lens module, while reducing the length compared to a regular periscope lens. See OnePlus 13's periscope lens that uses a similar principle - A similar spec to the one on OnePlus 12 but 33% smaller in volume.

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                    • 18 Nov 2024

                    The best way to get rid of camera bump is increasing battery capacity and thickness of the phone.

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                      • 18 Nov 2024

                      Samsung's article is not correct.

                      1. The focal length is surely not 80mm. That's surely the focal length that would produce the same diagonal field of view on a full frame camera.
                      2. "To make a bright (low f-number) telephoto camera, the effective pupil diameter (EPD) of the lens needs to be large."
                      Simply wrong. The effective diameter is focal length/ f-number, so a low focal length and low f-number wouldn't need a large effective diameter. The effective diameter needs to be large because it (and not the f-number) determines how much light per time is captured from an object (this doesn't depend on the sensor, which only measures the light) and it also determines the theoretical resolution limit of a lens regarding distant objects due to diffraction.

                        People in the comments section please read this : below 👇

                        "Samsung isn't saying when we'll see this new tech in action but a fair guess is on the Galaxy S25 series."

                        please tell me WHICH SAMSUNG THIS ARTICLE IS TALKING ABOUT

                        Who in here actually believes SAMSUNG will use the latest tech available to them in their latest phone

                        NOT ME !!!! I'd rather expect them using an imx258 to reduce cost then charge 300 extra in the s25

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                          • 18 Nov 2024

                          "f/2.58 at 80mm"
                          This specification is meaningless because it tells you nothing about the effective diameter because the focal length is not known. 80mm is surely not the focal length, but the field of view (field of view equivalent focal length on a full frame camera).

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                            • 18 Nov 2024

                            Apple's periscope solution already uses the lens array in front of the prism as far as I know. Though, Apple's effective lens diameter isn't very large.

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                              • 18 Nov 2024

                              Samsung never uses their best tech on their devices, we all know that. The GN2 was never used even if it was the best at that time and is still 2x better than what is used on the vanilla and plus s series. So yeah we hope they do

                                We need more optimization and features for camera app ,and better battery life & display(dc dimming ),of course support for at least 65 watt charger too.. From sam

                                not a beautiful design with a smartphone that fall behind competition.

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                                  • 18 Nov 2024

                                  All I want is a 200mp 10x periscope lens, so that I could take sharp images at 100x without the need for ai

                                    I thought this would make the cameras FLAT to the back whereas according to the provided images all it does is make the carbuNcle island narrower! WHO CARES ABUT THAT????

                                      Either the S28 Ultra uses this with a nice 3x lens, by which point even the Oneplus R phones would have a competent setup I believe, or Samsung will slap a disgustingly small sensor and act like it's all that's needed.

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                                        • 18 Nov 2024

                                        Wonder when we'll get this on A series... Probably 2030...

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