iPhone 18 Pro to get variable aperture camera first, not iPhone 17 Pro

23 December 2024
Apple is taking its time.

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DaFink, 24 Dec 2024And then stopped doing 🤔Yeah I know weird! I liked this on s9+

    ReaLogic, 27 Dec 2024I was replying to your comment about real cameras. And shar... moreI feel like you're missing my point entirely, or my point isn't coming across... :D

    Hm... The various presets, the upper display, info in the viewfinder, as well as buttons, knobs, wheels, rings on the camera and lens are there so you can frame, set everything up and take exactly the shot you want, and another one or few with e.g. a stop or two more closed aperture for good measure so you can decide how much background you want later, or exposed a bit differently, or whatever, in those ~3 s. With a smartphone, you're mostly letting dumb software decide and you're lucky if you get anything remotely resembling your idea in those 3 s. Given how limited and slow they are, you also probably aren't getting much ideas or the ability to do much of artistic or interesting.

    A camera boots up and can take a shot or several in the time a smartphone needs to launch the camera app... God forbid you want to change focal length or whatever on the fiddly touchscreen... The shot is most often long gone.

    The RX100... Yeah, a bit toyish. Even I as someone who just does a few hundred shots a month as a hobby would miss a lot of things on it, starting from the hotshoe (so not much nice photography in a dark environment), quite a small battery and you don't even get a battery charger with it, no OVF so a no for me personally, obviously no way to change lenses...
    Looking through what it offers etc., sure, it's much more capable than a smartphone, but still quite a bit limiting and/or slow in many ways.
    Perhaps the first prerequisite for a "real camera" would be that it doesn't do painful to look at fake "bokeh" or this "computational" nonsense to try and hide how poor it really is:
    https://petapixel.com/2023/02/04/the-limits-of-computational-photography/

    My point is... Amazing photography was never cheaper; just a few hundred € gets you equipment that pros have dreamed of a few years ago and literally no recurring costs for film and its developing like before. Editing is also simple and largely free.

    Honestly just a friendly advice, maybe I'm wrong, but you seem to be a person that has interest in photography, go buy yourself a good old (full-frame) DSLR and a couple of cheap old lenses instead of wasting time looking at some crapshot comparisons of compacts and phones on forums and trying to prove a phone can do whatever and then paying double or three times as much for a new phone with "better" "cameras". Been there, done that, didn't bring much. Chances are, you'll soon start clicking away hundreds of photos and see what I meant in my comments here. Worst case scenario, you don't like it, resell for pretty much the same price or give away as a present to a loved one, and learn a thing or two in the process.

      User935, 26 Dec 2024Now, that is very far-fetched. A phone can produce a better... moreI was replying to your comment about real cameras. And shared links where older flagship cameras doing about as well. So now are you moving the goalpost in suggesting that 1" sensor real cameras are similar to toy cameras?

      I only mentioned about APSC because in certain situations, speed setting (setting the camera in under 3s for all environments) and image stacking on the go, a flagship is better.

      However in the case of real cameras of 1"; The flagships' cameras equal them in many situations, and do much better than those 1/2.3" 3x optical real cameras.

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        ReaLogic, 26 Dec 2024Flagship Phones already perform vastly better than most con... moreNow, that is very far-fetched. A phone can produce a better image than an APS-C DSLR only if the conditions are very easy and one has exactly zero idea what they're doing with the camera.
        But I'm not even talking some 1" compact. 500-600 €/$ gets you e.g. a used D800 in very good condition, a pro full-frame 36 MP camera with which still thousands of weddings, events, artistic and other kinds of photography get shot as we speak), a 50 mm f1.8 or even 1.4 to really see what aperture is and probably also an "old" pro tele zoom, 80-200 f2.8 or an older all-rounder, the actual options are of course endless.
        Alternatively, a more modern (with Wi-Fi etc. if one would rather have the option of directly sharing photos) and much smaller APS-C D5600 with accompanying lens or two.
        50 € more gets you a proper big speedlight etc. etc., as I said, the possibilities are endless, contrary to the miniscule portion of photography than one gets to explore with a smartphone.
        And there is nothing a phone can do better than either of these except be easier to carry, at best, in rare cases in optimal conditions, a somewhat comparable simple snapshot. On the other hand, the phone gets you horrible fake bokeh, oversharpened "AI" garbage, zero ergonomics etc. But to each their own, I guess.

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          Anonymous, 25 Dec 2024Right!? Even on a 1'' sensor a variable aperture ... moreBecause they don't know better and believe the marketing and the hype too much. 🤷‍♂ And/or don't want to be bothered with learning to use a camera or carry one.
          On the other hand, it is then remarkable that these same people spend energy and effort on discussing which phone has a better camera when they're all, as you also say, mediocre, at best.

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            • 26 Dec 2024

            Whatevs, 25 Dec 2024My first gen SE runs smoothly still.. What about your NEW S... moreTry running the latest mobile games on your ancient SE and see how smooth it is.

              User935, 25 Dec 2024Who cares about aperture with the toy sensor(s) and toy len... moreFlagship Phones already perform vastly better than most consumer cameras. In low light, flagship phones can even beat APSC DSLR in certain areas, without further user input. Unless, you're going to post process DSLR images.

                Anonymous, 25 Dec 2024Right!? Even on a 1'' sensor a variable aperture ... moreThat's not true. A photo camera is not miles better. Even a semi pro photo camera is a lot worse in low light and dynamic range. They don't stack photos as well as phones without time consuming manual editing.
                https://christinagreve.com/travel-photography-sony-rx100-mark-7-vs-iphone/
                And
                https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64486229

                Variable apertures can be useful for increasing field depth. Not every one wants a bokeh. May not make much of a difference on 1/3 inch sensor, but definitely makes a difference on 1 inch sensors. Even rx100 uses 1 inch sensors and the large aperture difference produces vastly different photos.
                I agree it makes not much of difference if the aperture difference is small f1.8 vs 2.2

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                  • 25 Dec 2024

                  Apple and gsmarena is making us happy and healthy for years by giving us very importance rumors. After all the years of free remors Apple should start charging us for their precious rumors. I will definitely not pay for it.

                  But I can guarantee that millons of apple users around the world will happily pay for apple fold-rumors. After all zombies only walk to their food, they have no brain.

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                    User935, 25 Dec 2024Who cares about aperture with the toy sensor(s) and toy len... moreRight!? Even on a 1'' sensor a variable aperture will have very little, if any, effect on the end image. I seriously don't understand why some people waste so much money on a "good" phone camera when it will always look mediocre compared to an actual camera with actual lenses. If someone cares THAT much about photography they should just buy a cheaper/older photo camera. Even 2016 cameras still resolve miles better than the peak smartphone camera today. If you're too inconvenienced to carry a photography camera around then maybe you actually don't care about photography that much and should save your money.

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                      • 25 Dec 2024

                      Who cares about aperture with the toy sensor(s) and toy lens(es) on a phone? With equally poor to non-existant ergonomics of a small flat slab etc.?
                      It's not like it will bring a phone significantly closer to being a real camera. I guess it can be marketed well, but buying a new phone because of something like this is just a waste of money.

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                        Whatevs, 25 Dec 2024My first gen SE runs smoothly still.. What about your NEW S... moreLol they have different price

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                          rizki1, 24 Dec 2024Slow upgrade as always, when will they get 1 inch sensor? 2... moreWhy do you need an 1 inch sensor on a phone you wouldnt consider buying anyway? Can you explain that to me please? Thank you.

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                            • 25 Dec 2024

                            Will we ever get a wide angle camera lens for selfies? I can’t fit more than 3 people into a selfie......and it always looks horrible because of no wide angle lens

                              Anonymous, 25 Dec 2024i heard the iphone 26 pro max will remove the phone from the boxIphone 26 Pro Max will be sold wrapped in banana leaves to go with the go green mentality

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                                • 25 Dec 2024

                                i heard the iphone 26 pro max will remove the phone from the box

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                                  • 25 Dec 2024

                                  ok. so apple skip iphone 17 and go straight to iphone 18 or what? why rumor about 18 lol

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                                    Anonymous, 24 Dec 2024One ui 7 is a major update for Samsung phones. Wait for it ... moreMy first gen SE runs smoothly still.. What about your NEW Samsung A series devices? LOL

                                      stema, 24 Dec 2024There could be 3 reasons to close down an aparture: 1: too... moreAll three points are excellent, and very valid.

                                      With bigger sensors focus blur is becoming an issue. And in bright daylight smartphone video looks unpleasant because the shutter speed is too high.

                                      If those two were addressed, it would be a big step forward.

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                                        Michalis, 24 Dec 2024That one doesn't count, only 60% of the sensor is used.Sharp aquos r6?

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