This is the vivo X200 Ultra

08 January 2025
The first renders have surfaced thanks to a certification in China.

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Eno2, 3 hours agoSensor size has nothing to do with focal lengths! One is a ... moreIndeed it doesn't, but actually it does. Because of crop factor.
Focal lengths as advertised on phones aren't real focal lengths because they would mean nothing in "photography terms", but are expressed as "35 mm equivalents".
E.g. on my Sony Xperia 1 III the 16, 24, 70 and 105 mm "lenses" actually have focal lengths of (according to EXIF) 2.7, 5.1, 10.2 and 14.5 mm.

    Anonymous, 9 hours agoPlease don't make phones look like camerasNOPE!!!!!
    ABSOLUTELY make phones thick and look like cameras!!!!!!
    What do you mean???!!!

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      Anonymous, 9 hours agoPlease don't make phones look like camerasYou're not compelled to buy a phone that's like a camera, there are literally hundreds of alternatives for you to choose from!

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        KaZuo, 3 hours agoI've laid out the facts and provided data. The X200 U... moreI'm looking forward to alien technologies to do that comparison ... Hope you're right - but I just have a feeling the x100u will still provide more details on main camera photography, bc of the bigger sensor

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          Eno2, 3 hours agoThe level of nonsense you are typing is embarrassing! If y... moreI've laid out the facts and provided data.
          The X200 Ultra will be superior at most focal lengths.
          This is a win/win it will cost Vivo less allowing them to keep costs down while providing a better more versatile camera.
          I can easily see their rationale going this route.
          But no, Vivo with its huge amount of funds and expertise paired with Zeiss is wrong and you are right haha give me a break.
          Only uniformed spec nerds who equate bigger number = better see this as a downgrade.
          Wait for the release and photo comparisons between the two and eat your words!

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            Kazuo, 3 hours agoIt does when you don't have optical zoom! It crops in... moreThe level of nonsense you are typing is embarrassing!
            If you can't comprehend what I've clearly written, you deserve to buy an inferior product at a higher price!

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              Eno2, 3 hours agoSensor size has nothing to do with focal lengths! One is a ... moreIt does when you don't have optical zoom!
              It crops into the sensor when you use digital zoom which is what all phone cameras do except some Sony models.

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                SOniQ, 3 hours agoYes you are correct! But you are not accounting for focal ... moreSensor size has nothing to do with focal lengths! One is a measurement of the sensor, the other one of the lens.

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                  Eno2, 6 hours agoYou simply don't know what you are talking about! P... moreYes you are correct!
                  But you are not accounting for focal length.
                  1" sensor @23mm cropped to 35mm = 50.27mm²
                  1/1.28" sensor @ 35mm Native = 80.77mm²
                  61% larger.
                  This is the same for 50mm too. These are far better focal lengths for photography.

                  The ultrawide will also be 1/1.28" much larger than the tiny 1/2" or smaller sensors you normally find, granted it will not be as wide at 18mm but I'm happy with that compromise.

                  So really you get superior image quality at 18-22mm and again from 35mm+.

                  And that before we talk about the fact it's a more advanced sensor, 35mm being better for portraits and the advantages this solution will have for video.

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                    Vanilla, 5 hours agoSo by that logic, why even bother using a smartphone for ph... moreNot really... Some of us use phone cameras as a primary device to take pics. I do have some professional dedicated cameras but carrying the big lenses and the heavy camera body around is not ideal. The whole camera bag can weigh a good amount of kgs... So if I can get a device that does all the communication, had a good battery life , and good camera - then I'm happy. But I'd rather get the device that excels in all those qualities. And there's a few that definitely stand out from the rest when it comes to that

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                      Eno2, 6 hours agoYou simply don't know what you are talking about! P... moreSo by that logic, why even bother using a smartphone for photography?

                      Go and buy a full frame camera and be done with it. The consumer then has the very cutting edge in photography.

                      For casual shots, which is what cameraphones are intended for, does it honestly matter how good the image quality is?

                      ANY flagship camera phone of the last 3 years all perform basically identical in casual scenarios, not least where the images are then shared to social media/chat apps, etc - meaning the image is cropped and downsampled.

                      I get the feeling those crying about image sensor size are just a bit peculiar. It's all about who has the "best specs" in the playground arguments. Puerile and no one cares. It makes almost NO difference to the end result based on HOW people actually use their photos (on social media, primarily).

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                        Anonymous, 18 hours agoI beg to disagree. The 22nm process versus 30nm is an upgra... moreYou simply don't know what you are talking about!

                        Pixel size is the defining factor the light gathering capability of the image sensor, and not the fabrication process . Both sensors are under LYTIA brand name and share similar technology. An 1" sensor is approximately 70% larger an 1/1,3" one! If the processing capability are equal, a 70% larger sensor will proportionally offer better results!

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                          Boring. In comparision to X100 Ultra even ultra boring.

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                            Vanilla, 10 hours agoWhat amuses me is everyone crying about not using a 1"... moreGood observations... But if you wanna squeeze the best details and image quality out of a phone and not a dedicated camera ... Sensor size still matters ... Look at x100 U vs all the rest camera comparisons and that's where sensor size importance becomes apparent

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                              • 9 hours ago

                              Please don't make phones look like cameras

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                                What amuses me is everyone crying about not using a 1" sensor. Firstly, larger sensor size means larger optics. That doesn't work on a mobile phone, so instead manufacturers are finding a better balance between sensor size for quality, and increased zoom (with limited physical space for the optics) to increase shooting options in all scenarios. A good thing.

                                Second, the difference in image quality between 1" and 1.3" sensor is so negligible, it borders on pointless even discussing it. With stacked sensors AND AI processing, larger sensors are no longer required. This reduces costs for the consumer and provides much longer zoom range - both good things.

                                Thirdly, most people do not print or sell their mobile photography, so super high-res photos are just not required. 99% of people shooting on a smartphone camera upload to social media, which crops and downsizes to the point a phone camera of 5 years ago would have similar image quality side-by-side; otherwise they are viewing images only on their small-screen device, which also makes high MP, high-res images utterly pointless.

                                And finally, if image quality is so important to someone, go and buy a dedicated full frame camera. No smartphone will ever compare, and you get exactly what you want: the very best image quality.

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                                  Anonymous, 14 hours agoSo no X300 series for 2025 right?No because the X200 Series is for 2025. And besides, when the X300 is announced end of this year, are you then going to wait another year for the X400, and then repeat that ad infinitum? 🤡

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                                    Tmswm, 14 hours agoSo what's News here❓So true I guess that it was found in the database

                                      Anonymous, 08 Jan 2025nasa cameras and dslr cameras work too different from phone... moreWith "AI processing" you mean things like this?
                                      https://petapixel.com/2023/02/04/the-limits-of-computational-photography/

                                      Yeah, DSLRs and other proper cameras don't need to do that as they don't need to fake a picture for it to look good. And given that "AI processing" gets you results from "acceptable from afar" to "complete garbage" I doubt any photographer would prefer that to the normal high quality in every situation with every subject output of a large sensor and proper lens.

                                      Anyway, yeah, sensor (or film) size plays a huge role both in the quality and in the aesthetic (e.g. you get much "less bokeh" on a smaller sensor) of photographs you (can) take with a camera.

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                                        Jacktackle, 21 hours agoSo it's final. X100 ultra is the last flagship with be... moreCurved screens are the worst. I get why some people love them but they are impractical. Function over form all the way

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