This is the vivo X200 Ultra

08 January 2025
The first renders have surfaced thanks to a certification in China.

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I had the X90 pro and it was amazing. Had to send it back because Tradingshenzhen bricked it and it wasn't possible to get updates. Looks like I'll be skipping to the X200 Ultra to replace my failing Xperia 1V. My birthday is in April anyway. Would be able to get a new company phone in September but I don't feel like waiting that long.

    Flavius8377, 23 Jan 2025God a ultrawide camera with the same sensor size as the mai... moreCurrently the best Ultrawide would be from ZTE Nubia Z60 Ultra. It's 50MP, OIS, AF. It also has larger sensor, and larger aperture than the X200 Pro's Ultrawide and it can also record 4k120fps which is the same capability with its main camera.

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      • 04 Feb 2025

      AppleRuinsEverything, 30 Jan 2025It is such a shame these high calibre phones are never goin... moreYou are so true... X200 pro mini and ultra are game changing phones but why the hell vivo ceo can't understand its a shape not to distribute it all over the world.. Apple and Samsung are increasing prices as they want as they are not a real competitor

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        • 02 Feb 2025

        Vanilla, 09 Jan 2025What amuses me is everyone crying about not using a 1"... more"no camera will ever comapre" except 100 ultra raw is already apsc / full frame quality, also many phones with a proper gcam, like my dirt cheap 2020 xiaomi

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          • AppleRuinsEverything
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          • 30 Jan 2025

          It is such a shame these high calibre phones are never going to be available outside of China.

          I am sick of seeing Apple and Samsung make paltry upgrades to their flagship phones each year, instead of being competitive and innovative.

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            • Anonymous
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            • 24 Jan 2025

            samsa s25u destroyer

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              • Flavius8377
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              • 23 Jan 2025

              God a ultrawide camera with the same sensor size as the main camera will be a godsend. I think this will be one of the largest ultrawide camera in phone history!

                DeepIn2U, 13 Jan 2025Bravo!! Well stated especially the A.i.2nd paragraph! ... moreThanks for your comment!

                May I ask what's stopping you? As I wrote in the comments here:
                https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-65847.php

                you can get an amazing second-hand camera and a couple of lenses for less then half or third of the cost of a new high-end smartphone. You can go even cheaper if you just want to see if it would be an interesting hobby for you.

                  User935, 11 Jan 2025Many do a lot of post-processing, many none at all, many so... moreBravo!!

                  Well stated especially the A.i.2nd paragraph!

                  Unfortunately for non photographers and those of us using smartphones exclusively to take pictures, this sentiment "honest-to-god real feathers as I and my camera's sensor saw them through the lens and eyepiece at that moment in time and space" will be lost on us despite our full agreement.

                  Reason what we see is the viewfinder is the screen which ALL images can be manipulated on display by A.i. !!

                  The UI and core OS will be a VERY KEY factore more than anything else for future smartphone purchases much less dedign how it looks and hardware specs.

                  Cause if what is seen becomes all lies n too fake MANY will shun it despite dedign specs and brands. We're already beginning to see those in the comments of various products over 2024 thus far.

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                    • 13 Jan 2025

                    Anonymous, 12 Jan 2025This time x200 pro was a let down for x100 pro users. I was... moreAny sensor size of 1.3 or 1.6 is still doing excellent and no other flagship has better, making the x100 more of a special device. I would get one if I could afford another upgrade, even without 5g cell ability in NA.

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                      • Anonymous
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                      • 12 Jan 2025

                      This time x200 pro was a let down for x100 pro users. I was waiting for x200 ultra to release globally but alas. Their lose. Many people are skipping x200 series this series because of removal of 1 inch sensor.

                        Gsmarena:

                        This is a fake picture of X200 Ultra.

                        Review your sources. This is the X200 Pro satellite communication version.

                          Nick Tegrataker, 11 Jan 2025A common misconception among the public audience is that ph... moreMany do a lot of post-processing, many none at all, many something in between. But I believe very few let an "AI" piece of software do all the deciding on how the photo should be processed and how much of the photo should be faked to the point of destroying any and all detail, as one does with a modern phone.

                          I know I'll be letting all my birdies keep their honest-to-god real feathers as I and my camera's sensor saw them through the lens and eyepiece at that moment in time and space, even if with a bit of noise or blur, rather than letting a piece of software replace them with made-up similarly looking pixels generated from stealing thousands of photos from other people. A bit of purely mathematical sharpening and such I can live with, but where I see "(generative) AI", I turn away, among other things, because it can turn parts of the subject into something completely different, like in the link I've posted earlier.
                          I've seen similarly bad results in forums with bird photos, where feather details simply get changed into (sharp and at first sight nice looking) completely different feathers. Next step is simply sitting behind a computer or with a smartphone in hand and asking one of these "AI generators" to create a bird photo with a background for me, I can then just sell my camera and not even go out to capture them.

                          The point of '"less bokeh" with a smaller sensor' wasn't getting into the physics and mathematics of the topic, but more what is generally commonplace or simply achievable, hence the quotes. For a simple representation (not for you as you obviously know all that):
                          https://dofsimulator.net/en/
                          I believe you will agree that the aesthetic of a simple portrait with a nice blurry background to separate the subject done with a simple 50 mm f/1.8 lens on a full frame, which was as common and cheap half a century and more ago as is today, is somewhere between difficult and impossible to recreate with a tiny phone camera sensor and lens. Equally so, the amount of light you get and therefore actually captured details. And it will remain so for very long, despite all the advances and "advances" in so-called computational or "AI" photography.

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                            • 11 Jan 2025

                            Nick Tegrataker, 11 Jan 2025A common misconception among the public audience is that ph... moreThe "amount" of bokeh is largely determined by the diameter of the aperture opening, not the sensor size

                            Are you sure? I would have thought both have an equal impact on the depth of field

                              User935, 09 Jan 2025With "AI processing" you mean things like this? ... moreA common misconception among the public audience is that photographers don't try to process their photos as much as smartphone cameras do automatically in post. This is utterly untrue - Many of them edit their photos to a dizzying degree, but they are simply better at hiding what they are doing.

                              AI noise reduction is favoured among gig photographers because it's usually far more effective than conventional noise reduction algorithms and often turns otherwise unusably noisy photos into perfectly publishable ones. Local editing has been used extensively in portraits, weddings and even landscapes, and machine learning-based automatic segmentation saves them a lot of time while applying these masks. Generative unblur filters and super-resolution upscalers are also helpful for wildlife (particularly bird) photographers as well.

                              "you get much "less bokeh" on a smaller sensor"
                              The "amount" of bokeh is largely determined by the diameter of the aperture opening, not the sensor size. For instance, a 17.5mm F1.4 lens mounted on an MFT body would be comparable to a 35mm F2.8 lens on an FF body, in terms of the quantity of bokeh, light intake, and depth of field, simply because they both have the same diameter (The overall *quality* of the bokeh would be affected by the optical construction of the lens, but that's for another topic)

                                Eno2, 09 Jan 2025Sensor size has nothing to do with focal lengths! One is a ... moreAssuming that X200 Ultra will come with an F1.6 lens with a 35mm FF equivalent field of view - X100 Ultra's main camera has an entrance pupil of 4.835mm whereas the one on X200 Ultra would be 6.31mm, so it would be able to take in a substantially larger amount of light per field of view despite the smaller sensor size.

                                  Going to be a great camera oriented flagship Smartphone...

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                                    • 10 Jan 2025

                                    Anonymous, 10 Jan 2025when i used x100 ultra, i always set default to 35mm. 50% o... moreBut not with the smaller sensor size.

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                                      • Anonymous
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                                      • 10 Jan 2025

                                      Vanilla, 09 Jan 2025What amuses me is everyone crying about not using a 1"... morewhen i used x100 ultra, i always set default to 35mm. 50% of my photo are shoot at 35mm, 30% are 85mm, and 20% are mix zoom. so i think vivo make the right decision to use default focal to 35mm. that is the most natural field of view to human eyes. and 85mm is the best for portrait. 1/1.28" native at 35mm is perfect

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                                        • 10 Jan 2025

                                        This phone is so beautiful and iKON

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