Sony allegedly working on a big 200 MP sensor for main cameras
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Gaben, 21 Mar 2025:) :) :) There is no word "sensor," there is the ... moreOk, this explains it, I stand corrected. What I was referring to was an older definition, as clarified by the 2nd paragraph of your own britannica link.
Suddenly, they included electronics in optics, well.
This is something you better put in your first argument, not the fifth. But anyhow, I'm more in the wrong here so I'll leave this at it. Peace.
But you gotta appreciate me, I referred to you as "Sir" even in a heated debate. :)
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- 22 Mar 2025
lorenzoo92, 21 Mar 2025you are joking right? He crushed you like 5 times and you s... moreI repeat, converting input light into electronic signals makes it partly optical and partly electronic in nature, and doesn't qualify as a complete optical system.
Now you'll say processor and RAM are also part of optical system. Go ahead, do it.
EDIT: I just read it closely, and it seems what I'm referring to is the older definition. I stand corrected.
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Nicktech, 20 Mar 2025It definitely measures 1/1.12", 12MP @2.8πm, 50MP @1.4... moreSony's 2-layer transistor technology would definitely benefit tiny pixels a lot... If it doesn't make the whole thing stupid expensive
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It makes more sense than ever to use this camera tech and promote it via reviving the Xperia Pro lineup. To showcase what the sensor can do, use the pro lineup as a playground - especially with rumours apple is switching to Samsung for their phones. And in this case, spread out the functionalities via apps, ie enforce the Cinema Pro and Photo Pro apps, as this would be to showcase the maximum performance of their tech. So do the opposite of what they are doing for the Xperia 1,5 & 10 lineup, which they are making more consumer friendly. It puts a working prototype in the hands of people and allows them to polish their tech as well. They could price it to $2K, around top tier foldable pricing - as there are people paying that much for novelty factor with worse than flagship cameras, there is a market of people that pay for cutting edge new tech.
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Sam N8 808 owner, 21 Mar 2025Your Britannica link has the word "lens", but it ... more:) :) :) There is no word "sensor," there is the phrase "It also includes optical data processing, which involves the manipulation of the information content of an image." Setting aside the question of where the idea came from that the word "sensor" should even appear, and any remarks about its digital nature—the important factors are the size and shape of the surface upon which light falls. You claimed that this is not part of the optical system. Have you lost track of the point?
From your post, it generally seems that you disagree with the definition of "optics" that I provided and consider a one-sentence entry from Webster to be better. I’ll leave that without further comment.
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Sam N8 808 owner, 21 Mar 2025Your Britannica link has the word "lens", but it ... moreyou are joking right? He crushed you like 5 times and you still insist on your ridiculous claims. Every sane person knows that the surface where the light lands is a part of optical system. It doesn't matter if it's digital in nature or not. Haven't someone explained to you how a camera is built inside? Chill out man, you don't have to be right every time in life. Show a little character
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Nicktech, 20 Mar 2025It definitely measures 1/1.12", 12MP @2.8πm, 50MP @1.4... moreOv50x should gain traction over this, at least for ultras.
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Gaben, 20 Mar 2025No. You pasted a link to the general definition from Webste... moreYour Britannica link has the word "lens", but it doesn't have the word "sensor". Go use the find option and confirm for your self.
And I read it. The entire article talks about light and glass instruments like microscope and all, which don't have sensors. The focus is on light, my friend, not on analogue light to digital signal converter.
Considering that half the sensor is electronic in its nature, its not purely optic, it may be referred to as part of "DIGITAL imaging system.
And you're not being polite, using terms like "your grasp on reality just froze". Whatever do you mean?
You can do better by following those who're experienced photographers themselves, instead of propagating lies. By optical system, it means the system of optics, the glass, the travel of light, not exactly the optical to digital converter which we refer to as CMOS or CCD sensor, which is partially electronic.
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Gaben, 20 Mar 2025No. You pasted a link to the general definition from Webste... moreThe articles you provided don't mention sensors. If you want to prove your point, you have to be more specific.
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Anonymous, 21 Mar 2025the only real reason for such high MP counts is for sensor ... moreunfortunately, megapixels cannot replace the perspective achieved with different focal lengths. For example, if you take a portrait photo using a wide-angle lens with the subject standing too close to the camera, cropping that photo won't eliminate perspective distortions. To avoid these issues, the subject will need to stand at an appropriate distance, but then, cropping—even from a very high-resolution sensor—will likely lack the details we are accustomed to seeing in portraits taken with a high-quality camera. Secondly, the depth of field in such a photo will be very large, and the bokeh will be weak. In short: in portrait photography, cropping is a poor substitute for physical focal length
Similar issues will arise in people photography when using crops to replace focal lengths of 35mm-50mm as well as in any other type of photography where you aim to avoid perspective distortion and simultaneously achieve a shallow depth of field.
However, extending the focal length using a crop in the case of telephoto lenses makes more sense, provided you treat such a crop like binoculars (you simply aim to isolate a distant detail). Naturally, you won't be able to achieve the more pronounced bokeh effect that longer physical focal lengths than your phone's allow, so again... You know what I mean
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Nicktech, 20 Mar 2025Okay how many of us are using 200MP, we will definitely for... moreFor lossless zoom. But 200Mp need bigger sensors or actual photosites are too small, so I'm eager to see this new sensor accompanying current 1-inchers
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- 21 Mar 2025
the only real reason for such high MP counts is for sensor crop.
200MP doesn't matter normally, it's standard to bin pixels to 12.5MP anyway.
but this lets you do 4x zoom in-sensor.
So maybe the ideal camera setup for a phone could just use 2 sensors.
Ultrawide, 200MP, 18mm equivalent
1.3x = 24mm, roughly "standard" wide for most phones
2x = 36mm, close to "natural" 35mm focal length
4x = 72mm, close to ideal portrait length
2nd sensor: 200MP periscope telephoto, 100mm equivalent (like on Xiaomi 15 ultra)
now you have 100mm, 200mm, 300mm, and 400mm equivalent using sensor crop.
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Gonvu, 19 Mar 2025Sensor with 200mp gathers the same light as 12mp because th... moreOkay how many of us are using 200MP, we will definitely forget such feature after some days after getting large file sizes
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It definitely measures 1/1.12", 12MP @2.8πm, 50MP @1.4πm, 200MP @0.7πm. this is the only size that's better than 1/1.3". Once samsung made 1/1.12" ISOCELL GN2 it is holy smokes back then in xiaomi 11 ultra, but that was forgotten after 2022. If sony make this it'll definitely powered by all OEMs
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Sam N8 808 owner, 20 Mar 2025Er... you have been given proof by me.
And your own mentio... moreNo. You pasted a link to the general definition from Webster's dictionary. When I pointed out to you that there is an entire branch of optics dedicated to imaging, which this one-sentence definition doesn’t cover (well, what a surprise), your grasp on reality suddenly froze. Well, if you have some problem using search engines (not to mention ignoring basic common-sense arguments), I’ve done the work for you. I hope Britannica is a sufficiently reputable source!
https://www.britannica.com/science/optics
https://www.britannica.com/technology/lens-optics
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Gaben, 20 Mar 2025Nah, this is not about British vs. American English. You�... moreEr... you have been given proof by me.
And your own mentioned google search reveals only spectacles and a couple of photoshopped images of mazes.
And I stand by all that I said, if you have a proof that says otherwise, please bring it on.
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Sam N8 808 owner, 20 Mar 2025No sir, with all due respect, you're mistaken somewher... moreNah, this is not about British vs. American English. You're just being stubborn and trying to prove that optics doesn't deal with imaging (!). That's like insisting that the retina is not part of the eye. Well, optics does deal with imaging. Google 'optical image.' It's a concept from optics. Google 'image forming optical systems.' It's one of the fields within optics. Switch to images and suddenly everything will become clear. Even here, in the comments section, you're arguing that the sensor size matters for imaging (bokeh specifically), and now you're claiming that it's not part of the optical system (!!), even though a specific sensor size dictates specific angles of light incidence in that system (!!!). Just think about it calmly.
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Hey, I am baking a new bigger and better sensor. "Not for me."😎
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Gaben, 19 Mar 2025You are also somewhat confused. The sensor, which is the su... moreNo sir, with all due respect, you're mistaken somewhere. The word "Optics" is related to light and its travels through glass and in cameras, always refers to the lens. Merriam Webster defines this with a term "such as lenses, mirrors, or light guides", but a sensor isn't mentioned:- https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/optic
Other definitions connect it to human vision, but studying optics is physics, not biology, hence it is not connected to eyes or sensors, rather to the glass in front of the eyes, the spectacles to be specific.
I've been a hobbyist photographer since years now, and we've always referred to lenses as optics.
But may be this is because you're following American English, and I'm an Indian who follows Indian English which originated from British English. Could this be it?
Rest what you said about bokeh is correct, in addition to what I said which is also correct.