Sony allegedly working on a big 200 MP sensor for main cameras

19 March 2025
It will arrive in flagship devices launching later this year.

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Sam N8 808 owner, 3 hours agoEr... you have been given proof by me. And your own mentio... moreNo. You pasted a link to the general definition from Webster's dictionary. When I pointed out to you that there is an entire branch of optics dedicated to imaging, which this one-sentence definition doesn’t cover (well, what a surprise), your grasp on reality suddenly froze. Well, if you have some problem using search engines (not to mention ignoring basic common-sense arguments), I’ve done the work for you. I hope Britannica is a sufficiently reputable source!

https://www.britannica.com/science/optics
https://www.britannica.com/technology/lens-optics

    Gaben, 4 hours agoNah, this is not about British vs. American English. You�... moreEr... you have been given proof by me.
    And your own mentioned google search reveals only spectacles and a couple of photoshopped images of mazes.

    And I stand by all that I said, if you have a proof that says otherwise, please bring it on.

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      Sam N8 808 owner, 10 hours agoNo sir, with all due respect, you're mistaken somewher... moreNah, this is not about British vs. American English. You're just being stubborn and trying to prove that optics doesn't deal with imaging (!). That's like insisting that the retina is not part of the eye. Well, optics does deal with imaging. Google 'optical image.' It's a concept from optics. Google 'image forming optical systems.' It's one of the fields within optics. Switch to images and suddenly everything will become clear. Even here, in the comments section, you're arguing that the sensor size matters for imaging (bokeh specifically), and now you're claiming that it's not part of the optical system (!!), even though a specific sensor size dictates specific angles of light incidence in that system (!!!). Just think about it calmly.

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        Hey, I am baking a new bigger and better sensor. "Not for me."😎

          I'm more interested in ov50x

            Gaben, 17 hours agoYou are also somewhat confused. The sensor, which is the su... moreNo sir, with all due respect, you're mistaken somewhere. The word "Optics" is related to light and its travels through glass and in cameras, always refers to the lens. Merriam Webster defines this with a term "such as lenses, mirrors, or light guides", but a sensor isn't mentioned:- https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/optic

            Other definitions connect it to human vision, but studying optics is physics, not biology, hence it is not connected to eyes or sensors, rather to the glass in front of the eyes, the spectacles to be specific.

            I've been a hobbyist photographer since years now, and we've always referred to lenses as optics.

            But may be this is because you're following American English, and I'm an Indian who follows Indian English which originated from British English. Could this be it?
            Rest what you said about bokeh is correct, in addition to what I said which is also correct.

              Anonymous, 19 Mar 2025Best you can get from 1inch is 36mp , 1/1.3" is 24mp, ... moreI agree entirely. These numbers are absurd. They have the same or more megapixels than MEDIUM FORMAT cameras.

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                Sam N8 808 owner, 19 hours agoA small correction: Bokeh depends on both the sensor and th... moreYou are also somewhat confused. The sensor, which is the surface on which light falls, is part of every optical system. Look for a diagram of any optical system in a camera, and you will see this. The parameters of the sensor that matter in the optical system are its size and shape, not its resolution - that was the whole point.

                Secondly, we were rather discussing the fixed properties of the optical system in the camera. If we do not limit ourselves to these, the distance of the object from the camera (linked to the fixed parameter of the minimum focusing distance) will be equally important—the smaller it is, the better the bokeh—and the distance of the object from the background—the farther the background is from the depth of field, the more impressive the bokeh it will create

                  Gaben, 21 hours agoSorry, but you really have a vague idea of how photography ... moreA small correction: Bokeh depends on both the sensor and the optical system, the optical system is the dominating factor though.

                  The amount of bokeh is determined by the aperture setting itself. F2.8 will give more bokeh than f5.6 for example.
                  The bokeh's shape is determined by shape of the aperture rings. (A 7 blade aperture will show septagons instead of circular lights in out of focus areas).
                  Finally, the focal length (commonly called optical zoom), the higher it is, the more bokeh you'll get in out of focus areas. 18mm has less bokeh, 135mm has more.

                  Sensor size also determines bokeh, (but on a single pixel level, not on the entire frame's level, thus it's complicated to understand & explain, but I tried in a previous comment).

                    Gonvu, 22 hours agoSensor with 200mp gathers the same light as 12mp because th... moreYou are incredibly dumb.

                    Pixel density relative to total sensor area is how much light an individual pixel can take.

                    10cm² box with 100 boxes is 1cm² each, if you increase the box count within the same area to 200, it is now 0.5cm²/5mm²

                    You can shine light at the same total surface are but since the actual pixel itself is smaller and you now accommodate way more pixels in the same area, you have (in layman terms) more area wasted for borders.

                    You can actually do a practical representation of this with a paper, pen and a scale/ruler at home. Draw 2 perfect squares identical in area and then try draw a grid inside those squares, one with 10 rows and 10 columns and the other with 20 rows and columns.

                    Now compare both squares to each other and see which one has more area unshaded/blank/white which represents light throughput.

                    You don't even need to be particularly good at math and physics for this, it should be just common thinking ability.

                    Quit making misleading comments spreading gross misinformation.

                      Gonvu, 22 hours agoSensor with 200mp gathers the same light as 12mp because th... moreWho sits in a lightroom with mobile phone pics? The ordinary customer can't get decent results.
                      The best colors I ever got in a cellphone camera was from Nokia N8, such pleasing, soft colors, and I never saw them again. I owned it so I know, but you can check its sample pics online, check the one with butterfly, another one showing a girl.
                      It had a pixel pitch of 1.75 micrometer.

                      And hey, why don't you share your findings with DSLR makers like Sony, Canon, Nikon as their premium range products are still on huge pixel size concept?
                      Can you believe the Canon R1 (for $6000) has only 24 megapixels? Its a full frame sensor, why don't they do binning with 600 megapixels instead?
                      Now you get me.

                        Anonymous, 23 hours agoBokeh is related to sensor size not pixel size A 1 inch se... moreTrue, but this is only when you compare both of these sensor setups with a 1:1 pixel crop. Who does that in real life?

                        In other words, for the same bokeh, the 8MP camera must be close. On the other hand, the 200MP camera must be far away, and then crop its output to the same framing, as the 8MP cam did.
                        Logical? I don't think so.

                        The most likely thing is you'll take a 200MP pic and you'll never drop to pixel peeping level, you'll just post it online, thus it gets resized and loses most of the bokeh inside.

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                          Anonymous, 22 hours agoSure, you won't substantially improve out-of-focus det... moreSorry, but you really have a vague idea of how photography works. Bokeh depends solely on the characteristics of the optical system. Not the resolution of the sensor. A higher-resolution sensor will deliver more details that you can see upon closer inspection, but the sharpness of the photo also primarily depends on the quality of the optical system.

                          Using extreme examples proves nothing. Yes, you need a sensor with some reasonable resolution to see anything on the photo besides large squares

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                            Gonvu, 22 hours agoSensor with 200mp gathers the same light as 12mp because th... moreThis will only work if you have a bigger sensor and a lower aperture.

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                              Sam N8 808 owner, 19 Mar 2025I'm not excited, it's like taking the "Sony&... moreSensor with 200mp gathers the same light as 12mp because the aperture and shutter do not change. Yes, 200mp is noisy but if we tweak it in the settings it is more detailed than the 12mp. Why 200mp are more noisy? It's because it is gathering every light in a pixel but the light that is gathered is still the same. Higher megapixels aren't gimmicks, you just don't know how to use them. There are so many misconceptions about higher megapixel. Tweak both 12mp and 200mp in the lightroom and you will see the detailed difference between the 200mp and 12mp are far superior.

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                                Anonymous, 23 hours agoBokeh is related to sensor size not pixel size A 1 inch se... moreSure, you won't substantially improve out-of-focus detail with a higher pixel count, but bokeh only happens because the foreground is so sharp in comparison.

                                A 1 inch sensor would be practically useless at 75 kilopixels.

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                                  Anonymous, 19 Mar 2025Ok 200MP 1inch type or 50MP 1 inch type Which... more1 in. that catches a lot of photons, costs less, transfers data efficiently (resulting in less heat and faster burst rates)

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                                  1 in. that catches slightly less photons, costs more, slightly sharper detail, higher defect rate, a massive pain to program, etc.

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                                    Sam N8 808 owner, 19 Mar 2025I'm not excited, it's like taking the "Sony&... moreBokeh is related to sensor size not pixel size
                                    A 1 inch sensor will have same bokeh with 8 megapixel or 400 megapixel

                                      Wonder where is Samsung 400Mpix and 600 Mpix cameras which we got some info about them 2 years ago,

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                                        Sam N8 808 owner, 19 Mar 2025I'm not excited, it's like taking the "Sony&... morePixel size neither affects bokeh nor directly translates to color quality, which mainly depends on the sensor technology and the tonal range of colors

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