Sony allegedly working on a big 200 MP sensor for main cameras

19 March 2025
It will arrive in flagship devices launching later this year.

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Anonymous, 19 Mar 2025Best you can get from 1inch is 36mp , 1/1.3" is 24mp, ... moreI agree entirely. These numbers are absurd. They have the same or more megapixels than MEDIUM FORMAT cameras.

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    Sam N8 808 owner, 19 Mar 2025A small correction: Bokeh depends on both the sensor and th... moreYou are also somewhat confused. The sensor, which is the surface on which light falls, is part of every optical system. Look for a diagram of any optical system in a camera, and you will see this. The parameters of the sensor that matter in the optical system are its size and shape, not its resolution - that was the whole point.

    Secondly, we were rather discussing the fixed properties of the optical system in the camera. If we do not limit ourselves to these, the distance of the object from the camera (linked to the fixed parameter of the minimum focusing distance) will be equally important—the smaller it is, the better the bokeh—and the distance of the object from the background—the farther the background is from the depth of field, the more impressive the bokeh it will create

      Gaben, 19 Mar 2025Sorry, but you really have a vague idea of how photography ... moreA small correction: Bokeh depends on both the sensor and the optical system, the optical system is the dominating factor though.

      The amount of bokeh is determined by the aperture setting itself. F2.8 will give more bokeh than f5.6 for example.
      The bokeh's shape is determined by shape of the aperture rings. (A 7 blade aperture will show septagons instead of circular lights in out of focus areas).
      Finally, the focal length (commonly called optical zoom), the higher it is, the more bokeh you'll get in out of focus areas. 18mm has less bokeh, 135mm has more.

      Sensor size also determines bokeh, (but on a single pixel level, not on the entire frame's level, thus it's complicated to understand & explain, but I tried in a previous comment).

        Gonvu, 19 Mar 2025Sensor with 200mp gathers the same light as 12mp because th... moreYou are incredibly dumb.

        Pixel density relative to total sensor area is how much light an individual pixel can take.

        10cm² box with 100 boxes is 1cm² each, if you increase the box count within the same area to 200, it is now 0.5cm²/5mm²

        You can shine light at the same total surface are but since the actual pixel itself is smaller and you now accommodate way more pixels in the same area, you have (in layman terms) more area wasted for borders.

        You can actually do a practical representation of this with a paper, pen and a scale/ruler at home. Draw 2 perfect squares identical in area and then try draw a grid inside those squares, one with 10 rows and 10 columns and the other with 20 rows and columns.

        Now compare both squares to each other and see which one has more area unshaded/blank/white which represents light throughput.

        You don't even need to be particularly good at math and physics for this, it should be just common thinking ability.

        Quit making misleading comments spreading gross misinformation.

          Gonvu, 19 Mar 2025Sensor with 200mp gathers the same light as 12mp because th... moreWho sits in a lightroom with mobile phone pics? The ordinary customer can't get decent results.
          The best colors I ever got in a cellphone camera was from Nokia N8, such pleasing, soft colors, and I never saw them again. I owned it so I know, but you can check its sample pics online, check the one with butterfly, another one showing a girl.
          It had a pixel pitch of 1.75 micrometer.

          And hey, why don't you share your findings with DSLR makers like Sony, Canon, Nikon as their premium range products are still on huge pixel size concept?
          Can you believe the Canon R1 (for $6000) has only 24 megapixels? Its a full frame sensor, why don't they do binning with 600 megapixels instead?
          Now you get me.

            Anonymous, 19 Mar 2025Bokeh is related to sensor size not pixel size A 1 inch se... moreTrue, but this is only when you compare both of these sensor setups with a 1:1 pixel crop. Who does that in real life?

            In other words, for the same bokeh, the 8MP camera must be close. On the other hand, the 200MP camera must be far away, and then crop its output to the same framing, as the 8MP cam did.
            Logical? I don't think so.

            The most likely thing is you'll take a 200MP pic and you'll never drop to pixel peeping level, you'll just post it online, thus it gets resized and loses most of the bokeh inside.

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              Anonymous, 19 Mar 2025Sure, you won't substantially improve out-of-focus det... moreSorry, but you really have a vague idea of how photography works. Bokeh depends solely on the characteristics of the optical system. Not the resolution of the sensor. A higher-resolution sensor will deliver more details that you can see upon closer inspection, but the sharpness of the photo also primarily depends on the quality of the optical system.

              Using extreme examples proves nothing. Yes, you need a sensor with some reasonable resolution to see anything on the photo besides large squares

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                Gonvu, 19 Mar 2025Sensor with 200mp gathers the same light as 12mp because th... moreThis will only work if you have a bigger sensor and a lower aperture.

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                  Sam N8 808 owner, 19 Mar 2025I'm not excited, it's like taking the "Sony&... moreSensor with 200mp gathers the same light as 12mp because the aperture and shutter do not change. Yes, 200mp is noisy but if we tweak it in the settings it is more detailed than the 12mp. Why 200mp are more noisy? It's because it is gathering every light in a pixel but the light that is gathered is still the same. Higher megapixels aren't gimmicks, you just don't know how to use them. There are so many misconceptions about higher megapixel. Tweak both 12mp and 200mp in the lightroom and you will see the detailed difference between the 200mp and 12mp are far superior.

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                    Anonymous, 19 Mar 2025Bokeh is related to sensor size not pixel size A 1 inch se... moreSure, you won't substantially improve out-of-focus detail with a higher pixel count, but bokeh only happens because the foreground is so sharp in comparison.

                    A 1 inch sensor would be practically useless at 75 kilopixels.

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                      Anonymous, 19 Mar 2025Ok 200MP 1inch type or 50MP 1 inch type Which... more1 in. that catches a lot of photons, costs less, transfers data efficiently (resulting in less heat and faster burst rates)

                      vs

                      1 in. that catches slightly less photons, costs more, slightly sharper detail, higher defect rate, a massive pain to program, etc.

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                        Sam N8 808 owner, 19 Mar 2025I'm not excited, it's like taking the "Sony&... moreBokeh is related to sensor size not pixel size
                        A 1 inch sensor will have same bokeh with 8 megapixel or 400 megapixel

                          Wonder where is Samsung 400Mpix and 600 Mpix cameras which we got some info about them 2 years ago,

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                            Sam N8 808 owner, 19 Mar 2025I'm not excited, it's like taking the "Sony&... morePixel size neither affects bokeh nor directly translates to color quality, which mainly depends on the sensor technology and the tonal range of colors

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                              Anonymous, 19 Mar 2025Sonys processing and software is crap. Thats why sony senso... moreComparinh when xperia has their own, not same by other.
                              If other do better, why the need of sharpening and so much enhancement to " look good" .. ?

                                I don't care much about megapixels. But if they could make a sensor tailored for slim periscope cameras, that'd be great (so something like JN5 or IMX858).

                                  weird AI generated images, GSMArena

                                    vik457, 19 Mar 20251/1,12" sensor with 0,7 micrometer pixel pitch?I'd say you're either spot on or very close.

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                                      Ok

                                      200MP 1inch type

                                      or

                                      50MP 1 inch type

                                      Whichbone would you chose if you were an OEM?

                                        vik457, 19 Mar 2025Imx925?Just read about these and yes, pretty much exactly like the IMX925 and IMX935 but with even higher bandwidth if possible for 4k 120-240fps or more videos as well.

                                        I never knew these sensors have been around for almost a year as per the data sheet but is only used for industrial applications, such a shame...

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