vivo X200 Ultra in for review
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- SirArtur
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- 3 hours ago
LOVECAT, 4 hours agoLook how many years it took phone manufacturers to understa... moreYou cannot just throw numbers like that. 200 mpix in such tiny sensor as we have in smartphones do not bring any value when it comes to image resolution. They are limited by the diffraction limit. So no, having even more just do not make sense. You cannot expect to any technology resolve detail that is smaller than the length of the light wave itself.
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- Aierlan
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- 3 hours ago
jiyen235, 7 hours agohm wow if it's the same sensor then it's gonna be... moreThat sensor is not that expensive. Replacement cost for consumers for example on the Xiaomi 15 is 335rmb (about $46) and it's 345rmb (about $48) on the Xiaomi 15 pro. That includes the lens replacement. The actual sensor cost to the company would be only a fraction of this. It's really not much more expensive that the previous 1/1.56" Sony sensor. They really skimped on the ultrawide also which keeps the cost down and the telephoto is the OV64b which is good for the price but a bit cheaper than the LYT600/imx882 that Oppo and Vivo use. I'd say the camera sensors on the Nubia z60 ultra were probably more expensive or at least as expensive as you had the awesome 1/1.55" OV50e (same as the main sensor on the Poco F7 ultra and pro) for the 18mm ultrawide instead of this really cheap 1/2.88" OV50d
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Nick Tegrataker, 6 hours agoCorrection: I meant to say "No smartphone WIDE ANGLE l... moreLook how many years it took phone manufacturers to understand that the telephoto lens that is intended for zoomm should have many megapixels like 200mp.
And now if the vivo x200 ultra gains enough attention with a main 35mm and a sufficiently large ultrawide sensor other manufacturers that are in the top 5 will follow soon. But now another problem arises because the ultrawide sensor captures too wide a picture there is a significant loss when zooming in and you will understand that even with it a 200mp sensor is needed especially if it has to replace the 23mm focal length. And in this case only the main sensor if it is 35mm will not need to be more than 50mp.
Although manufacturers are quite affected by marketing and because new chips already support sensors with higher resolution the new marketing will be 300-320mp or in other words binning 5*5 = 25 * 12mp to 12.8mp. But as we all remember, when the 200MP sensors came out, there was a terrible lack of software optimization and in practice the 50MP ones were better than them, only now maybe over 5 years later they are sufficiently optimized. So the same path is expected for the new 300-320MP sensors and they will rely only on the marketing of the number of MP.
And after 2030-2032 we may see 6*6 binning = 432 to 460 MP and only then will the 300-320MP sensors be sufficiently optimized and until then no significant leap in photography is expected compared to the current flagships.
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- 6 hours ago
Nick Tegrataker, 10 hours agoThere's a substantial difference between 23-24mm and 3... moreCorrection: I meant to say "No smartphone WIDE ANGLE lens is actually sharp enough for 100MP resolution" here, as there are phones with a 200MP telephoto camera that resolve more details in 200MP than in 50MP (although the microcontrast suffers a lot).
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alfamus, 15 hours agoPLEASE on your review state if the night mode has adjustabl... moreIn combine mode landsc. & Night phone have some fixed optins like 2s, 4s, 8s and 2hours and if dont chose some of fixed option can activate from left side on the screen tripod and if phone is very steady on mine go up to 91 seconds if behind camera put some solid black object but i think up to 32s is good enough for most cases.
In pro mode have options from 1/12000 to 32s exposure and iso from 72 to 12800 but if iso is auto can go up maybe like a 64K+. Also phone have time-laps mode and you have control of shooting intervals from 0.5 to 32s and how much time to continue from 3 up to 300 minutes. These options is valid for all rear sensors not like in most phones only for mine sensor.
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- 2WB
- 7 hours ago
Anonymous, 21 hours agoHP9 matches size of LYT808. Imx888 ( 53 not 52MP) is n... moreyeah so effectively, the IMX 888 isn't a proper 1/1.35" sensor. You dont get the benefits of it. It's, in reality, a cropped sensor.
- jiyen235
- 2WB
- 7 hours ago
Aierlan, 8 hours agoThe zte is using the same sensor as the Xiaomi 14pro/Xiaomi... morehm wow if it's the same sensor then it's gonna be really close, how in the world did they keep the price so low? Unbelievable stuff....
i'll check it out thanks for the heads up
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- 8 hours ago
I really hope the reviewer will use a decent thermal imaging camera to show the maximum heat distribution of this unit during the 4K video recording test. In Xiaomi 15 ultra, the SD elite chip made the phone really hot (almost unbearable to touch) after just minutes of video recording.
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- Aierlan
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- 8 hours ago
jiyen235, 10 hours agoNo, the ZTE is most likely going to be inferior to this. I&... moreThe zte is using the same sensor as the Xiaomi 14pro/Xiaomi 15/Xiaomi 15 pro/Honor magic 7 pro/ Honor magic 7. There is a comparison today between the x200 ultra and z70s ultra from ZPH on YouTube
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- 8 hours ago
Anonymous, 15 hours agoSmall step ahead and you with 23mm can have exactly same fr... moreSomeone clearly has not looked at a video on street photography like at all, usually the focal length they opt for is 35mm or 40mm, sometimes even 50mm, 24mm is too wide, it's better for landscapes or architecture. Also cropping an image taken at 24mm to achive the same fov as 35mm obviously lowers the quality and resolution, especially important when all phone camera sensors are 12mp. Also also no you can't just stretch your arms forward to magically get a similar fov to 35mm, physically impossible lol, you're just bringing the subject closer and as an unwanted results distorting it, pretty important when you're taking photos of people.
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- 8 hours ago
PS Vita, 22 hours agoWould love to see a comparison between this and the Xiaomi ... moreSome here:
https://youtu.be/QGhls-WrW4M
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- 9 hours ago
I think x200 ultra has one of most impressive camera setup. It got best ultra wide and best 35mm shooter but one thing that is on my mind is 50mm! For example x100 ultra has 23-24mm 1 inch sensor so it can do sensor crop and reach Quilty of optical sensor 1/2 ( also another lyt-600 used in ultra wide ) will x200 ultra able to match the Quilty at 50mm as x100 ultra can? Because x200 ultra's sensor crop activates at 70mm and it already got 85mm lens than why whould someone shoot 70mm?
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- pgp
- 9 hours ago
AltFantasy, 15 hours agoeh, that's just your opinion, and this phone is defini... moreWe shouldn't be cheering on manufacturers who deliberately cripple phones with band restrictions just to artificially country-lock their devices.
Don't you expect your very expensive "flagship" to actually work properly when you travel outside your specific country?
And then there's the reality of no official warranty or local support. That might be acceptable for a no value cheap, disposable phone, but it's a joke for an expensive device pretending to be a premium flagship.
These aren't just my "opinions", these are hard facts about what you're sacrificing.
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- Uriuri
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- 9 hours ago
Can you please provide the exact weight of the individual components of the optional photography kit? How many grams does the grip, teleconverter, case weigh? I haven't found this information in any review.
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- Kaenga
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- 10 hours ago
It would be interesting to get information about global available smartphones! In my opinion you can skip the news about Chino-only phones!
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- 10 hours ago
Anonymous, 15 hours agoSmall step ahead and you with 23mm can have exactly same fr... moreyou seriously lack proper understanding of focal lengths. No point in arguing with you, you need some further education.
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- 10 hours ago
Aierlan, 16 hours agoYeah it's obvioulsy superior if both shoot at 35mm (wi... moreNo, the ZTE is most likely going to be inferior to this. I'm certain that the LYT-818 is the most advanced 1/1.3" class sensor there is. Just like the JN5/HP9 it'll punch above its weight. The JN1 and HP3 sensors, although not bad, arent great either. The newer gen ones, in one fell swoop, fixed everything. The difference between a previous gen sensor of the same class and a newer one is absolutely astonishing. Though I must say I havent seen any samples of the ZTE and if it's using the same excellent sensor as the Xiaomi 14 Pro, it'll only be slightly inferior to the Vivo or at best equal. We wont know for certain. What we DO know is that modern day sensors are half sensor quality and half processing quality, if you cant demosaic and stuff properly you'll get poorer shots compared to the competition. ZTE clearly fails in the processing department.
Even for videos I prefer these focal lengths, I really REALLY love the 35 mm FOV. I haven't really seen any comparisons that put the Vivo at a disadvantage due to the sensor quality, it's mostly due to lack of bitrate when compared to something like the iPhone.
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- Nick Tegrataker
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- 10 hours ago
Anonymous, 15 hours agoSmall step ahead and you with 23mm can have exactly same fr... moreThere's a substantial difference between 23-24mm and 35mm field of views in terms of perspective if you're shooting the same subject to fill the frame. The latter would make everything look a lot more compressed, which is a good thing since it would keep the shape of the subject a lot less distorted.
The only way to match the view of a 23mm lens with that of a 35mm lens is to apply a 1.5x crop digitally, but this would result in a substantial image quality penalty if you're shooting in less than ideal lighting. For instance, Xiaomi 15 Ultra's main camera with a 1.5x crop can keep up with X200 Ultra's main camera shooting at its native field of view during the day, but it will immediately fall apart when you start shooting in low light (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQRnJmcvJC0&t=280s).
"Not proper for outdoors like street photography"
"For this the photocameras have as most adequate the 24mm."
What a load of BS. 35mm FF equivalent field of view is excellent for street photography and there's a reason why this is chosen by many compact cameras (e.g. X100 series, RX1 series). Even those that go wider than 35mm are still stuck around 28mm (e.g. GFX100RF, Ricoh GRIII). Human eyes are said to have a field of view between 35-50mm, depending on how focused you are at a particular object, and in any case, 24mm is way too wide for casual artistic snaps.
Theoretically, a 100MP type-1 sensor with 23mm equivalent F1.45 lens would be able to capture just as much light and resolution as the main camera of X200 Ultra per field of view - But at the moment no smartphone lens is actually sharp enough for 100MP resolution and this would also double the size of the main camera module.
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- AnonD-1201284
- T3u
- 11 hours ago
Chinese only, not worth buying elsewhere. End of story.
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- cloud1704
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- 12 hours ago
wish GSMArena team will prep extensive comparison with Oppo Find X8 Ultra and S25 Ultra (to represent the usual global android phone) for camera aspect. thanks.