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  • 19 May 2023

Tom209, 18 May 2023Pubmed (the website I referenced before), is where all past... moreBluetooth and WiFi use the same frequency as your microwave, we may not get cancer from it, but we might all be turned into the Sunday roast one day.

    Carol, 18 May 2023As i have already said, bluetooth has regulations, and ther... morePubmed (the website I referenced before), is where all past and ongoing/recent scientific studies are published. It's the direct source material.

    The most recent being:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35648738/

    To quote "a meta analysis & systematic review of 42 epidemiological and 11 experimental studies - conclusion: " The body of evidence allows no final conclusion on the question whether exposure to RF EMF from mobile communication devices poses a particular risk to children and adolescents" - "Futher higher quality research is required".

    I go directly to source materials, and I read and comprehend the studies myself without any external influences.

    The last major studies conducting on rf/emf exposure were from the early 2000's. The same datasets are used in drawing current cellphone radiation guidelines.

    However, a recent animal based study that was published in 2018 ( NIEHS - National Institute Environmental Health Science - https://factor.niehs.nih.gov/2018/11/feature/1-feature-radiation ) found the development of cancerous heart tumors in rats.

    The methodology used in the study cannot be replicated on humans due to ethics. Therefore further more robust research is required and this is currently ongoing.

    Therefore it's disingenuous to say that the exposure from cell phones/bluetooth is completely safe, when almost every conclusion taken directly from the scientific studies themselves specifically state that no current conclusion can be drawn as further research is required.

    I'm trusting the conclusions stated by the scientists/researchers that actually conducted these studies, as opposed to the FCC.

    Current SAR regulations are based solely on past outdated data, gathered before the developement of tablets, touchscreen smartphones and bluetooth headphones - and the research is ongoing and no definitive safety conclusion can currently be drawn - however the current SAR limits are precautionary, and I'm glad that phones and wireless devices sold within the EU are strictly regulated under EU directives.

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      • 18 May 2023

      Tom209, 17 May 2023Like I said in my previous post - it's not been proven... moreAs i have already said, bluetooth has regulations, and there is no need to do studies on bluetooh waves when there already studies on eletromagnetic fields and their frequency (waves), and they were already proven for decades to not cause cell mutations. To take some cancer statistics and cast them on radio waves even though they were proven to not cause cancer, is as you said one coment before "garbage science", and is clearly taken from internet sites that are sprading only bs and are based on no actually study, but more on studies made by some strange Alu-Hat people.
      As for cancer concernings, there is something humans seem to have been forgotten. Cernobil, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the 2011 explosion in Japan. If anything is to blame for cancer uprising, are this full blown gamma ray events. Especially Cernobil. The worst enviromental disaster ever on the planet. It still radiates from under the dome. When it happened, the radiation spread out on the planet and especially in europe people eate food poisoned with gamma rays comming from rain/ clouds of radiation that were flying all over europe and touched US grounds too, who knows which other continents were affected by this. And that place is still a concern, nobody is allowed to stay more then 30 minutes to visit the site. Back then, a wave of cancer was predicted to peak around 30 years after the event. So, we kind of are in the middle of a reaction chain of our own ignorance, and well, their they go again...over 30 years was too much for some, so they "forgot" why they destroyed the atomic bombs in the first place.

        Carol, 16 May 2023Sorry Tom, but you are not interested in what you read, onl... moreLike I said in my previous post - it's not been proven safe or unsafe, as all the research to date has been undermined by methodological shortcomings, and there is a need for higher-quality future research.

        Also factor in cancer statistics: The statistics on cancer prevalence and mortality rates worldwide, have increased exponentially within the last 50 years. Whether this is correlation/causation, remains yet to be seen. More research is required.

        In the meantime, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO PUBLISHED RESEARCH STUDIES on the safety of Bluetooth earphones, especially being worn for hours on end - directly in ear. None. Therefore we cannot determine its safety, as there is no research to backup either (safe/unsafe) claim.

        Radio frequencies are constantly being emitted, and every human is exposed to some form on a daily basis. But the difference is proximity - bluetooth earphones are worn in ear - for hours. To claim this is safe or unsafe, without any published evidence, is disingenuous. However, there are thousands upon thousands of individuals, case & anecdotal reports, forums, youtube videos etc of these wireless devices causing issues to people, ranging from common headaches, migraines, insomnia, fatigue, cognitive decline etc. Therefore more research is seriously required.

        Until then, forcing people to use bluetooth devices by removing access to 3.5mm headphone ports is murky territory. Something which manufacturers like Apple are completely happy to do, while ignoring consumer health, and other manufacturers are happy to do the same & follow suit.

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          • 17 May 2023

          Tom209, 16 May 2023Also bear in mind that there is a reason why all smartphone... moreI wrote back, but apparently GSMarena devicded to delete the answer for no reason... So, well i leave it as it is...

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            • 16 May 2023

            Tom209, 16 May 2023The argument about 3.5 headphone jacks vs usb/wireless is o... moreSorry Tom, but you are not interested in what you read, only in what you believe and want others to believe.
            I never said, that radiation is not true. I said that radiation from bluetooth equals radiation from FM or AM, and to put it more clearly, this waves cannot trigger cancer.
            Again Radio is older then any study on bluetooth and nobody got fatigue from it since, nor cancer, and there is a reason why. Radio waves are pretty much everywhere you are turning. I mean if one cold see them with light, there would be only smoke everywhere, in your home too.
            You talked about regulation but somehow faiI understand that this regulation are already implemented, nothing under this regulations were ever proven to cause harm, so how could bluetooth? Bluetooth tech is older then 20 years now by the way. And to come to the reason as of why this waves, including 5G networks, are not able to cause cancer: there are ionizing and non-ionizing radiations, the first one is causing cancer, definetly: Most known are x-ray, UV and gamma rays. So Ionizing Radiation can mutate human cells, non-ionizing cannot, therefor are unable to cause cancer/body mutations.
            Of course, nothing will ever be proven 100% safe, not even food, because even food when eaten too much can cause fat, fatigue and all types of health issues... watter when drinking to much can cause sudden death, so yeah, not 100% safe. That's science.
            What is clear, is that this waves are not among the ones that are proven to cause health issues/cell mutations cancer/ death.
            To make you understand even better, the radiation that comes from the Sun is far more dangereus then any radio wave that respects given regulations, and can actually cause cancer. Especially now, that we destoyed our Ozone and the UV waves are extremly strong.
            For a very easy to understand Graphic of The Electromagnetic Spectrum take a look at this: https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/toolbox/emspectrum1.html
            Again i am not denying the dangers of radio waves, i am saying that if there should be a real problem with them, nobody found it till date for more then 100 years, and each year there are a lot of money invested in research. I doubt that they will find a Problem in the next 100.
            I would be more concerned of the SAR values on a chinese device then of bluetooth waves.
            As for 3.5 jack, i do not agree. But at this point it does not matter, here to each his own...

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            Carol, 15 May 2023I don't dispute that for a large proportion of users t... moreAlso bear in mind that there is a reason why all smartphone manufacturers have to strictly abide by/adhere to, SAR regulations enfoced within market regions.

            These regulations are implemented to protect consumers from over exposure to radiation. This is a regulatory & legal requirement.

            If radiation exposure was "junk science", then almost every government around the world would not enforce these regulations. It is mandatory & in place to protect consumers.

              Carol, 15 May 2023I don't dispute that for a large proportion of users t... moreThe argument about 3.5 headphone jacks vs usb/wireless is ongoing, and there are just as many sound/audio specific websites that test the quality and have determined that analog 3.5mm is still far superior.

              I wouldn't classify radiation as "flat earth science". You should look into the works of Joel Moskowitz or Henry Lai, to name but a few. Also have a look over on pubmed (national library of medicine) & take a look at some of the past and current studies on the topic. It's very interesting.

              Having Bluetooth devices in such close proximity to the skin/body (in ear) for hours on end - has not been determined as safe or unsafe, as there are no long term studies that have been conducted to determine this.

              To quote David Robert Grimes review, published in 2021: " The evidence from these combined strands strongly indicates that claims of an RFR–cancer link are not supported by the current evidence base. Much of the research to date, however, has been undermined by methodological shortcomings, and there is a need for higher-quality future research endeavors".

              The research, especially long term effects, has not been appropriately and robustly studied for cancer, let alone any other health related issues.

              I'm no conspiracy theorist. I'm science & evidence based. Just as there is no substantiated evidence that chinese branded smartphones "access & steal" user data, there is no conclusive evidence that Bluetooth/close proximity radiation is entirely safe & without ill effects, long term.

              However, anecdotal reports of issues are mounting

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                • 15 May 2023

                Tom209, 15 May 2023headphone jacks are still very important to a large demogra... moreI don't dispute that for a large proportion of users they still appreciate a 3.5mm jack... but nope, that port does not deliever better sound then usb, especially not in smartphones, especially not in cheap smartphones, so the audiophiles that prefere 3.5mm jack over usb in a smartphone are more like, wannabe's then anything elese. If intersted, this article explains it quite good for all to understand: https://soundgearlab.com/usb-vs-3-5-mm-headsets/.
                Yes, there is this problem when the device needs to charge, but if the user cannot put the device to rest for 2 hours so it can charge, for even less this days, then the lack of a 3.5 jack is the least of the users problems.
                As for Bluetooth radiation. Well if anyone is sensitive to that, there would have been, some kind of Aluminium homes by now, as bluetooth operates in the same radio waves wi-fi operates, or the actuall radio, like FM or AM. They all fight for a spot on the waves Bluetooth is actually a quite smart radio wave, that uses a tech called "frequency hopping" to avoid colliding with other radio's that transmit in the same time on the same frequency range, therefore to avoid packets loss. Taking this in consideration, and knowing that radio waves were developed more then 100 years now, is kind of hard to believe that sensitivity to this is genuine, and not a placebo induced by to much flat-earthers kind of "science" on the internet.
                If their is a problem with health or fatigue there is more likely to be because of the fact that people move way less then never before, let alone sports, stare at a small screen way to many hours, and eat a questionable meal way to often. Well, my two cents on it.

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                  • 15 May 2023

                  Tom209, 15 May 2023headphone jacks are still very important to a large demogra... moreYeh! I'm paranoid too and don't trust Bluetooth earphones either, I only use a adaptors when there's no jack , that's also why I'm always worried when I look down at my PlayStation controller and realised I was holding it near my crotch the whole time 😯.

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                  Carol, 14 May 2023Yeah ot does not have one. I cared about 3.5.mm jack, in 20... moreheadphone jacks are still very important to a large demographic, ranging from audiophiles through to those concerned with the negative effects of radiation emitted from Bluetooth devices, & the SAR rate.

                  There are hundreds of online forums dedicated to the issue, with many people that experience negative effects. The research into the negative health effects are also not conclusive, as the quality of the studies that were conducted are questionable, and researchers only checked for cancer/tumors. (Not other effects such as fatigue, cognitive issues, sleep quality, immune system - that is often reported by those sensitive to emf).

                  Researchers have only just begun admitting to the melatonin lowering effects of smartphone displays, and manufacturers are adjusting their display tech accordingly. Headphone jacks should also be prioritized, as dongles are not complete solutions, as you cannot charge your device at the same time, and the sound quality isn't entirely comparable to 3.5mm. Also the option is, from a economical point of view, more environmentally friendly, as there is no cost involved in using wired headphones, compared to the charging requirements of Bluetooth devices.

                  Even though organisations such as the national cancer institute claim that there is no conclusive evidence of a link between cell phone use & cancer, they still quote the FDA guidance on their website with the following:

                  "Use a device with hands-free technology, such as wired headsets, which place more distance between the phone and the head of the user".

                  Let us not forget, that it was Apple that mainly marketed headphone port free devices, with an objective to sell more of their wireless airpods. This was, as usual, copied by other manufacturers - with no real consideration taken into account for the end user. With Apple's immense social conditioning, it has now become normal to shun headphone jacks, and people have just accepted the omitting in favor of bluetooth.

                  The same wasn't and isn't done for charging ports. As manufactuters still currently make too much money from chargers/wires, and the wireless charge technology is still too costly to implement on a large scale.

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                    • 14 May 2023

                    MakeNokiaGreatAgain, 14 May 2023Ha ha, Bixby is probably the worst name one could think of ... moreYeah, they should do better and take out the garbage.

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                    Carol, 14 May 2023Yeah ot does not have one. I cared about 3.5.mm jack, in 20... moreHa ha, Bixby is probably the worst name one could think of for a voice assistant. Samsung really can do better.

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                    • 14 May 2023

                    MakeNokiaGreatAgain, 12 May 2023Just realized Nokia X30 doesn't have 3.5 mm jack eithe... moreYeah ot does not have one. I cared about 3.5.mm jack, in 2019 when i bought nokia 9 PV, my first device i had without the jack. But i had a dongle that was always hanging on the wire of the head-phones, so it was not that bad at the beginning. Now, i really cannot say that 3.5 matters anymore, i do not care, bluetooth headset came a long way and are actually pretty good this days, also there are headsets that have usb type c and not 3.5mm jack, and also there are dongles that you can let hanging on the headset cable, there is almost no difference to quality, better yet, i find it to be a better sound over the usb. All arround this is, for me at least, a criteria where people should not look that much at, when buying a phone. There are other, way more important, stuff like watter resistance, case quality,
                    Resistance to dropping, call quality, and the very important: OS and OS updates, security and warranty. Samsung might have some interesting offerings, but they get "not interesting" very fast, when you enter that rubbish of an OS, especially in lower price point devices. Only to be stuck with that bixby and google assistent at the same time, is something to vomit on, and believe me, this are only the cherry's on the top of a big garbage cake.

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                    • 13 May 2023

                    MakeNokiaGreatAgain, 13 May 2023Rubbish. HMD have made some legendary Nokia phones over the... moreIf nokia put a couple more pence into their phones (and ditch the android one project) then I think they would be a force to be reckoned with, but they always seem to cut corners like this g60 the speakers are terrible and the screens color accuracy is way off, I love the quality of nokia products I do, but every nokia I have had recently has also had too many software problems, for instance the g60 stutters in games and other weird problems like the notifications panel not retracting in some apps which prevented me for returning to said app. I think stock android can be a bad thing if all the companies going to do is release (slowly) unfinished buggy software, saying "its stock android so we don't have to bother making it work properly" .

                      Imbukwa, 13 May 2023Because HMD Global don't make competitive smartphones ... moreRubbish. HMD have made some legendary Nokia phones over the years. Nokia 6, Nokia 8, Nokia 7 Plus, Nokia 8 Sirocco, Nokia 9 PureView, Nokia X71, Nokia 8.3 5G, Nokia XR20 and many more. In their current lineup — Nokia X30, Nokia G60 and Nokia XR21 are superb phones. If I am not mistaken HMD has a Nokia member on their board, which means Nokia approves HMD phones and strategy. X, XR, G, and T Series are fine. C series need some tweaking and all will be fine.

                      MakeNokiaGreatAgain, 12 May 2023100 times better? How do you calculate that? No 3.5 mm jack... moreBecause HMD Global don't make competitive smartphones that will uphold the Nokia brand. The midrange and entry level smartphones HMD global have made are ruining the Nokia brand reputation.

                      Carol, 12 May 2023Or buy a better pain free phone from the start.Just realized Nokia X30 doesn't have 3.5 mm jack either. Doesn't make it a bad phone though. I will admit Samsung A34 looks like a very good phone, but I would still choose Nokia G60 or X30 over it. Just a matter of taste at this point as they are close in characteristics.

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                        • BiP
                        • 12 May 2023

                        MakeNokiaGreatAgain, 12 May 2023Never used one. Will it affect audio quality? No, sometimes it actually better as it a digital signal through the usb, however if the phone needs an adaptor with a DAC chip (like the old htc's did) it can have bad noise in the background, especially if it's a cheap one.

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                        • 12 May 2023

                        Anonymous, 12 May 2023Or just buy a usb C to 3.5mm adaptor! Or buy a better pain free phone from the start.