Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra review
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higher, 02 Mar 2020Apple acquired chemical vapor deposition (CVD) machinery fo... moreWTF !
Do you have any idea what you are talking ? This is why I said earlier ...
Apple fans don't know sh*tt.
CVD is used to produce displays, not to design them.
What's to designs Display when the tech design is there by Samsung, LG, Sharp etc etc.
It's not like Apple wll do better design than Samsung without having any experience in Display department.
When it will happen, The display will be made by Apple too. Only designing doesn't work for display.
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AnonD-754814, 02 Mar 2020You can't use rumors as proof. This fits for both the GSM... moreApple acquired chemical vapor deposition (CVD) machinery for OLED R&D from Sunic System in 2017. Who else is buying such machinery? Samsung Display and LG Display. What about the LTPO-OLED screens on the Apple Watches? This OLED display backplane technology was developed by Apple.
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higher, 02 Mar 2020The referenced article by Reuters is the only one claiming ... moreYou can't use rumors as proof.
This fits for both the GSMarena and Reuters post.
According to your GSMARENA post, Apple display should have been made by themselves. As my knowledge no company in history did design display and made by others. Additionally Apple doesn't care which part is made by who as long as those parts perform well and provide Apple with more profit. They don't even make their smartphone themself, why would they bother to produce display !
And for the modem. This will happen in the futute.
Currently relationship between Sammy and Qualcomm isn't good.
So, Samsung might not get the contract at all.
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AnonD-754814, 02 Mar 2020Forget the modem..
Their entire 700 series are made by Sa... moreThe referenced article by Reuters is the only one claiming that Samsung will manufacture X60s as well. I take it with a pinch of salt considering that TSMC has a lot better density at 5nm than Samsung meaning the Samsung manufactured chips would be bigger in physical size and would also have different efficiency characteristics.
Also:
https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_is_switching_to_inhouse_oled_screens_in_2018-news-26356.php
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The Last Oracle, 02 Mar 2020Because Samsung came to the 7nm party a little late, and th... moreNah, not because of that.
Qualcomm was going for Samsung. Then when Samsung shut down mongoose core division and moving back to ARM design like Qualcomm and then partnered with AMD to design Samsung's own GPU . Everything has changed.
I don't know why, but Qualcomm moved to TSMC deliberately even though Samsung's 7nm EUV is better than TSMC's 7nm process.
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AnonD-754814, 02 Mar 2020Tell me your opinion on the matter ,,
Why did Qualcomm mov... moreBecause Samsung came to the 7nm party a little late, and then was busy concentrating on 5nm and 7nm chips. And that's why Snapdragon didn't use Samsung foundry.
Btw, there is also an underlying competition/rivalry between the Samsung Exynos and Snapdragon SoC based on their core designs. Now that the Mongoose Cores have been laid to rest, this should hopefully, be reduced too.
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AnonD-762416, 02 Mar 2020That is Apple spinsters for you. "Apple designed" is their ... moreAnd it went above my head. What did you try to prove ?
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Who knows, 02 Mar 2020By reading all comments and replies from the beginning I ca... moreHe is right about one thing though. Qualcomm no longer uses custom core. May be since SD 820 when SD810 failed completely they moved to ARM base design. They had a deal with ARM. thats why Qualcomm can rename The ARM cotex design to 'Kryo' and other companies don't.
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AnonD-754814, 02 Mar 2020Your information are far from being fact. How do you know t... moreThat is Apple spinsters for you. "Apple designed" is their tears-in-the-throat lingo for admitting they're nothing but an OEM.
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Nick Tagataka, 02 Mar 2020"it's obvious that Apple doesn't want the SoC design to fel... moreTell me your opinion on the matter ,,
Why did Qualcomm move to TSMC at the very last moment for 865 SoC production instead of Samsung.
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higher, 02 Mar 2020Sorry but yet another lie. Qualcomm's Snapdragon X60 is man... moreForget the modem..
Their entire 700 series are made by Samsung.
Samsung has made processor for both Intel and AMD too.
TSMC is nowhere near Samsung when it comes to semiconductor business.
Samsung has the highest market share around 18% even more than Intel .
TSMC mainly just makes SoC.
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higher, 02 Mar 2020The amount of lies and misinformation on this forum is stag... moreYour information are far from being fact. How do you know the other parts are not from Samsung ? As Samsung is the biggest semiconductor manufacturers(even intel is behinf them), There might be many parts in apple which are made by Samsung.
And How on earth Apple be able to give display design to Samsung ? Apple has no experience or ability to do that.
You are another apple fanboy.
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Who knows, 02 Mar 2020Don't talk like a d***
It's not like Apple don't use Sam... moreBro,, I was saying that. Not him.
Anyway I stay with my opinion and that's true. That's the same reason(well, almost) Qualcomm didn't go to Samsung for 865 as Samsung is moving to ARM's core directly like Qualcomm. Though I am not sure that this is the true reason Qualcomm didn't choose Samsung, there might be other reasons.
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The Last Oracle, 02 Mar 2020You have absolutely no idea. Neither about Bayer nor about ... moreI don't see much wrong with that explanation.
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Who knows, 02 Mar 2020By reading all comments and replies from the beginning I ca... moreI was referring to iPhones only while you said Apple products. Some Macbooks and iPads have DDR4/LPDDR4 memory from Samsung but the storage is almost always from Toshiba. It's a little correction but still very far away from your 40-60 ratio.
Other than that Qualcomm DOES NOT design custom CPU cores for years. Exynos is irrelevant (next to Snapdragon). These are true statements.
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Nick Tagataka, 02 Mar 2020"it's obvious that Apple doesn't want the SoC design to fel... moreThey can't steal it directly. It will be a criminal act. But they certainly can take a peak and use that experience to improve their exynos SoC.
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Anonymous, 02 Mar 2020He said no headphone jack how come he’s an iPhone user lol.If not then why would he say hole punch display is from Apple ?
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Anonymous, 02 Mar 2020Yeah know that, but Samsung used to manufacturing Apple Soc... moreBigger core ?? What is that ?
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Future Leader, 01 Mar 2020So I've to waste my time for this man again.. Well let educ... more1. Meizu used Exynos 2 years ago, they switched to Snapdragon. Actually with VIVO and Motorola you're right but their marketshare is non-existent.
2. You're right that in 2015 they introduced their own 64-bit Soc (two years after Apple) which was an utter flop. From there onward they switched to ARM Cortex designs.
Anandtech:
"The Snapdragon 835's Kryo 280 performance and efficiency cores make use of ARM's Built on ARM Cortex Technology license which allows Qualcomm to make requests to ARM to change some aspects of the architectures of newly released cores and implement these changes exclusively into Snapdragon SoCs. As such the S835's CPU cores were derivatives of ARM's Cortex A73 and Cortex A53 CPU IPs. The Snapdragon 845 being the first SoC to be based on a DynamIQ big.LITTLE CPU organization also undoubtedly suggests that the Kryo 385 CPUs are based on ARM's Cortex A75 and Cortex A55 IPs"
"The Snapdragon 855 is Qualcomm’s first SoC powered by Arm’s new Cortex-A76 CPU core, which we also saw in the Kirin 980. Qualcomm still makes use of Arm’s “Built on Cortex Technology” license, where it requests changes to the CPU IP to be delivered by Arm."
Same goes for SD865's A77 cores.
3. Where's Exynos faster? In Geekbench am I right? :) Show me proof.
4. Apple's A-series are also ARM cpu's in a sense that they license the ISA from ARM but they design their microarchitecture from the ground up. Apple's architectures are far more efficient (and powerful) than anything from ARM or Samsung's Mongoose.
So what is this "narrower transistor" and "efficiency" bullshit? :)
5. I said that both Exynos 990 and SD865 use A55 as efficiency cores which is the truth. You can rename them to Kryo or whatever but the fact remains that it's designed by ARM. Qualcomm exited the custom CPU game 5 years ago.
ARM Cortex A55 was introduced in May, 2017 and so it's in 4th year now.
Efficiency cores in A13 are underclocked? Wow, so are the A55 cores. A13's efficiency cores are clocked at 1.73 Ghz while Cortex A55's are clocked at 1.8 Ghz.
6. With Snapdragon you're right. Exynos 990 has 2x Mongoose M5, 2x ARM Cortex A76, 4x ARM Cortex A55. Kirin 990 is 2x A76 (higher clocked) 2x A76 (lower clocked), 4x A55. So they're not the same configuration.
7. Why? You said that performance cores do not need to be efficient. Please elaborate on this.
8. Yes, Samsung shipped many (budget) phones in 2019 but their flagship sales (which actually make profit) are very very low. Just take a look at Samsung's financial reports and you'll see.
Designing a SoC is the most expensive thing in a smartphone and it costs billions of dollars. Mongoose cores didn't manage to live up to their expectations that's why Samsung killed their Austin SoC crew.
9. Yes Apple licenses the ISA from ARM. I didn't say otherwise.
10. Anandtech is not predicting anything. They reviewed the QRD 865 development phone from Qualcomm and those are hard numbers not predictions.
What screen refresh rate "capability" has to do with GPU performance???
Yes, please accept it that Adreno 650 can't even match the GPU in A12 yet alone in A13. And it's said by Anandtech whose reviewer was an engineer at Imagination so perhaps he has a better knowledge of GPUs than you. :))
Actually it was good fun to read your utter nonsense posts but you may stop now. It's gettig annoying.
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Nick Tagataka, 02 Mar 2020Huh? Ok, so why did you attack me for "talking like a d***"... moreWell my reaction for you one word which makes sense at all. Following the reaction I showed you a fact and the image of the industry