Sagem MY G5

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• JIM
• 05 Jan 2003

schnulli my fisio 825 has full memory why ive not used it yet? do u know how i can get the memory back its used up 96%

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• anthony
• 05 Jan 2003

Schnulli your words are getting easier and easier to misunderstand because you are not writing cohesively any more. you are now making error after error...

First of all, we can agree that both the colour pallette and the graphical processor combine to improve the look of a game, BUT as i said before when it specifically comes to GAMES, without the GRAPHIC ENGINE you will not get more colours in the first place. you are confusing a mobile phone's standard colour displaying capabilities with a specific games console's (GBA) colour pallette, which can only be produced through the GBA's one and only graphics chip. you need to UNDERSTAND that both the ExEn chip and the J2ME VM are NOT the chips that determine a mobile phone's standard colour displaying capabilities. they are both merely JVM's (Java Virtual Machine's, also called VM for short), with ExEn being a Game API all of it's own. a seperate graphics chip within these phones (usually one made by companies like ARM) is actually the one which is in charge of determining just how many colours a phone is limtied to displaying. ExEn and J2me VM are merely JAVA-only chips which will only act/have any effect on JAVA Apps only (ie. Games), whenever those games are uploaded onto the phone, recognised, and run by the chips. for the rest of the time, those 2 chips do absolutely nothing towards how many colours a phone can display. at the same time, if a phone cannot display more than a certain number of colours due to it's inherrent limitations, the ExEn chip can improve this aspect substantially when it comes to playing GAMES as it will recognise and run a JAVA game, and produce a graphical acceleration impact on the game and on the phon'es display. The display of the phone when a game is being run, is essentially in the hands of the ExEn chip. in all other circumstances, the MAIN graphics chip of the phone resumes total control (limiting the phone to 256 colours on MYG5). and meanwhile, the standard Java J2me 1.0 chip which is on ALL current Java phones CANNOT do anything of the sort mentioned above, due to not possesing ANY Games specific API's whatsoever (only MIDP 2.0 has a Game API). i feel that is an issue you need to also understand.

and now... on the issue of the Nokia 7650 and how its got so many colours etc etc., which in your eyes, you implied automatically means that Java games MUST be better or equal in quality to ExEn games, WELL DUH!!! how wrong can a man be Schnulli??? JUST HOW WRONG!! as you and i both know, the 7650 it a far higher-level spec phone than the MYG5 is, and that is reflected in the MASSIVE price difference between the 2 handsets. in normal use (making calls etc), it is a phone capable of displaying far more colours on screen than the MYG5 in normal use (via the same standard graphics chip that i mentioned above, ie. the ARM chip)... so these are 2 inherrently different phones for 2 different market sectors, priced for 2 different wallet sizes. One is very high-spec, the other is mid-level spec at best. so this makes me wonder why you are even comparing such a high-level phone with a mid-level phone?? What you probably do not even realise is that the VM inside the 7650 is still the same old GENERIC Java J2me MIDP 1.0 VM (MINUS any specific Game API like in MIDP 2.0). rememebr that MIDP 1.0 has NO Games API whatsover!!! It is generic!! if you were to stick an ExEn chip inside a phone of such high-spec as the 7650 right now, the difference that one chip alone would make to the graphical GAMING quality of the 7650 is immense. you forget that ExEN (v2, which is inside the MYG5) is already totally superior to even the Game API of J2ME MIDP 2.0 VM (and MIDP 2.0 phones are not even on the market yet!!!!, even though the standards for it have now been decided upon), not to mention the poor quality GENERIC MIDP 1.0 VM which is inside the 7650. An ExEn chip added inside a current standard 7650 would make the graphics of the GAMES look totally UNRECOGNISABLE to what they currently look like. if you think they look "good" at the moment, you haven't really seen anything Schnulli. the MIDP 1.0 VM curently inside the 7650 cannot do even half of the things the ExEn chip is capable of. In terms of mobile gaming, The ExEn chip is 30 times more powerful than the current VM inside the 7650. ExEn is a specific 3D Game API. ie. FAR FAR better than any GENERIC pretender like the J2me VM. so listen, you are totally wrong. you quoted a phone like the 7650 which on it's own (minus any JVM's in action), is already capable of displaying such a high number of colours and you used that as your justification for believing that Java J2me games are of the same or better quality than ExEn games??? LOL please, don't be a silly Schnulli!! try quoting a phone of similar comparison to the MYG5, not one which is already superior by default, such as the 7650. what you should be doing is finding me one which has the same amount of standard colours as the MYG5 (256), and then tell me if the games on those phones which still have the MIDP 1.0 VM inside are even anywhere near as good as the superior graphical prowess of the MYG5 with ExEn v2 inside. the fact is m8: whenever you have 2 phones with the same limitations as each other, the phone with the ExEn chip inside produces FAR superior results in terms of gaming output than the phone with the GENERIC J2me MIDP 1.0 VM inside. That is just the simple and undeniable fact m8! And Do not even try to quote the t300 either because that uses Mophun which is NOT a Java J2me MIDP 1.0 VM, and does not comply with the standards of the J2ME MIDP 2.0 Game API either, and is also nowhere near as popular as Java J2me or ExEn. And ExEn still beats it for quality to top it all off. For your information m8, ExEn is 30 TIMES more powerful than any Java J2me VM, when using the same testing criteria and operating conditions. the difference in quality is embarrassing to say the least... even now, if we take a phone as high-spec as the 7650, although it may have been built by nokia to be capable of displaying more colours than the MYG5 in "normal" circumstances (the 7650 has an ARM graphics chip inside), and to be generally FAR more higher-spec in terms of features than the MYG5, when it then comes to GAMES though, it cannot even do things such as 3D, sprite zooming, sprite flipping / mirroring, scrolling parallax, transparent cells of playfield, screen rotation, ray-casting (Wolfenstein-like) and soft keys, without the aid of another similarly POWERFUL Games-specific graphics accelerator such as WGE, simply because the only thing the 7650 has to work with is the very poor quality GENERIC MIDP 1.0 VM that comes embedded inside it at the manufacturing stage! LOL. that VM is simply not built for gaming, it is a jack of all trades VM and developers have just been scraping by with it m8!! but sure enough, they have already complained loudly about how crap it is for making great games, so why do you think the Java Community Process are now bringing out MIDP 2.0 with a specific Game API included in it this time??? JPC even asked In-fusio for their help and expertise on the matter!! LOL.

Just put an ExEn (v2) chip inside a phone as high-tech as the 7650 and you'll soon see what true graphical GAMING quality is all about. It's just a pity for you, cos really you haven't even seen anything yet m8. ExEn can do ALL of those things mentioned above, and PLENTY more besides! This is the reason why you will not find a similar comparable phone as the MYG5 (in terms of same capabilities, colours, price etc) with as much quality as this when it comes to mobile game-phones.

And another thing is: You are CONSTANTLY mixing up the ExEn service (where you pay a small amount) with the Java J2me service (where you do NOT NECESSARILY pay anything AT ALL whatsoever)... whichever option someone chooses, the phone can accept BOTH kinds of games due to it's DUAL capabilities which it seems i am constantly having to remind you of over and over again.

The way you have structured your words makes it seem as though in your eyes, EVERYTIME you download ANY game onto the MYG5 you MUST pay, EVERY SINGLE TIME for a game regardless of whether it's ExEn or Java J2me? That is NOT true my friend. how many times must i explain this to you m8? The phone accepts ExEn AND Java J2me!!! NOT JUST ExEn!! Whoever wants free J2me games on the MYG5 can still get them! There are plenty of Java J2me games out there as you yourself have already pointed out, and many of them are also freely available for direct download to your phone via a WAP connection. in those circumstances, just as with any "normal" Java J2me phone, you PAY NOTHING m8! ZILCH! NADA! Do you understand this? it ain't too difficult, really!! Only if you make the decision to stick solely to ExEn games will you always pay (and yet the cost is only £1.50 per game for the first half of the game, 50p for every new level, and 10p if you want new weapons etc, THIS IS FREEDOM OF CHOICE! you can download the game and try out the levels to start off with, and once you complete them, YOU then choose if you want more or not. if so, you buy more levels, if not simple: you don't buy any more... and if you do choose to buy more levels all the way to the end of the game: the total cost of the full game is no more than any other Java game out there! that is why the ExEn system WORKS! on vodafone live meanwhile, Java J2ME games cost up to £5.00 per game IMMEDIATELY!! YOU GET NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER WHATSOEVER, IT'S £5.00 UP FRONT MATEY!! the game could be good, but the game could be absolutely AWFUL!!! But You will NEVER KNOW, until you spend your £5.00!! :( LOL! Pity for you.), and everyone is different as i keep mentioning to you, there is no one set rule that everybody must follow which is why it's good to have a choice. The MYG5 gives you that CHOICE! so hopefully you now understand because this is about the third or fourth time i am repeating myself.

oh and by the way, there is now a Snapshot review of this MYG5 phone that you seem to love to hate so much, now over at Mobile Burn:

http://mobile.burn.com/review.jsp?Id=191

http://www.threegmobile.net/itutelecomasia2002/index13.html

http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/August2002/3978.htm


HA! So now you can just admit that you do not like the phone and just leave it at that! It is a damn good phone but it simply doesn't suit YOUR own personal needs, that is all! Not every one is called Schnulli. Everyone is different. There are phones that you probably love that many others wouldn't be seen dead with. So give yourself a rest and quit harping on about it. Find something else to do in your life. There is simply NO POINT in you going ON, AND ON, AND ON, like ARISTON! You don't like it, then FINE!! end of story, No one forced you to buy! so just move on with your life now.

GOODBYE!

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• jim
• 05 Jan 2003

schnulli can u help me again?i know i have the philips fisio,but it says ive used 96% memory but how could i ,i havent used the damn thing yet,i need your info dude,to solve this problem,thanks,another thing coz the memory is full it wont let me use the recorded memo

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• Schnulli
• 05 Jan 2003

"you can upload as many as you wish". Thats not true for Java and ExEn. Perhaps you missunderstood my words. The memory of the phone has a specific size and if you download games, maybe 1, maybe 4 (depending on how many wave-files you saved as ringtones) the phone could not store more.
Other phones could backup their memory to PC and you delete some stuff to free memory (knowing you could put it to the phone back again, whenever you want, WITHOUT PAYING for it).
The G5 has no chance to backup a Game. So when your memory goes small, you delete something. Download and PAY for a new game, not knowing, if it is good. Then you test the new and you are annoyed of the new game. You must delete it and DOWNLOAD and PAY for the old (AGAIN !) or another one.

Thats a great gaming phone for the provider, not for the user !

Okay, forgive me, i have a geforce 4 ti4600 configured at 256 colours ! Because 256 colours are great !

PS: The difference of a gameboy colour and a gameboy advance is also, that one has a passive 256 colours LCD and the other has a 16 Millions TFT. Which looks better? Its not only the graphics engine. If the Gameboy advance would have had 256 colours LCD display, do you think anyone would have buyed it ?´Can't think so.

Many colours is not all, but without many colours all games look like ten year old Gameboy colour games ...

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• anthony
• 05 Jan 2003

Schnulli,

you are thinking *too much* about COLOURS my friend. let me tell you this: it is not the NUMBER of colours possible that SIGNIFICANTLY improves the output quality of a game, it is the capability of the GRAPHIC ENGINE inside the device! Because ExEn is strictly a Game API, the ExEn chip (the VM) inside the phone is essentially a FAR FAR better graphic engine than the standard GENERIC Java J2me VM that comes with ordinary Java phones. that is what it's all about my friend. It is NOT the amount of colours you should be worrying about, it is the capability of the GRAHIC ENGINE that lies deep within the Phone, or the PS2, or the PC etc etc. That is the one single thing, FAR MORE than anything else that defines what the final output quality will look like.

you talk about Gameboy Colour and Gameboy Advance.. WELL m8 this shows you do not actually understand the fundamentals... Gameboy Colour is a 8-BIT POWER machine with a colour reflective liquid crystal display (LCD), whilst Gameboy Advance is a 32-BIT POWER colour machine. you can see immediately for yourself the HUGE difference in Graphical Processing Power between the 2 machines. Basically, the 2 machines are light years apart. BUT it is not the amount of colours that has made this difference come about m8, it is the immensely more ADVANCED 32-BIT POWER of the GBA that makes the difference that you see on your screen. the Gameboy Advance is a FULL TWO Generations more advanced than the Gameboy Colour, having skipped out the 16-BIT generation in favour of Awesome 32-BIT POWER. Just as an example to help you understand this better, Sega Master System and Nintendo Entertainment Sytem (NES), two machines from the mid-late 80's were 8-BIT POWER, whilst the original Sony PlayStation (introduced here in 1995) was 32-BIT POWER, and with 3D capability... Massive difference! ExEn ALSO has 3D capabilites. What Java J2ME game can boast this m8???? NONE!

it is the capabilities of the GRAPHIC ENGINE that truly defines how much improved a game looks rather than the amount of on-screen colours. learn the basics my friend (and i do not want to sound disrespectful either because you debate well m8). but the FUNDAMENTALS are well known m8, and you are totally wrong in what you say.

you also said:

"If your G5 runs out of memory, and you must delete a game in order to download a new one, you cannot backup an old.
If the new game is not as good and you want to have an old one back, you have to pay for it EACH time !!"

that is the ExEn system you are talking about there, and ONLY the ExEN system. you have already forgotten everything else i have just finished telling you about in the last post, regarding the phone's DUAL capabilities to run BOTH ExEN games AND Java J2ME games. ExEn games are the ones that operate in the way you describe above, but Java J2me games on the other hand are managed quite differently my friend.

When you download a Java J2ME onto the MYG5, it is not saved in the same way as an ExEn game. an ExEn game is very different in that respect. you should not confuse the way the phone saves ExEn games with the way it saves Java J2me games. J2me games are saved in a shared memory space (the same place where you store other things such as poly ringtones, wallpapers, screensavers etc), you can upload as many as you wish without deleting one in order to receive the next one... that is the ExEn system where it will save one at a time, NOT the Java J2me system. you have the same complete freedom with Java J2me games as you do with other mobile entertainment products such as poly tones, wallpapers and screensavers etc.

Hopefully you will read ALL of this post properly this time, and will take time to UNDERSTAND what i have written.

Bottom line is that this phone is EXACTLY the kind of thing i have been waiting for. Regardless of what you say, i have done the research on the phone with regards to my list of requirements and it meets those requirements hands down. It will not be to EVERYONE'S taste of course, but NO PHONE IS and that is not a problem to me. Everyone is different, and everyone needs different things from their phones. For just £129 on PAYG, if you are into REAL next level Video Gaming on your mobile phone, you will NOT find a better phone ANYWHERE on the market, i guarantee you. and when you do, please let me know! as i said, people will buy for their own personal wants and needs, and all i will do is highlight what the phone is good for and what it isn't so good for (ie. i will provide accurate information) so that people can make up their OWN minds as to whether or not it suits their needs. i am not here to try and CONVINCE people that it's a good or bad phone, just that imo if Gaming and Personalization is high on your agenda, then pound for pound this is easily the best phone there is out there. This is a FUN phone, never forget that m8 (ie, if you like to have fun in most ways possible on a mobile phone, IN PARTICULAR GAMING then this is the phone for you). the cross-key control pad in the centre of the phone is not designed like that for nothing. the phone is clearly defined as such in one of the earlier links i provided to you but which you just dismissed out of hand as only "nice pictures"... READ what the words in that link actually say m8. if you want the best quality and choice of mobile phone games, simply look no further. this phone is perfect for me, so thank you very much. I have enjoyed the debate m8, and time is of the essence for me at the moment, so i will end it there for now.

Cheers to you m8. ;)

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• jim
• 05 Jan 2003

ur all gonna laugh but ive gone for the philips fisio 825,if anyone can give me info id be greatful

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• Schnulli
• 04 Jan 2003

Hello Anthony,
you write brilliant technical articles. But the phone ...?
You prefer ExEn Games because of the Quality ? I've seen Java Games on a Nokia 7650. I doubt, that the Quality of ExEn Games on phones with 256 colours are better than java on phones with 4096 or 65000 colours.
Look at a Gameboy colour and a Gameboy advanced. Both have a coloured display, but ...

My conclusion: Java is for professional phones. You can download games and applications over cable from your PC. You can buy CDs with a lot of games and apps. When you have not enough phone memory, it is no problem to delete one. You can transfer them again and again.
If your G5 runs out of memory, and you must delete a game in order to download a new one, you cannot backup an old.
If the new game is not as good and you want to have an old one back, you have to pay for it EACH time !!

Wouldn't it be cheaper, to spend some Euros or Pounds in a better phone. You can save them later with no problems.

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• anthony
• 04 Jan 2003

Hello Schnulli,

ExEn games you download over the service provider's (in this case orange uk) Games portal. you connect to orange games by pressing and holding the 9 key on the handset. to the best of my knowledge, the orange games portal infrastracture is supplied by In-fusio, which as you probably know is the company behind the ExEn technology. remember that ExEn is already BASED on JAVA itself, but is simply a GAME API (meaning the ExEn chip inside the phone is built specifically for games), and that this same ExEn chip is also fully compatible with the Java J2me GAME API. this means it will recognise and run "real" Java games too m8.

standard Java games i presume would be downloaded over a WAP connection where you would download the jar and jad files that make up a java game directly onto your handset's memory space (over 400kb available on the MYG5 phone), and the game can then be played due to the ExEn chip being able to "recognise and run" these files because of full compliance with the standards set out in the Java J2ME MIDP 2.0 GAME API, as i mentioned earlier.

the software that you refer to is helpful if the game cannot be downloaded via WAP, and must first be downloaded to your PC and then uploaded to your phone. you are right, there is no specific software for that purpose yet (as far as i am aware), but as i mentioned the download to PC >> upload to phone method is not the only way to get "real" Java games m8. i do not know if sagem plan to bring out a software for the the other method, but really m8 i bought the phone to play ExEn games such as Crash Bandicoot, Kung-Fu Legend and Mission 3D, games which have superior graphics and sound than "real" Java games due to the fact that ExEn is a technology built SPECIFICALLY for gaming. it's rather like the difference between playing games on a PC which is designed to run many different apllications (not specialised), and a PlayStation2 which is designed SPECIFICALLY to play games. normal Jva phones have a genberic chip inside them (a jack of all trades Java J2me MIDP VM), whilst the MYG5 has the Gaming specific ExEn v2 chip which is specifically ENHANCED to substantially improve the levels and capabilities of mobile phone games. the difference is immediately noticeable although for not all genres. where this varies being that the difference in quality between a PC game and a PlayStation2 game is not as noticeable as the difference between a normal Java phone's games and an ExEn phone's games. this is becasue with a PC, you can constantly uprage vital cogs such as graphics crads etc. with a normal Java phone you are stuck with the VM that comes inside the phone at the manufacturing stage (ie. INFERIOR for GAMING, but can run many different apps.) the bottom line is ExEn phones are superior for GAMES, that is the botom line. there will be more "normal" Java games available like the "masses" of free ones you mention, but m8 i prefer (lots of quality + good level of quantity) over (massive quantity + perhaps only some quality). and i know that if ever i want the massive quantity apporoach it is still freely available to me whenever i want it, but i will not go that route in any case because whenever i want to get a standard java game, it will be from the likes of Sega, Namco, THQ etc, companies who produce truly quality games. as you may have now noticed, i am interested in a higher level of mobile gaming than what you might have had in mind with the "masses" of games that you referred to. when i want Java games, i will get them from the pro's, albeit even if it is at a small cost. which is why i keep going on about how people will buy for their own specific wants and needs.

ExEn games are initially cheaper than standard Java games, but the cost evens itself out due to the fact that in ExEn games, you continue to spend minor amounts via sms transactions in-built into games, such as 10p towards purchasing things like extra levels, extra weapons etc as you advance in the game.

it's all the same to me m8, only difference being that i know that i have the choice of either option whenever i want it.

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• Schnulli
• 03 Jan 2003

Hello Anthony,
you wrote the JAVA-capabilities of the G5 only includes Games. How do you get JAVA-Games ? I guess you have to pay for it, right, downloading them in the same way as ExEn-Games ?
For other phones with real JAVA-support you can donload masses of free Games and applications and transfer it local to the phone.
But sagem has no software to transfer java games/apps to the phone, right ?

Therefore you have to pay each time, you want to play new games or even get more levels of a game.

Poor sagem ...

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• Anonymous
• 03 Jan 2003

This is a complete resource for Jim and anyone else who may be interested in getting wallpapers and making your OWN ringtones for the Sagem MYG5:

if you want wallpapers for the myG5 all you have to do is go to www.esato.com where they have ericsson t68 colour wallpapers which work PERFECTLY on the MYG5. you can first go to the site and see which wallpapers you like first, and when you see what you like just go to their wap site from your MYG5's WAP Service and connect to wap.esato.com
When you are there it's quite easy to dowload and save any wallpaper into your phone's memory.

And for ringtones, it's very easy to make your own rigtones m8. in both MID (midi) and WAV (wave) file formats. Polyphonic Ringtones are the ones which come as MIDI FILES. Music ringtones come as WAV FILES.

To start making your own tones, follow this guide below:

FOR MIDI FILES, all you do is go to a site which has free midi files like:

http://www.mididb.com/

http://www.ifni.com/top100/

(You can also search Google for other free midi file websites if you still can't find what you want.)

Anyway once you find what you want, you then download the Midi file to your PC by right clicking on the file and choosing the "Save Target As" option and then just choose what folder to save it in.

So now you have your Midi file on your PC and you have downloaded/saved it onto your computer, you then get another free piece of software called PSMPLAY which is for Editing the Midi file to your own personal taste and satisfaction (ie. YOU choose what section of the jingle that you want to use as your ringtone!), and you then basically shorten the file so that it will fit within the guidelines set out for acceptable midi files that can be uploaded onto the phone (you can see what the guidelines for uploading all kinds of files onto your phone are by clicking the help tab on the free Sagem uploader software "Sagem My Pictures and Sounds" which is free from the Sagem website, the link for that is at the bottom of this post)

for PSMPLAY (the Midi file editor) go to this page:
http://ray1.net/mmf/tools.asp

(and it is the file under the TOOLS section called PSMP3 - DOWNLOAD THIS FIRST.ZIP)

for the Sagem My Pictures And Sounds software, go to this page:
http://www.sagem.com/en/produits-en/telephonie-mobile-en/gsm-myx5-en.htm

(At the bottom of the page you will find it. use it for uploading ringtones/wallpapers etc onto your phone once they have been properly edited according to the guidelines given in the Sagem software's help section.)

FOR WAV FILES:
Again just get some wav files, for example there are some good ones here:

http://www.callnetuk.com/home/russlemm/Tv%20tunes.html

If the files are too large or not in the right format, just use another free program called COOLEDIT to edit them into the right format and size, once again according to the guidelines set out in the Sagem software's SIMPLE help section.

OR you can just create your own WAV files, also with CoolEdit: for example if you have mp3 files already on your PC, you can use CoolEdit to open these files and convert them into wav files and use your favourite part of the mp3 song as the ringtone, all done with CoolEdit. then you just save the finished wav file in the correct format given in the help section of the Sagem software, and it will be ready to upload onto your phone.

Get CoolEdit '96 for free here:
http://www.threechords.com/hammerhead/cool_edit_96.shtml

(Download it at the bottom of the page)

it's very simple to use and when you have created and edited your wav file, just save it somewhere on you PC (perhaps in a new folder especially created for your personalized ringtones/wallpapers etc), and then simply use the Sagem My Pictures And Sounds software to upload it to your phone. That's all guys. Really it's not so difficult m8, you just have to be willing to want to create your own tones, which in the end usually turn out to be much better than some of the stuff you can download from a lot of these free ringtones websites out there.

SO TO RECAP:

FOR WALLPAPERS: www.esato.com AND wap.esato.com (from your phone's WAP service)

MIDI FILES (for creating Polyphonic Ringtones): http://www.mididb.com/

MIDI FILE EDITING TOOL (PsmPlay): http://ray1.net/mmf/tools.asp

WAV FILES (for creating music ringtones): http://www.callnetuk.com/home/russlemm/Tv%20tunes.html

WAV FILE EDITOR (CoolEdit): http://www.threechords.com/hammerhead/cool_edit_96.shtml

SAGEM SOFTWARE (to upload the finished version edited files onto your phone): http://www.sagem.com/en/produits-en/telephonie-mobile-en/gsm-myx5-en.htm

Well, that's it... I hope that helps you. You've got more than enough info there i think to start making your own Polyphonic Ringtones and Music ringtones, and to start getting some wallpapers too.

Cheers ;)

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• anthony
• 03 Jan 2003

Hello Schnulli, you wrote:

"One example for understanding:
If you look at the specs on this site, it says the G5 is capable of JAVA. Really ?? Has anybody a G5 with JAVA ? orange.co.uk, who sell it, says it has not."

No.1... The people at orange uk are useless. for jim: orange uk is NOT the same company as sagem uk. orange is only the service provider, sagem is the handset manufacturer. orange customer service in the uk is well known for being clueless on many technical issues such as this. but that point apart, orange is generally an excellent service provider, but they honestly need to sort out their customer service. this is well known to a lot of orange customers, and it's something they need to start bucking up their ideas in.

Schnulli: as for the JAVA issue, yes you are right that java is merely the programming language that all sorts of different applicationbs are written in (not just games alone). BUT where the confusiuon comes is when sites describe the phone as having JAVA outright. the myG5 does not have complete JAVA capability, BUT what it does have is it allows you to play both ExEN games from the In-fusio service (on "orange games"), AND Java J2me games....

you see the thing is, the ExEn chip is actually capable of runnig both ExEn games AND "normal" JAVA J2me applications due to the fact that the ExEn chip (version 2) inside the myG5 is fully compliant with the standards set out in the Java J2ME MIDP 2.0 game API (Application programming Interface).

Read this page:
http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Sept2002/4073.htm

it says, and i Quote:
"The ExEn technology which will be fully J2ME MIDP 2.0 game API compliant, has been designed for games containing animated graphics, sound, 3D and colour."

The Game API is the part of the J2ME MIDP 2.0 VM (virtual machine) that is used for running the games. it says ExEn is fully compatible with this Game API.

the Game API is the part that you need to worry about here when you are talking about Java J2me games. since the ExEn (v2) chip is fully compliant with this Game API, this means that it will recognise and run any J2me game written in Java J2me. when a game is written in Java J2me, developers will use the standards set out in this J2ME MIDP 2.0 Game API because that is the standard set out for making Java Games. remember that ExEn is BASED on Java J2me, but in-fusio (the makers of ExEn) simply added their own extras on top to make it more advanced (for making games) and then called it ExEn. They did this because the Java J2me MIDP version 1.0 at that time did not have a specific Game API, and was initially designed for making all kinds of generic Applications... ie it was not really good enough for making really great looking/sounding games. now J2ME MIDP 2.0 has a Game API which is specifically meant for making games and which allows programmers to get far more out of the technology which makes a great improvement, and ExEn is fully compliant with the standards set out in this Game API.

but ExEn (is a Game API itself) which is why the ExEn chip will not run other applications since it is not compliant with other API's of the MIDP 2.0 standard. it is only fully compliant with the Game API of the J2ME MIDP 2.0 standard. as such it will only run either ExEn games (created using ExEn Game API) or Java J2me games (which would have been created using the J2ME MIDP 2.0 Game API). either way, the ExEn chip will recognise and run both types of games.

i hope this makes it clearer. it seems that ExEn phones can also run Java J2me games, but NOT "other" J2me applications... only J2me Games. but the only problem is that on top of all this, some developers also make games that work best on only certain handsets (usually the most popular Java handsets like certain nokia, siemens, motorola, or sharp handsets). This means that the Java J2me game in question might not work well on your phone if it the game was optimized at creation to work best on one specific handset.

http://www.in-fusio.com/fond_information/getpdf.php?r=57

now also read this (from the Java Community Process, which sets out the standards for Java), you will have a MUCH clearer understanding.

Read it very carefully:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:_jIkSlSi7GUC:www.jcp.org/jsr/detail/178.jsp+Game+API+in-fusio+java+community+process&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

The bottom line is that the myG5 DOES have JAVA capability, but only for GAMES and not for other applications. which is exactly what i have been trying to tell you, tht this phone was built specifically for MOBILE GAMING. there are extras thrown in too, so people will buy to their own particular wants and needs.

Thanks.

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• RuDy
• 03 Jan 2003

thats nbot new though and 8310 is going to get old because more and more phones are going colour

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• jim
• 03 Jan 2003

for £129.99

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• jim
• 03 Jan 2003

if ur in the uk rudy i know were u can get an 8310 reconditioned and thats value

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• RuDy
• 03 Jan 2003

i doubt that you will find a better colour phone for 130 than the sagem myg5(by the way it is better than the myx5)
but good luck in trying. if you do find one tell everyone what it is because i certainly would buy it if it was only 130 and better than the sagem myg5

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• jim
• 03 Jan 2003

well my sagems gone to the link shop in the sky lol.if anyone can give me some info on mobiles,that are on pay as you go,and colour for around £130

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• Schnulli
• 03 Jan 2003

Java is not only game . There are many applications and tools written in Java, which you can downlaod from variious sites (freeware!) AND TRANSFER IT from your PC to the phone.
I doubt Sagem can build such a handy :-)))

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• jim
• 02 Jan 2003

is the my-x5 better than the myg5?

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• jim
• 02 Jan 2003

rudy are they polyphonic ringtones as well?

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• RuDy
• 02 Jan 2003

yo jim have you ever thought of making your own ringtones theres a really good program to do this go to www.goldwave.com and download it and from then you will find it easy to make ringtones

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