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Anonymous, 02 Jan 2024With phones, the supply drives the demand, not the other wa... moreThat is true as well but saying that they don't care is maybe not entirely true as you still need people to buy your phones. The dark side of marketing is something we don't understand as consumer but indeed we are confronted by choices made by such marketeers weather we like it or not. The whole chipset thing might also be a bit exaggerated in terms of real user experience, not only speaking of benchmarks. Not everyone is hooked on such data, only people who want the most performance for the buck. The majority will buy such things emotionally or driven by social pressure (wanting to belong like Apple is master at this game). But again it's not really the point when it comes to compact phones, especially not if we would want to see them in the budget or lower midrange segment. The facts are still holding that the few compact (or at least semi compact ones) don't sell enough to standardize development and productions of components that would allow a bigger offering regardless of other dark marketing reasons behind it. The trend is still "bigger is better" and that is the major driver to not do otherwise as all are into making profit, not about caring of certain niches who would like to see things becoming more compact or other things like people wanting to see physical keyboards again like the BlackBerry's of yesteryear. We live in a society that is focused on selling, not caring. If you don't like what is offered, don't buy it. And if you don't find something that suits you, though luck, that's how it works

    Anonymous, 02 Jan 2024It still makes no sense that Japan would be the ONLY countr... moreWell indeed, nothing makes sense in the whole case of compact phones. That's the dark side of marketing. As I mentioned already several times in different reactions, it isn't because there isn't enough potential for such phones but the reality is that if one comes out with a true compact phone it doesn't sell and that is a fact. So why would one continue to make a phone that is potentially more expensive to make with no guarantee of profitable sales? Don't get me wrong, I am one of the many people who would love to see more, and most of all, affordable true compact phones (meaning anything with a screen estate of 6.1 or lower as anything above isn't really compact).

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      • Anonymous
      • rip
      • 05 Jan 2024

      Anonymous, 04 Jan 2024It's high time to dispel the myth that phone manufactu... moreSpot on!
      Here are two more examples of Samsung forcing decisions on consumers, instead of responding to what customers want:

      4) The Note series being stopped. The howls of its many fans didn't faze Samsung.
      5) The headphone 3.5mm jacks removal on higher-end phones. Samsung just decided that people don't want it, only lower-end customers do. Did they take global surveys to find out if that's the case? I seriously doubt it.

      So once again, Samsung not making compact budget phones says absolutely nothing about whether customers want them (which many do).
      If anyone else has more examples, here's the place to add them.

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        • Anonymous
        • 8sc
        • 04 Jan 2024

        atichko, 02 Jan 2024The dynamics of a phone maker is seldom a case of stupidity... moreIt's high time to dispel the myth that phone manufacturers produce what consumers want and the premise that an item not in supply is proof that consumers don’t want it. This notion is utter fiction.

        Let's use Samsung as an example:

        1) Samsung knows that almost all of its customers prefer Snapdragon over Exynos. Yet, S-series phones in many regions are Exynos for years (S23 was an exception), as the S24 base and plus models will be in 2024. People buy it because they have NO CHOICE, but they clearly DON’T WANT it. The same goes for many Exynos A-series phones where an equivalent Snapdragon (or at least Dimensity) chip would be preferred, but isn't provided.

        2) Multiple comments on this website claim that most consumers prioritize bigger batteries over smaller and lighter phones which would necessitate smaller batteries. Now, if that’s the case, why are Samsung’s M/F series phones with 6000mAh batteries not available in many regions to budget customers? If most people want it, you’d think Samsung would make them available. But in many countries, 5000mAh battery phones is the biggest there is.

        3) Many customers who can’t afford a $800 phone prefer a smaller and lighter device with the dimensions of the S23/S22. The fact that they mostly end up buying bigger budget devices is because smaller ones DON’T EXIST. But if they did, that’s what they’d get.

        So, does phone demand drive supply, as many claim?
        No! Consumers just respond to whatever is available because they have no other choice!

        I hope this myth has been put to rest once and for all.

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          • Anonymous
          • yJt
          • 03 Jan 2024

          Anonymous, 02 Jan 2024It's not Samsung's decision. Its' japanese o... moreThat's like saying Verizon can only service phones that are color blue or green, to meet their "needs".

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            • Anonymous
            • ps8
            • 03 Jan 2024

            Anonymous, 03 Jan 2024So since you're such a genius, kindly explain how Sams... moreIn reality, it's customers that want smaller phones, not cellphone towers or LTE/5G waves.

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              • Anonymous
              • ps8
              • 03 Jan 2024

              Anonymous, 03 Jan 2024Its simply that you are so stupid to not know this thing happensSo since you're such a genius, kindly explain how Samsung also sells the bigger A54 and S23 Ultra in Japan as well. In light of the fact that you claim their cell towers only "like" small devices and have a phobia of big ones.

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                • Anonymous
                • ps8
                • 03 Jan 2024

                Anonymous, 03 Jan 2024So you are not old enough to live when every bit of every p... moreSo we're to believe that a MNO has a "need" for devices getting service from them to be a certain size. Somehow Japan's LTE or 5G waves don't "like" certain size phones? How stupid is that??

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                  • Anonymous
                  • 7vq
                  • 03 Jan 2024

                  Anonymous, 02 Jan 2024What? Samsung creates phones based on what operators want?... moreIts simply that you are so stupid to not know this thing happens

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                    • Anonymous
                    • 7vq
                    • 03 Jan 2024

                    Anonymous, 02 Jan 2024What? Samsung creates phones based on what operators want?... moreSo you are not old enough to live when every bit of every phones are made specifically to fit operators’ needs. Nowadays, there are less customization, but some phones are still made specifically to fit some operators’ need.

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                      • Anonymous
                      • pku
                      • 02 Jan 2024

                      Anonymous, 02 Jan 2024It's not Samsung's decision. Its' japanese o... moreWhat?
                      Samsung creates phones based on what operators want? Who ever heard of such utter nonesense?

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                        • Anonymous
                        • ps8
                        • 02 Jan 2024

                        atichko, 02 Jan 2024The dynamics of a phone maker is seldom a case of stupidity... moreWith phones, the supply drives the demand, not the other way around. So if S23-size midrange phones aren't made anymore, it will look like there's no demand for it. But that's just because consumers have no choice other than to buy what exists. But you can't decide what people really WANT based on that.

                        One of the many examples that proves my point: If demand actually drove supply, Samsung would stop making S phones with Exynos chips for some markets, because everyone knows that Snapdragon is preferred by everyone. So why don’t they? Because they know that people will have no choice but to buy the Exynos S22 or S24 if that’s the only variant available in their region in any given year.

                        They see how happy everyone is with the Snapdragon S23 and will nonetheless revert to the Exynos S24 (for the base and plus models).

                        So just because Samsung sold Exynos S22 phones in many places (and will do it again with the S24) means people like it? Hell no! They don’t care what people want!

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                          • Anonymous
                          • ps8
                          • 02 Jan 2024

                          atichko, 02 Jan 2024First of all, Japan is not the world. It's a very spec... moreIt still makes no sense that Japan would be the ONLY country in the world were people would want a compact midrange phones. It makes no sense, and it's impossible.

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                            • Anonymous
                            • ps8
                            • 02 Jan 2024

                            atichko, 02 Jan 2024I think you need to check the sales figures again on a glob... moreActually when it comes to phones, the supply drives the demand, not the other way around. So if S23-size midrange phones aren't made anymore, it will look like there's no demand for it. But that's just because people have no choice other than to buy what exists. But you can't decide what people really WANT based on that.

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                              • 02 Jan 2024

                              Hello

                              Is there any UK release date as I know the A25 is already released in the UK.

                                Not a surprise, 01 Jan 2024Don't be so surprised. While a modified version of ... moreThe dynamics of a phone maker is seldom a case of stupidity. Your claim is maybe based on the fact that you aren't fond of the brand. And, maybe, if you would try to look at it how they do you would use other words. It looks as stupidity but every phone maker that has the necessary financial means will "experiment" now and then, aimed and selected parts in the world, just to check if a thing can work or not. It also tries to see what habits certain markets have in terms of features used by the local population resulting in one the many ways of working of Samsung (and others, especially Chinese brands) that many people cannot understand. It's sometimes hard to understand why certain phones and/or features are not available in the place where you live or why some models are cancelled while it's your favourite. All phone makers are into making money, a lot of money. So the focus will also be on those models and features that sell the most with some differentiation depending on regions/continents/local habits. This leaves people with different tastes in the cold and it's not nice but that the world we live in. Oppo, Oneplus, Xiaomi...all the current dominant brands do the same. Only a few almost never do not such as Apple and Sony. They mostly stick to same port folio of devices.

                                  Anonymous, 31 Dec 2023So they made a small version of the A23 5G just for Japan b... moreFirst of all, Japan is not the world. It's a very specific market with specific demands when it comes to telephony. Just look at their history in that matter. Japan is also one the very few markets where they launched a clamshell Android smartphone with real buttons but those where premium ones. And yes, for the rest they also have the same big slabs as anywhere else as it is dictated by trends. The phone you refer to is indeed a compact phone and a budget one as well. I tried to lookup sales figures about that one but don't seem to find any. There isn't any rumor about a successor either. So I stay with the claim that such phones won't come any time soon, certainly not in the lower segments unless the trend of big is better would suddenly change to more usable sizes in terms of handling. Only here and there there might be a compact one as an attempt to see if the market is ready for that but it won't be cheap most probably.

                                    Anonymous, 31 Dec 2023This is not accurate. The S23 sells better than the S23 Pl... moreI think you need to check the sales figures again on a global scale... But anyway it's not really the discussion. The main point of the post was to share an explanation done by a reviewer regarding compact phones and why there aren't that many. In short, it makes sense, the cost of making one versus the potential sales in a world where big is better in terms of screen estate makes it less likely that an abundant amount of compact devices will come any time soon, certainly not in the budget and lower midrange segments.

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                                      • Anonymous
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                                      • 02 Jan 2024

                                      Anonymous, 31 Dec 2023So they made a small version of the A23 5G just for Japan b... moreIt's not Samsung's decision. Its' japanese operators' (Au, Docomo) decision that they want to sell small phones. The android market there is heavily control by operators, not phone makers.

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                                        • na1
                                        • 01 Jan 2024

                                        Anonymous, 31 Dec 2023Samsung went through the process of creating a modified com... moreDon't be so surprised.

                                        While a modified version of the A23 5G for just one country may be one of the more extreme instances of Samsung's stupidity, many of their phones are only available in limited locations and/or select countries.

                                        So this is a pattern with those imbeciles.