Samsung Galaxy S23
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- Anonymous
- y2e
- 11 Jan 2024
Anyone know if the S23 supports NSA to SA handover or redirections?
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- Need small phone
- AAX
- 11 Jan 2024
Hey, quick question. I can't afford the price of an S23, but I would very much like a phone that's a similar size. Are there any available from Samsung? It's time to move on from my A10e to something newer. (I see a lot of long comments below which may or may not address this, but I can't read through them.)
Thank you.
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- Anonymous
- uSV
- 11 Jan 2024
There are still people who doesn't understand that each of us have different preferences, so please stop using ALL, EVERYONE and NO ONE to try and make an illusion that your statements are true and invalidate other people's opinion and preferences. Your preference is not everyone's preference. If the manufacturer releases a product an it sells, then it only means they have a market share. The manufacturers have the sales data, we don't. People's preferences change and it will show on their sales data. Maybe your preference will be the majority's preferences in the future, or maybe not.
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- Pitchwisse
- iaP
- 11 Jan 2024
Anonymous, 11 Jan 2024If small phones are supposedly so hard for manufacturers to... moreThe cost of materials is cheaper, but the building process is more complicated due to space constrictions for the components.
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- Anonymous
- CS@
- 11 Jan 2024
AZR, 10 Jan 20241) Then please name that "other" preferences you ... moreTo all those going on and on about "bigger is better" and "larger displays and batteries over everything", take a look at these examples (among others).
- A54: 6.4 display, 5000mAh battery, available (almost) everywhere
- M54: 6.7 display, 6000mAh battery, not available in most places
- A14: 6.6 display, 5000mAh battery, available (almost) everywhere
- F/M14: 6.6 display, 6000mAh battery, not available in most places
- M51/M62/F62: 6.7 display, 7000mAh battery, not available in most places, such phones not produced since 2021
Does anything more need to be said?
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- Anonymous
- SYq
- 11 Jan 2024
AZR, 10 Jan 20241) Then please name that "other" preferences you ... moreIf small phones are supposedly so hard for manufacturers to make as people here claim, why is the smaller S phone $200 CHEAPER than the bigger "Plus" version?
Obviously, a smaller phone with a smaller display and battery is CHEAPER than a similar phone that has a bigger display and battery. The same would apply to a device with a midrange or low-end chipset.
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- Anonymous
- ps8
- 11 Jan 2024
AZR, 10 Jan 20241) Then please name that "other" preferences you ... moreSince you failed to see the half dozen or so comments below from various people that specify what those "preferences" are, here they are again:
- A phone that does not fatigue ones hands
- A phone that fits into ones pocket
- A phone that can easily be used with one hand
These are the same things that many base S23/S22 owners value as well. That might not be "value" to you, but it is to tens of millions (or more) of others.
As for your question about what chip to put in it, I'm not sure why that's so complicated. A smaller "A15e" would have the same chip as the regular A15 (whether 4G or 5G), a smaller "A55e" would have the same chip as the regular A55, and so on. These things have been done before by Samsung years ago already.
And I have no idea why you'd have to "think carefully" about what to do with such a device. Again, the smaller version would match the bigger version's specs, except for the size of the device, display, and battery. No performance is being "sacrificed". It's quite simple actually.
As for your claim that most people want bigger batteries, Samsung clearly doesn't think so. If they did, they'd use 6000mAh batteries in EVERY country, not just select markets.
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- Anonymous
- GXs
- 10 Jan 2024
SweeetY, 09 Jan 2024You are wrong...people buying budget phones want them big, ... moreNot always is quote-on-quote "more" of something a good thing. You wouldn't want your car to be the length of a bus just because it's "more". And many people don't want their phone to be the size of a almost-tablet.
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- Leo
- EU0
- 10 Jan 2024
Earlier Samsung used to give 560+ ppi in their phones , i'd used s9+ in the past, and came from lg g7+thinq to s23 and s23 ultra,i could notice the crispness difference, if anyone spends this much on s23 which is the compact flagship, why not uhd display, in my opinion its a downgrade from earlier phones, also i had to sell s23 and s23 ultra due to its less pwm, i faced so much of flickering issue
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- Anonymous
- yJt
- 10 Jan 2024
Anonymous, 09 Jan 2024You don't speak for everyone. Just because you don... moreActually, s/he speaks for many people (myself included) who want smaller phones.
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- AZR
- sEx
- 10 Jan 2024
Anonymous, 09 Jan 20241) There is a market for bigger phones (for the reasons you... more1) Then please name that "other" preferences you claimed. I have given mine, so now its your turn. Even then, I doubt those demographic is far larger than what I described. I doubt there are many people who want to sacrifice performance just so they can hold their phone better, especially if they have limited budget and very conscious about getting the bang of their buck.
2) Again, you completely missing the point I made. Contrary to your belief, smaller phones doesn't necessarily mean better value. "Value" can be perceived differently between person. Some will value bigger phones with its big screen and big battery (which happens to be the majority of people, as I described in various demographic on my last post), some will value the opposite. And I never said companies "should stuff everything to a smaller device". What I mean is on higher-end devices, the performance difference will be smaller. Case in point, most flagships comes with the latest Snapdragon 8 series. Meaning they are all powerful phone the same. There also people who bought flagship level phones just to brag (as a social status, because they have the money), not necessarily because they understand what they're buying into. So, to "differentiate" (read: establish identity), companies then starts to mess around with the aesthetics (read: gimmick), because they can afford to waste R&D money (and people will buy it regardless, again, because consumer at this level have the money). Folding phones, flip phones, or smaller sized phones.
3) Those "leeway" I talked about in point number 2 doesn't apply on lower priced devices. Obviously there's going to be some cuts made here and there to drive price down. There's lot more performance difference that people can get in this segment. For example, some companies will stuff high level chip at the cost of things like software (Poco is a good example for this). Others might be completely the opposite, low level chipset but with good software (remember Samsung A53?). If you made a S23 sized phone (or smaller) in this segment, you have to think carefully about how you want to do it. Do you go with lower level chip + worse quality screen to extend battery life? Or the opposite? It's even harder to decide the lower price point you go. Perhaps there are people who really want it, but at this price segment, that amount is so small that it's just not economically worth it to justify catering to those people (hence, practically "no market" for it). Which bring us back to your first point, I'd like you to state which demographic that prioritize smaller form factor above anything else. Because if a small phone is what you need, feature phones still exist you know. Nowadays they can even do everyday tasks, like social media surfing, watching Youtube, and more.
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- Anonymous
- yJt
- 10 Jan 2024
Anonymous, 09 Jan 2024You don't speak for everyone. Just because you don... more"If their product sells, it means their product is ok" you say. Wow.
It's like you didn't read even one of the comments below debunking this myth and explaining how consumers respond to manufacturers producing stuff. Educate yourself, buddy.
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- Anonymous
- yJt
- 10 Jan 2024
SweeetY, 09 Jan 2024You are wrong...people buying budget phones want them big, ... more"more phone for less money" you say. That's probably why your phone is the size of a refrigerator...
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- Anonymous
- GXs
- 09 Jan 2024
AZR, 09 Jan 2024Let me give you a few points on why "budget small phon... moreYou know, it's so interesting to read the comments here.
People drone on and on about bigger displays and batteries and that no one wants compact budget phones. Then you ask them why Samsung’s 6000mAh phones aren’t available in many or most countries if that’s the batteries that everyone supposedly is clamoring for.
Suddenly, silence and cricket sounds… The genius preachers became mute.
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- Anonymous
- 64i
- 09 Jan 2024
AZR, 09 Jan 2024Let me give you a few points on why "budget small phon... more1) There is a market for bigger phones (for the reasons you mentioned), and that's what you're aware of. There's also a demand for smaller phones by consumers with OTHER preferences, but you're just not aware of it so you decided it doesn't exist.
2) There's no need to "stuff" anything onto smaller devices. Everyone understands that a smaller device means a smaller battery and display. But some value a pocket-fitting device that doesn't tire their hands over some of the stuff you mentioned above. And yes, many of these people can't afford astronomically priced S phones, and they deserve a compact device with a midrange chip. Again, you may not know they exist, but that means nothing.
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- Anonymous
- GXs
- 09 Jan 2024
Anonymous, 09 Jan 2024You don't speak for everyone. Just because you don... moreThe only thing he said "No one" about is the Exynos chips. You don't agree? I guess you're the only one in the world that likes interior chipsets in your phone.
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- Anonymous
- GXs
- 09 Jan 2024
SweeetY, 09 Jan 2024You are wrong...people buying budget phones want them big, ... more"More phone for less money" - how genius.
So you'd probably love a 5 foot long phone because it's "more phone".
But many others actually like phones that fit into their pockets and don't fatigue their hands. You may not be aware of this, considering you don't mingle with too many other people to know that there are different preferences out there.
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- AZR
- sEx
- 09 Jan 2024
Let me give you a few points on why "budget small phones" doesn't work in current market:
a) Big phone means big battery, and most importantly, big screen. The demographic on this segment is very large. You'll have 8 year olds (who will spend their time playing games), Uber drivers (who need good navigation device), all the way to old people (who only uses it for messaging and/or sometimes Youtube/social media). Larger screen will fulfill all those requirement better than smaller screen. Playing games is better on large screen (that's why there's no small "gaming phone"). Reading maps is also better on larger screen. And lastly, larger fonts can be displayed more conveniently on larger screen (without scrolling too much), useful for people who have eyesight problems. The spacing on the on-screen keyboard will be better on larger screen, to facilitate larger fingers as well. and many more.
b) What about midrangers? I would argue that the first point still stands, but not as important. Here, most people usually will be more concerned with the increase of performance over the budget offerings. For example, faster chips for playing games, brighter, smoother, and more color vibrant/accurate screen for reading/watching, better haptic feedback when typing, etc. Aesthetic may be started to be considered, but more often than not, performance jump will still be more important than aesthetics.
c) The point is, with lower price range, more often than not, people will care more about performance than aesthetic. That's just a hard fact. It's only the expensive products where you can stuff only so many latest tech before its just become "yet another high-end phone". So, to "differentiate" (and in the name of innovation), companies start to mess with the aesthetic (read: gimmick) as well. For example, folding phones.
d) Companies understands all that, that's why we don't see anyone making smaller phones other than flagship or close to flagship level phones. There's simply no market for it, despite many people wanted to think otherwise.
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- Anonymous
- gxm
- 09 Jan 2024
Anonymous, 07 Jan 2024Or maybe it failed because many Motorola phones fail. Or ma... moreYou don't understand. Neo is the only compact phone in it's budget. Compact phone lovers would have got the only choice with it. But there are very few and hence Neo failed.
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- SweeetY
- AQe
- 09 Jan 2024
Anonymous, 07 Jan 2024For everyone’s benefit, let’s concisely summarize some poin... moreYou are wrong...people buying budget phones want them big, because they think they get a better deal... more phone for less money...simple as that. That is why phones manufacturers won't make small cheap phones, there are no buyers for that.