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JimmyTheGreatest, 23 Aug 2022Maybe you should wait for Poco F5.Maybe I should. But that advice doesn't help with someone who's looking to buy one in the next few days.

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    • 23 Aug 2022

    Gino76ph, 22 Aug 2022The Pixel 6a seems good value but i still think the UI is v... moreWell even Moto is not known for timely updates. With your requirements, A52s or A53 seems like the best option (at least Samsung clearly states update policies for each phone - monthly, quarterly etc). Nothing is not even gonna bother with OS update till next year (so much for the hype). If you have enough money, go with Samsung 21FE or Iphone 12. These can pretty much satisfy all your expectations.

      Gino76ph, 22 Aug 2022The Pixel 6a seems good value but i still think the UI is v... moreMaybe you should wait for Poco F5.

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        • 23 Aug 2022

        Where is the f4 pro?

          Anonymous, 22 Aug 2022Seems like for you, camera is the most important component.... moreThe Pixel 6a seems good value but i still think the UI is very basic compared to One UI, Oxygen OS or MIUI. the screen is small for my needs. The Pixel 6 however is a good size but let down by battery life. Same with the Pro model.
          Nothing phone is a distant second choice than Poco F4 simply coz of bugs and seemingly hardware issues based on quality control. I do commend their proactive quickness in pushing updates to fix those bugs tho.
          Poco F4 for me is a 70% upgrade over the F3. But let down by Poco's negligence and lack of understanding in pushing much needed updates especially the cameras but that can be partially solved via GCam or Leica Cam tho i've heard the latter is either not anymore available or it is a very buggy app.
          Samsung may be a good middle ground of great cameras after a Pixel but One UI's lag is a big turn off. Yes I am aware i can just install third-party launchers to make the phone much much faster but Samsung is notorious in "disabling" or blocking Android gesture compatibility when using 3rd-party launchers - this is well documented and hundreds of video evidences out there for you to see.
          A Moto Edge 30 is also an enticing choice. But with a small battery capacity and not very dependable history of slow updates are a le down. But do they push updates faster than Xiaomi or Poco? If it's a Yes for you then the Edge 30 may well be my next phone.

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            • 22 Aug 2022

            Gino76ph, 21 Aug 2022I'm even no split in half between the Poco F4 & th... moreSeems like for you, camera is the most important component. If you want pixel like quality, get a Pixel !!! This phone is performance focused & camera is the weakest link in the package. Yes, Gcam gets you better images. Even with stock, I haven't had the issues you mentioned - brown looks brown, blue looks blue etc. Never captured anything directly against the sun so no comments. F3 was never released in India, so never got hands on it, so no comment on that front as well.
            Xiaomi Leica camera app is good & adds some additional presets like 'Leica Natural, Vivid, B&W' but don't expect drastic improvement.
            In India, the difference between base variants on Nothing & F4 is more than 8k INR( > 100$) with additional cost of charger & considering Nothing is new & might not be able to do everything promised (Recall Nokia 9 pureview), I was not willing to put my bet on it. I would have preferred Samsung A52s(better camera + IP67 rating) or Moto 30 edge(Nearly identical cameras with less price) over Nothing.
            I was aware of shortcomings of F4 before I bought the phone & I was okay with it and that's why I went ahead with it. So far, it has satisfied my requirements.

              Anonymous, 21 Aug 2022Yes. Mostly point on. Minor corrections - 1. Focus hunting... moreI'm even no split in half between the Poco F4 & the Nothing Phone 1 all thanks to your comments. Lol.
              I do not mind the colours boosted slightly but not too much. When I say "natural-looking" i mean it should be the same colour as i see with my eyes e.g. reds should be reds, brown skin appears brown and not with this yellowish hue, blue sky does not appear light blue or overblown in the background when directly against the sun, etc.
              Re the security updates (again) do you expect Poco to push bi-monthly or quarterly security updates the very least? (when I had my F3 i had quarterly security updates).
              Re the dual speakers would you say the F4 sounds better than the F3? (GSM Arena rated the Nothing phone better than the F4 despite lacking Dolby Atmos)
              What GCam mods/versions would you recommend so I can get that Pixel-like photos quality, performance & stabilization? I also heard there is the Xiaomi Leica camera app but apparently there have been numerous bugs and issues .

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                Gino76ph, 21 Aug 2022Many Thanks for your reply. Based on every videos i'... moreYes. Mostly point on. Minor corrections -
                1. Focus hunting is noticeable in 4k capture but not with FHD 60/30 fps, so seems more of software issue (which can be fixed via some future update)
                2. Default camera tries to boost colors (& most people like it) but yes, not as natural as Iphone (if you prefer that way). The default photos algo will try to make photos more beautiful (& can't exactly turn it off). But I believe, except Samsung & Iphone, most manufactures do it. Even Samsung offers to do it (but it is optional).
                3. Nothing phone has run into a bunch hardware issues & you should check them out. Screen is most important component since you will use it more than any other stuff (speakers, camera, bluetooth etc). F4 has better screen in its competition range.
                4. Yes, more frequent security updates would have been good but you can't always get best of everything so you need to work with Better.
                Poco has better screen, most 5G bands supported, Good battery backup, faster charging, Great processor, no heating, great speakers, average camera (which can be better with Gcam), 2yrs promised OS updates, unofficial support may go beyond that & most importantly it has great feel in your hand (may be glass sandwich helps). FYI: it also provides charger, case & usb to 3.5mm converter in the box :)

                  Anonymous, 21 Aug 2022I have Indian variant which was made in India & as per ... moreMany Thanks for your reply.
                  Based on every videos i've seen there seem to have a consistent pro's & cons:
                  Pros: great day light photos, somewhat great audio mic pickup when recording video and nothing else
                  Cons: Non-stop focus hunting (main), skin tones are off (brown skin have a yellowish tint), dynamic range could be better, Low light (which as you said I can just use GCam for it)
                  Would those sound accurate to you?
                  The Nothing Phone 1 is the same £399 with the F4 but the company has promised (and has delivered so far) monthly security updates, new feature drops and many bug fixes since it's release just a few weeks ago. That is a major plus for me because it means the company is pro-active in listening to its customers and actioning issues as soon as possible. The only cons for the Nothing 1 is it has no Dolby Atmos support unlike the F4 (tho it scored "Very Good" vs "Good" for the F4) and there is still no way to hide apps (without installing a 3rd-party launcher) unlike the Poco launcher.
                  I think there is a way to de-bloat useless apps and limit ads on the F4 without connecting to a PC (as i'm not familiar anyway) but I just wish to "compensate" for those apps and ads Poco should be looking to monthly or bi-monthly security update as for me it is an important aspect of owning a phone. I can uninstall and disable those useless apps and limit ad to some settings or something.
                  Any other thoughts please?

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                    • 21 Aug 2022

                    Gino76ph, 19 Aug 2022I always think GCam is a hit and miss. Some developers are ... moreI have Indian variant which was made in India & as per the regional policy of POCO, we do not get any ads (their way of differentiating between poco & xiaomi devices). I found camera quality of stock camera app really good during daylight (I don't need to switch to Gcam). The portrait mode, the AI & HDR works smoothly. The videos captured (1080p 60fps) are great to watch. Occasional timelapse & slowmo are also satisfactory. Gcam is useful when light starts fading. I have tried Gcam fuse, BSG8.5 & LMC8.1. BSG is my preferred one since it is fast (& I tweak photos later using lightroom if needed). LMC has great deal of options(Leica, LDR, HDR+ etc) if you want complete control over camera but it kind of creates confusion if you don't know when to use what.
                    Yes, security updates is a pain point for some people. But poco never promised monthly updates, so can't complain. If you know how to debloat your phone using adb commands, you can remove most of default MIUI apps. I am getting good battery backup(32% left with 6+ SOT after 17+ hours since last charge), so I haven't done it. FYI : first custom rom was made available today so yes, seems like it will get some additional unofficial updates even after 3yrs (which is official end of support for the product). If you still have any doubts, there are two groups on Telegram - PocoF4Discussion & PocoF4Photography, you can get some better understanding (both positive & negative) there.

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                      • 20 Aug 2022

                      Anyone having issues with the speaker placement while playing or watching in landscape mode?

                      I'm planning to buy this phone but I want to get an idea regarding it.

                        Anonymous, 19 Aug 2022Not sure about the camera issues. I am not facing anything ... moreI always think GCam is a hit and miss. Some developers are great, other are not. Apart from BSG do you have a second choice developer for GCam? And i don't think GCam should be the magic bullet to get better camera photos on the F4. I would still prefer Poco updates its cameras. But in your opinion does the daylight, low light & videos are far better with GCam?
                        SO do you think if i install the Poco launcher from the Play Store the UX would be better than "stock" F4 launcher?
                        For me a quarterly security update is not good enough. We are in 2022 and security and privacy should be the utmost priority for phone makers. From a company that is based in China and a phone made in China I am not surprised. This is something i need to think about.
                        Also, re MIUI there are still ads in there. And there are some really unnecessary settings and options that should not be there that is why it may be smooth but underneath is clogged up and if too many memory is being used it battery life and performance will implode and affect the device in the long run.
                        Since launching a few weeks ago the Nothing Phone had 3 updates addressing issues directly given by users. And that alone is too good to ignore. That means the Nothing team is serious in its device.
                        But what do you think?
                        But what do you think?

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                          • 19 Aug 2022

                          Gino76ph, 16 Aug 2022I beg to differ. When I had my old Poco F3 for almost 9 mon... moreNot sure about the camera issues. I am not facing anything major related to camera (FYI : I mostly use gcam 8.5 by BSG & works great). Yes, I do miss the monthly security updates I used to receive with nokia 7 plus. But I am okay if security updates happen once a quarter. Apart from that, I installed poco 4.x beta launcher & it kind of made the whole experience better & smoother. Disabled MIUI optimization from developer options & now battery life has increased (7-8 hrs SOT) & ram management is also better. Yes, not that straight for average user to tweak things but can be done if you know where to find info.

                            Andre, 18 Aug 2022I can honestly say, you're seriously mentally challenged 😂You probably are. Have you done your research about the Poco F4?

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                              Gino76ph, 11 Aug 2022There's a reason why there are many people who are con... moreI can honestly say, you're seriously mentally challenged 😂

                                Anonymous, 16 Aug 2022when a company promises something, they usually do. Conside... moreI beg to differ. When I had my old Poco F3 for almost 9 months last year i probably only had one MIUI update if not only two. And the security update was also slow and scarce. received security updated every four months. In 2022, these figures are APPALLING.
                                So, would you say MIUI 13 is now better with Poco F4? And how about security updates?
                                And do we even know if we will ever get camera updates as there's just too many issues with them them at the moment.

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                                  • 16 Aug 2022

                                  should i get poco f4 or poco f3, i dont change my phone very often, so i plan on using the phone for a few years

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                                    • 16 Aug 2022

                                    Gino76ph, 11 Aug 2022There's a reason why there are many people who are con... morewhen a company promises something, they usually do. Considering it is sd 870 device, most people will replace it after 2-3 yrs. So principle of recurring customers says "if you keep your promise, your clients stay loyal to your brand."

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                                      Seahorn, 07 Aug 2022How's the display compared to galaxy s20 for video wat... moreOf course, Samsung has better display
                                      But the question is do you need such quality when 99.9% of people don't notice much about the difference?

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                                        • 16 Aug 2022

                                        Mint, 08 Aug 2022Hello guys, I want to upgrade my phone which is mi 9se. Sho... moreThat depends on what you are looking for.