Samsung reportedly working on 1-inch 50MP, 200, 320 and 440MP sensors

18 August 2023
None of which may actually be used by Samsung itself, though.

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  • 03 Sep 2023

They could probably make a phone even better than the s23 ultra with no budget just ridiculous hardware like these 440mp cameras

    Anonymous, 20 Aug 2023Still debating over this? Show me a full size sensor with t... moreTHIS! That is why Xiaomi, Oppo, and Vivo have gone for 1" instead of 200MP on their premium flagship phones. At the end of the day, larger sensors still win the day. You can easily play around with the resolution with various downscaling or upscaling software algorithms, but not with camera sensor size as it always get fixed forever.

      Anonymous, 19 Aug 2023How knowledgeable is your friend regarding photography?Professional event photographer. You're not dealing with a turkey anyway. 🤭

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        • 21 Aug 2023

        IpsDisplay, 20 Aug 2023Smartphone photography is essentially Photoshop anyways ... moreWhat is there to understand if there are loads of people who only ever have seen only digital cameras in there lives and have never had to use a camera with a film in it. Well not even a mirror camera that also went digital to lose the film and have photos saved on a sd card

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          • 21 Aug 2023

          Anonymous, 18 Aug 2023They need to make their s series ultra a bit more large nea... moreYou need to cut your fingers shorter if the phones are too small for you and you need 10 inch tablet for your phone

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            • 21 Aug 2023

            Anonymous, 21 Aug 20231. Pixel size has nothing to do with blur, it's all fo... morei can agree saying more higher than 200mp to like 320mp seems there wont noticable improvement
            but i wouldnt say all gimmick

            do you can prove it, using latest isp and few years old smartphone camera sensor capturing/producing image as good as now ?

            software ai and isp play big role in smartphone camera, but still latest smartphone sensor is also improving

            beside in smartphone form factor, its really limited for what they can do to improve the image quality

              Anonymous, 21 Aug 20231. Pixel size has nothing to do with blur, it's all fo... more1. Yes, point accepted.

              2. Agreed. But they do have some sort of full resolution modes which improve detail by a noteable margin. This was very bad in some yesteryear phones, nowthey've improved it significantly, still noisy though.
              But yes, I have to say.. The tradeoff is not worth it. We get huge 25 MegaByte jpg files which haave rubbish detail (on per pixel level).

              3. As the 200MP and 320MP and further variants come, we might see more and more capable zoom levels. How well they will work on such a peculiar sensor remains to be seen..

              And yes, I totally agree with your conclusion. This high MP/xx-bayer is an unnecessary trend and desperately needs to go. People will never know what quality is unless the shift happens.

              Probably, Google wants to steer away from competing against the camera industry.
              Google did a similar move with the audio industry too, starting Android 10 they banned hardware level decoding of audio, and associated formats on Android phones. To protect dedicated audio devices, I guess?

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                • 21 Aug 2023

                Fredwinia, 20 Aug 2023My phone has 4 camera lenses. Always use main. Never used t... moreI often use x10 tele on my S23U. For animals, mountains, small details of buildings, etc.

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                  • 21 Aug 2023

                  Sam N8 808 owner, 20 Aug 2023I'm myself a pro photographer. If we keep huge pixels,... more1. Pixel size has nothing to do with blur, it's all focal ratio.

                  2. But you're getting only 12mp out of 200mp. It's hexadeca Bayer. So there's no more detail than an RGB 12mp sensor.

                  3. Anything beyond 2x zoom in good lighting isn't lossless and is unusable using multi Bayer sensor and no phones do it anyway. It's due to: a. Colour resolution is only 12mp and b. tiny pixels restricts it to well lit conditions only. 808 Pureview could do 4x because of 1.4 micron RGB pixels.

                  Full frame camera's each of 61 million pixels are big and real. In today's phones, each fake pixels are made of 4, 9 or even 16 real but tiny pixels. This approach has no benefits other than marketing lots of megapixel numbers and bragging about poor quality 8k videos with only 4k colour resolution.

                  In conclusion, smartphone industry is all about gimmick, especially in cameras.

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                    • 21 Aug 2023

                    Anonymous, 20 Aug 2023Didn't you know that you can capture photos at full re... moreWith only 12mp of true colour resolution, rest are only remosaicing guesswork. And such tiny pixels make full resolution unusable anyway

                      Anonymous, 20 Aug 2023Then you don't understand what you're talking abo... moreCome on now don't get cheap

                      I gave points to my Reasoning/logic

                      Now do the same and present points that are against mine

                      Don't just say I don't know what I'm talking about WITHOUT SHOWING me .. articulate yourself better than that man

                      "Hey ipsdisplay your incorrect about cameras because your assuming that computational photography does X when in fact it does Y"

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                        • 20 Aug 2023

                        IpsDisplay, 20 Aug 2023Smartphone photography is essentially Photoshop anyways ... moreThen you don't understand what you're talking about here

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                          • 20 Aug 2023

                          Anonymous, 20 Aug 202350mp or 200mp they're both trash and output only 12mp.... moreThey have one benefit. Better framing with hdr

                            My phone has 4 camera lenses. Always use main. Never used the other lenses. Just useless. Same with 99 percent of ppl.

                            I also do not care making pictures of the moon. :)))

                            And I do not care about viewing angles because I never view my phone in an angle.

                            Fast or slow processors...no idea. They all work is it not?

                            Battery l8fe is important though and fast charging.

                              kevinmcmurtrie, 20 Aug 2023A small 440 mpix sensor is going to essentially be a GIF ge... moreSmartphone photography is essentially Photoshop anyways

                              Comparing to full cameras doesn't make any sense

                              Because computational photography literally takes an image that doesn't exist

                              Stitches a bunch of them together and calls it a day

                              I honestly don't understand how people don't understand this difference

                                Anonymous, 20 Aug 2023Still debating over this? Show me a full size sensor with t... moreI'm myself a pro photographer. If we keep huge pixels, we also need to work on the following factors:-
                                1. Big pixels means huge background blur. Its generally a good thing, but hey, often with an aperture of F1.7 in a phone, this will be a big problem. Smartphone cams are general purpose cams which should work ok, they're not inherently artstic.
                                2. Details are lesser with same sensor+bigger pixels in general.
                                3. More lossless zoom is possible in smaller pixels.

                                But, in conclusion, you guys are all right.
                                We should've reached a base pixel size of 2um already. This megapixel & quad/nona bayer craze is all nonsense. I prefer big pixels anyday.

                                And I invite you to think- why have almost all the mainstream Full frame DSLR's stopped at 61 megapixels, while phones go on to 200? Now you get my point.

                                  Anonymous, 20 Aug 202350mp or 200mp they're both trash and output only 12mp.... moreSorry to let you down. Most of the sensors used in Mirorless or DSLRs are bayer type.
                                  Let's take sony e.g. https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/surprise-the-sony-a7siii-actually-has-a-48-megapixel-quad-bayer-sensor/, https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-a7r-iii/sony-a7r-iiiA7.HTM, etc. Color information is just interpolated from surrounding pixels. But as sensors in smartphones are smaller, then for the quality sake, information is not interpolated, but rather used 1:1. The only not Bayer type was Fuji ones, but it was a very long time ago.

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                                    • 20 Aug 2023

                                    Anonymous, 20 Aug 202350mp or 200mp they're both trash and output only 12mp.... moreDidn't you know that you can capture photos at full resolutions?

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                                      • 20 Aug 2023

                                      Anonymous, 19 Aug 2023Because high numbers look good on paper and average Joe wil... more50mp or 200mp they're both trash and output only 12mp. No need to defend 50mp quad Bayer over 200mp hexadeca Bayer. This whole multi-Bayer system needs to die. Last good camera phone was Sharp R6 which had 1" sensor and produced sensible, real 20mp photos directly, without any quad Bayer nonsense. Did you ever see any professional camera with quad Bayer, nona Bayer etc? Why didn't you? Because it's gimmick. Professionals will pay for something functional rather than gimmicky.

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                                        • 20 Aug 2023

                                        Still debating over this? Show me a full size sensor with this much high resolution. If there's none, why do you think they put it in phones? Because professionals and enthusiasts are knowledgeable people who buy ful size sensor and will never buy into this nonsense, but smartphone buyers are ignorant and will.

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